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moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd bet i could kick your ass. :p
<----female

Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
This is a subject that has been eating at me every since I found out that women could vote...

women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, right OP?

I doubt it.

do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?
 

Turin39789

Lifer
Nov 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd bet i could kick your ass. :p
<----female

Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
This is a subject that has been eating at me every since I found out that women could vote...

women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, right OP?

I doubt it.

do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

they are irrational and prone to mood swings.
 

Rocks7ar

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Sep 30, 2007
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No, I fully support their right to vote. That was a joke intended to give the readers a giggle.
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd bet i could kick your ass. :p
<----female

Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
This is a subject that has been eating at me every since I found out that women could vote...

women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, right OP?

I doubt it.

do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

they are irrational and prone to mood swings.
i've read your posts. i think you fall into that category plenty. :p
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
61,504
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Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
No, I fully support their right to vote. That was a joke intended to give the readers a giggle.
funny.
was your entire post a joke?
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
What do you guys think?

i fully support woman in combat roles. their blood is "equal" in my eyes, it can be spilled equally to men's blood

The one probalem I have for all major movements is that the focus always shifts from equality to speciality. This isn't limited merely to women's rights. But almost every equality movement makes a shift from a focus on making two groups equal, to giving that particular group special positions and statuses. It almost tips the scale in the opposite direction.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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title 9 is a bit messed up. not acknowledging the mens sports for bringing in the funding is simply unfair.

though personally i'd rather if college sports didn't exist at all:p i'd rather it all be private corporate led activity. leave the schools to do teaching instead of being training grounds for commercial sports. would also force sports to sink and swim based on commercial merit.

the other messed up area...women going for equality only when it suits them.
look at divorce... paul mccartney and the one legged hooker for instance?
 

Turin39789

Lifer
Nov 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd bet i could kick your ass. :p
<----female

Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
This is a subject that has been eating at me every since I found out that women could vote...

women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, right OP?

I doubt it.

do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

they are irrational and prone to mood swings.
i've read your posts. i think you fall into that category plenty. :p

Damn your smiley face! It defeats my irrational rage!
 

Rocks7ar

Member
Sep 30, 2007
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Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
What do you guys think?

i fully support woman in combat roles. their blood is "equal" in my eyes, it can be spilled equally to men's blood

The one probalem I have for all major movements is that the focus always shifts from equality to speciality. This isn't limited merely to women's rights. But almost every equality movement makes a shift from a focus on making two groups equal, to giving that particular group special positions and statuses. It almost tips the scale in the opposite direction.

That was one of the points I was trying to convey but failed miserably...
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd bet i could kick your ass. :p
<----female

Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
This is a subject that has been eating at me every since I found out that women could vote...

women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, right OP?

damn right!


heh saying that i stay home and my wife works LOL.


Anyway i bet my wife could kick his ass also. she is strong, rough and fights dirty!


i remember a article that said women are actually better in warfare then men. they are cold, vicious and mor ewilling to do what needs done. the only drawback is endurance and strength.

anyway this is just another flamefest thread.
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd bet i could kick your ass. :p
<----female

Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
This is a subject that has been eating at me every since I found out that women could vote...

women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, right OP?

I doubt it.

do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

they are irrational and prone to mood swings.
i've read your posts. i think you fall into that category plenty. :p

Damn your smiley face! It defeats my irrational rage!
:thumbsup: :laugh:
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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1. At most colleges (i.e. not NCAA Division I), sports are not profitable. Even football and basketball lose money at many schools (including mine, where students could go to the games for free and no one else really wanted to go to the games). Sports are PRIMARILY an extracurricular activity, and secondarily a profitable enterprise.

2. Women aren't allowed to serve in combat, are they? In our current war there are no real front lines so the line is blurred between combat jobs and non-combat jobs, but I believe they do their best to keep women out of combat.
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
What do you guys think?

i fully support woman in combat roles. their blood is "equal" in my eyes, it can be spilled equally to men's blood

The one probalem I have for all major movements is that the focus always shifts from equality to speciality. This isn't limited merely to women's rights. But almost every equality movement makes a shift from a focus on making two groups equal, to giving that particular group special positions and statuses. It almost tips the scale in the opposite direction.

That was one of the points I was trying to convey but failed miserably...

For what its worth, I agree with the majority of the info you provided OP. But then again, I haven't got anything shoved up my ass. I thought it was a good read. Don't know why everyone is getting their G-strings in a wad.
 

FoBoT

No Lifer
Apr 30, 2001
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fobot.com
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
What do you guys think?

i fully support woman in combat roles. their blood is "equal" in my eyes, it can be spilled equally to men's blood

The one probalem I have for all major movements is that the focus always shifts from equality to speciality. This isn't limited merely to women's rights. But almost every equality movement makes a shift from a focus on making two groups equal, to giving that particular group special positions and statuses. It almost tips the scale in the opposite direction.

i agree

as far as i know, males and females are equal. but maybe i don't have all the facts. er, well except our bodies have different parts. see my sig

if woman really want to be the same, they'll need to get prostate gland implants
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: mugs
1. At most colleges (i.e. not NCAA Division I), sports are not profitable. Even football and basketball lose money at many schools (including mine, where students could go to the games for free and no one else really wanted to go to the games). Sports are PRIMARILY an extracurricular activity, and secondarily a profitable enterprise.

2. Women aren't allowed to serve in combat, are they? In our current war there are no real front lines so the line is blurred between combat jobs and non-combat jobs, but I believe they do their best to keep women out of combat.

i do beleive some pilots are on the front line. seem to remember a female A10 pilot that got the crap shot out of her plane and still made it back.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
I am not a misogynist, I just get on rants and really don't worry about how my opinion is received, it is an opinion.

Um, what? :confused:

Your opinion is what makes you a misogynist.
 

Cuda1447

Lifer
Jul 26, 2002
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Although I agree teh OP is a dumbass, I do have to agree with him about sports in Universities. In many cases rather than raising money for womens sports, mens sports are just cut. He has a legitimate point about it being a business.

I'll give you an example Ive experienced in high school. I was on the wrestling team. There were a few girls who wanted to wrestle. They joined, no problems really. Everyone was supportive of them etc. However, I do feel it is a bit unfair for a male to have to wrestle against a female. I've done it on more than one occasion and its a very odd role to be in. First, I didn't feel comfortable 'man-handling' a woman. Second, I didn't feel comfortable at all touching said woman in ways that are required when competing against other guys. If you've never wrestled competitively I don't think you'll understand, but if you have I'm sure you do. Third, EVERYONE is cheering for the girl. If the guy wins, big deal. If the girl wins that guy will be ridiculed and taunted for so long. That's really the least of the problems. The 2nd point is the biggest one.


Point of this story though. The girls were allowed to wrestle because they did not have a girls team available to them. Fine, I can live with that. Myself and one other guy one year decided we wanted to play volleyball. (This was legitimate, I had torn my ACL and the wrestling pressures were to hard on it. Volleyball was something my knee could handle.) There was no male volleyball team available, but there was a females. We weren't allowed to join though.


Why not? Women could play all the womens sports, plus the men's football and wrestling sports. Men had basketball, soccer, baseball. No women ever played on those. Women had Soccer, basketball and softball. Some equivalents. For the mens wrestling women had volleyball. But they could also wrestle. And women didn't have a footbal equivalent, but they were allowed to play football. They also had cheerleading.


So I ask you, how is that fair?
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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Don't forget, because women must be able to endure pregnancy, they naturally have a higher tolerance for pain.

From what I have heard, it's the men who cry while they bleed while the women take it more calmly.

So I could easily imagine some butch, feminist, lesbian soldier covering my back, fully capable of enduring more pain, and blowing the head off of some terrorist.

But this latest war in Iraq will have a lot of repercussions for women in the military. A lot will be learned, so we?ll see.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Although I agree teh OP is a dumbass, I do have to agree with him about sports in Universities. In many cases rather than raising money for womens sports, mens sports are just cut. He has a legitimate point about it being a business.

I'll give you an example Ive experienced in high school. I was on the wrestling team. There were a few girls who wanted to wrestle. They joined, no problems really. Everyone was supportive of them etc. However, I do feel it is a bit unfair for a male to have to wrestle against a female. I've done it on more than one occasion and its a very odd role to be in. First, I didn't feel comfortable 'man-handling' a woman. Second, I didn't feel comfortable at all touching said woman in ways that are required when competing against other guys. If you've never wrestled competitively I don't think you'll understand, but if you have I'm sure you do. Third, EVERYONE is cheering for the girl. If the guy wins, big deal. If the girl wins that guy will be ridiculed and taunted for so long. That's really the least of the problems. The 2nd point is the biggest one.


Point of this story though. The girls were allowed to wrestle because they did not have a girls team available to them. Fine, I can live with that. Myself and one other guy one year decided we wanted to play volleyball. (This was legitimate, I had torn my ACL and the wrestling pressures were to hard on it. Volleyball was something my knee could handle.) There was no male volleyball team available, but there was a females. We weren't allowed to join though.


Why not? Women could play all the womens sports, plus the men's football and wrestling sports. Men had basketball, soccer, baseball. No women ever played on those. Women had Soccer, basketball and softball. Some equivalents. For the mens wrestling women had volleyball. But they could also wrestle. And women didn't have a footbal equivalent, but they were allowed to play football. They also had cheerleading.


So I ask you, how is that fair?

Unlike the females, you didn't push it hard enough to play on a female team that didn't have a male equivalent. There are plenty of towns and stories of males playing on a women's volleyball, field hockey and cheerleading teams.
 

Rocks7ar

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We are not at war, we are playing a game of fucking tag. I still can't get over how we are not "allowed" to shoot at a Mosque.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: Rocks7ar
We are not at war, we are playing a game of fucking tag. I still can't get over how we are not "allowed" to shoot at a Mosque.

Logout and don't come back. Thanks.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Although I agree teh OP is a dumbass, I do have to agree with him about sports in Universities. In many cases rather than raising money for womens sports, mens sports are just cut. He has a legitimate point about it being a business.

I'll give you an example Ive experienced in high school. I was on the wrestling team. There were a few girls who wanted to wrestle. They joined, no problems really. Everyone was supportive of them etc. However, I do feel it is a bit unfair for a male to have to wrestle against a female. I've done it on more than one occasion and its a very odd role to be in. First, I didn't feel comfortable 'man-handling' a woman. Second, I didn't feel comfortable at all touching said woman in ways that are required when competing against other guys. If you've never wrestled competitively I don't think you'll understand, but if you have I'm sure you do. Third, EVERYONE is cheering for the girl. If the guy wins, big deal. If the girl wins that guy will be ridiculed and taunted for so long. That's really the least of the problems. The 2nd point is the biggest one.


Point of this story though. The girls were allowed to wrestle because they did not have a girls team available to them. Fine, I can live with that. Myself and one other guy one year decided we wanted to play volleyball. (This was legitimate, I had torn my ACL and the wrestling pressures were to hard on it. Volleyball was something my knee could handle.) There was no male volleyball team available, but there was a females. We weren't allowed to join though.


Why not? Women could play all the womens sports, plus the men's football and wrestling sports. Men had basketball, soccer, baseball. No women ever played on those. Women had Soccer, basketball and softball. Some equivalents. For the mens wrestling women had volleyball. But they could also wrestle. And women didn't have a footbal equivalent, but they were allowed to play football. They also had cheerleading.


So I ask you, how is that fair?

yeap. been in that situation more then once myself.

in highschool i had to wrestle a girl. i was so afraid of grabbing a boob/crotch that i was loseing. She knew damn well that guys would be worried about it so when you grabed her chest she waould say something in the match.

finally my coach reamed me out and told me to forget she is a girl. then i went out an d kicked her ass.

but she had a impressive win loss ratio even though she had little skill.


Also its unfair that they can join the male teams but you can't join the female teams.

 

SacrosanctFiend

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Oct 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Don't forget, because women must be able to endure pregnancy, they naturally have a higher tolerance for pain.

From what I have heard, it's the men who cry while they bleed while the women take it more calmly.

So I could easily imagine some butch, feminist, lesbian soldier covering my back, fully capable of enduring more pain, and blowing the head off of some terrorist.

But this latest war in Iraq will have a lot of repercussions for women in the military. A lot will be learned, so we?ll see.

That's actually incorrect. Men have a higher threshold for pain.