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Saga

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Huh. I didn't know the LS9 used a twinscrew turbo as opposed to a rotary.
 

996GT2

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Nice pics

How about some pictures of Honda's legendary 4-bangers like the B18C5 and F20C also?
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: Saga
Huh. I didn't know the LS9 used a twinscrew turbo as opposed to a rotary.

It's a positive displacement (roots type) supercharger. The marketing material will deny it, but it is very much a modified roots type with 4 lobes as opposed the conventional two which should give it higher efficiency since Roots type have never been known for their efficiency at anymore than lowish psi.
The most legendary engine of all time: The Porsche Aircooled Flat 6

 

LordMorpheus

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Originally posted by: CptCrunch
loved the LS9 shots, and the 335i made me want one even more

The 335 uses a twin-turbo V6, right? I think the inline 6 in the article is previous-generation M3.

Not sure about where the inline 6 is from, but I'd put money on it not being the 335.

Nope, I'm totally wrong.

I don't know why, but I could have sworn the 335 used a V configuration, not an inline setup.
 

exdeath

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Hey what do you know, those euro engines have the same stuff as every other engine on the planet. I expected some exotic crap from an alien planet the way people talk about "technology".
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Saga
Huh. I didn't know the LS9 used a twinscrew turbo as opposed to a rotary.
wat's a twinscrew turbo?

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Saga
Huh. I didn't know the LS9 used a twinscrew turbo as opposed to a rotary.

It's a positive displacement (roots type) supercharger. The marketing material will deny it, but it is very much a modified roots type with 4 lobes as opposed the conventional two which should give it higher efficiency since Roots type have never been known for their efficiency at anymore than lowish psi.
The most legendary engine of all time: The Porsche Aircooled Flat 6
I'm probably wrong, it just looks an awful lot like a Whipple supercharger when everything is taken apart.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: Saga
Huh. I didn't know the LS9 used a twinscrew turbo as opposed to a rotary.
wat's a twinscrew turbo?

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Saga
Huh. I didn't know the LS9 used a twinscrew turbo as opposed to a rotary.

It's a positive displacement (roots type) supercharger. The marketing material will deny it, but it is very much a modified roots type with 4 lobes as opposed the conventional two which should give it higher efficiency since Roots type have never been known for their efficiency at anymore than lowish psi.
The most legendary engine of all time: The Porsche Aircooled Flat 6
I'm probably wrong, it just looks an awful lot like a Whipple supercharger when everything is taken apart.

It's actually a twisted roots.

http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/...chargers/TVS/index.htm

With a whipple the sides are different shapes.
http://www.whipplesupercharger.../content.asp?PageID=67
 

StageLeft

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Man I hope they have the drawings to put that back together (any of them).

The RC engine is so simple it seems surprising it even works.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

It's actually a twisted roots.

http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/...chargers/TVS/index.htm

With a whipple the sides are different shapes.
http://www.whipplesupercharger.../content.asp?PageID=67

Out of curiosity, is it functionally any different?

Also, was this sort of a rip off of Whipple to not have to pay royalty fees, or did someone else come up with it first?

The twisted roots works exactly the same as a normal roots, the twist and extra lobes just add to the smoothness and efficiency. The whipple compresses the air inside the supercharger itself. I can't really explain it well, but if someone can it'll make a lot more sense.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

It's actually a twisted roots.

http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/...chargers/TVS/index.htm

With a whipple the sides are different shapes.
http://www.whipplesupercharger.../content.asp?PageID=67

Out of curiosity, is it functionally any different?

Also, was this sort of a rip off of Whipple to not have to pay royalty fees, or did someone else come up with it first?

It's not the same at all.

The helical twist is an improvement in roots style blower efficiency by attempting to keep the rotors overlapped as much as possible so there isn't a gap. If the rotors were perfectly straight, there would be a open gap running the length of the entire rotor housing between atmospheric air and compressed air just after a set of lobes pass each other but before the next set of lobes came together. What makes roots blowers inefficient is that they don't actually compress the air. A roots blower works like a fan in that the intake air is compressed by layering it in the lower intake faster than the engine can consume it. The blower rotors and lower intake are not sealed by any means, so at a certain high enough boost vs rotor rpm, there is nothing stopping already compressed air from trying to depressurize back into the rotor housing and being recirculated and re compressed, thus heating the same air over and over again. Twisting the rotors helps with this a little bit by keeping the rotors overlapped as much as possible and minimizing gap exposure between atmospheric and compressed air.

A twin screw blower actually compresses the air in between the screws themselves. In a screw blower the screw shaped rotors actually come together close enough to trap air (rather than just act like fan blades like roots style rotors). The screws are tapered so the volume decreases axially as the pockets of air trapped between them move along from intake to discharge. The compression ratio inside the blower screws is always greater than the boost in the manifold, thus the pressure at the discharge port is always higher than that of the manifold (no recirculation), promoting one way flow and higher efficiency. Naturally the machining precision required for this is far far more complex and more expensive than a roots blower (air tight almost/barely touching metal spinning up to 20,000 RPM).

Coincidentally, each revolution of the screws past the discharge port results in a "pop" as the compressed air trapped between the rotors decompresses into the intake manifold. This pop occurring 10,000-20,000 times per second with the screw revolutions is what generates the characteristic whine of a twin screw blower.