Engadget: AMD to demo "Zacate" next week.

[Nemesis 1]

Ok I went and looked. If you will please notice. That on the 1940 score it ask you to go to next mode. Than he does . Notice it doesn't ask to go to next mode . Now go back to zacata score. Notice it ask you to go to next mode its hard to see on the one I looked at but it there . So the 1940 score was the correct test.

 

[busydude]

Zacata is not a competor to SB in any form what so ever . Oak trail is its comp. I would like to tell you a little about Oak but its not permitted . It also has very good gpu . Comparring to I5 is just a show . Oak trail also comes with differant numbers of gpu cores and it scales very well. Thats it all I can say.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

I understand that Oak Trail is not publicly available yet. They are comparing with i5 because the hardware is available right now. They cannot pit their processors against an unreleased one.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Oh heavens no! Some software is actually optimized for AMD instead of the notoriously intel optimized software rampant across the industry! Whatever shall we do!

Nothing its OK by me . Intel has the compilers to basicly do as they please . Your missing the point . AMD cheated on 2 of 3 test. I think its 3of 3 . I trust my judgement in these things more than any others, Trueth is I believe everyone was expecting morefrom AMD . Intel is tile based Tegra is tile based Imagination tech is tile based . Is zacata tile based .

 

[Idontcare]

Oh heavens no! Some software is actually optimized for AMD instead of the notoriously intel optimized software rampant across the industry! Whatever shall we do!

^ +1

The man makes a good point.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

I understand that Oak Trail is not publicly available yet. They are comparing with i5 because the hardware is available right now. They cannot pit their processors against an unreleased one.

correction...they cannot put their unreleased processors against an unreleased one.

Until Zacate is in Anand's hands we are all going to be mushrooms, same with Sandy Bridge.

 

[busydude]

Ok I went and looked. If you will please notice. That on the 1940 score it ask you to go to next mode. Than he does . Notice it doesn't ask to go to next mode . Now go back to zacata score. Notice it ask you to go to next mode its hard to see on the one I looked at but it there . So the 1940 score was the correct test.

Lol, you are right.

Shame on AMD and thanks for being patient with me.

The test starts the same on both systems. WTH.

EDIT: I am going to install IE9 in my Macbook and brb.

I got a score of 1764 on a C2D+GMA X3100

Hallucinogenic test is is a totally different one, not to be considered.

 

[Nemesis 1]

^ Ya it happens that way for me 95% of the time . Sometimes its a burden sometimes it pays off big time on investments . The only time I ever lost I followed a brokers advice . The first and last time I listened to others advice.

 

[busydude]

Until Zacate is in Anand's hands we are all going to be mushrooms, same with Sandy Bridge.

Point taken. Quietly goes into the shower and..

 

[Idontcare]

lol

 

[Nemesis 1]

We’re also working with Paragon Studios on City of Heroes: Going Rogue, its latest MMORPG title available later this summer, to optimize play for ATI Radeon™ graphics. Lastly, Blacklight: Tango Down, the latest online multiplayer shooter for PCs, was released by Ignition Entertainment last week and is optimized for ATI Radeon hardware.

At AMD we’re not just focused on ushering in new innovations like ATI Eyefinity technology that take gaming to the next level, we’re also committed to supporting new game titles at the technical level and providing additional resources to help developers bring new titles to market.

Stay tuned for more updates, but in the meantime, let me know about your experience at Comic-Con if you happened to go.

Ya when AMD shows something decent wake me .
As all are aware I am a hugh fan of ATI. So its not bios. This is a sad sad thing AMD tried to pull off.

 

[piesquared]

You feel comfortable wandering so far out on that limb?

 

[cbn]

Zacata is not a competor to SB in any form what so ever . Oak trail is its comp.
I would like to tell you a little about Oak but its not permitted. It also has very good gpu . Comparring to I5 is just a show . Oak trail also comes with differant numbers of gpu cores and it scales very well. Thats it all I can say.

Sounds interesting. I can't wait to read all the upcoming comparisons and analysis (especially now with GPUs serving more utilitarian roles in the operation of a computer).

 

[IntelUser2000]

LOL Nemesis. Oak Trail is a really low power platform that will only trail Moorestown but the GMA 600 GPU is merely a higher clocked version of the GMA500 on Menlow.

Perhaps the media part is slightly more capable, but the 3D performance is not very good by the standards we know. The GPU is clocked up to 100% higher but the original GMA 500 got 15 fps or so running everything low even on a really old game like Warcraft III.

It might cross Ontario on certain segments but I doubt it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Hi Bob got here early this morning . We loaded everthing that AT showed us and than what was redone by AT. Using sandy . with 1 EU the results are almost 100% in reverse of ATs update . I wanted to show you guys all the numbers but Bob won't allow . He says its a betrayel to do . So I guess you guys can take your shots at me . I own everthing I have and will wager all of it . THat our numbers are 100% correct . running a cpu thats up to date makes hugh differance. We did have problems with the direct compute . Well see if intel can fix that problem or not .

 

[Nemesis 1]

LOL Nemesis. Oak Trail is a really low power platform that will only trail Moorestown but the GMA 600 GPU is merely a higher clocked version of the GMA500 on Menlow.

Perhaps the media part is slightly more capable, but the 3D performance is not very good by the standards we know. The GPU is clocked up to 100% higher but the original GMA 500 got 15 fps or so running everything low even on a really old game like Warcraft III.

It might cross Ontario on certain segments but I doubt it.

Is that a fact . I think not.

 

[Vette73]

Hi Bob got here early this morning . We loaded everthing that AT showed us and than what was redone by AT. Using sandy . with 1 EU the results are almost 100% in reverse of ATs update . I wanted to show you guys all the numbers but Bob won't allow . He says its a betrayel to do . So I guess you guys can take your shots at me . I own everthing I have and will wager all of it . THat our numbers are 100% correct . running a cpu thats up to date makes hugh differance. We did have problems with the direct compute . Well see if intel can fix that problem or not .

WTF are you talking about.

That and AT has a update on their front page.

 

[Dravic]

A little controversy over the benchmark:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4551250#post4551250

Psychedelic

HD5850: 1799
i3-530: 1940
HD4850: 1779
GTX460: 1996

This is a 2D benchmark.

Looks like Anand got full access to the two machines for some independent testing.

The Psychedelic benchmark looked to be hampered by terrible OEM drivers, and required a forced driver install to even show the true performance of the i5. That sucks for anyone with that OEMs notebooks.

But the good news is apparently the gaming benchmarks were valid, and they even added an additional benchmark.


Looks pretty good for a 18w Zacate

 

[busydude]

Looks like Anand got full access to the two machines for some independent testing.

Yup. Thanks Anand for clearing that up.

AMD views Fusion as a way to not only bring better gaming performance to the market, but also enable a lot of new GPU compute applications. Remember that Zacate and Ontario are going into systems priced at around $500 or less. With this type of GPU compute in the entry level, it’s only a matter of time before developers start to do something with it.

The Zacate GPU performance we’re seeing here today is completely unoptimized as well. The clocks aren’t final, drivers aren’t fine tuned and although we’re close to release, there’s still potentially more performance on the table.

It’s very rare for any public company to make an on the spot decision to let us benchmark and publish test data of an unreleased part without having ever seen it before. The first time the AMDers in the suite saw Zacate running Batman was when we installed it. To be honest, it was probably the most open and flexible I’ve ever seen AMD be. I knew if the IE9 numbers changed that it would call the City of Heroes numbers into question. By allowing us to rerun everything as well as add an additional title (one that we’ve used more recently) AMD handled the situation perfectly.

At the end of the day my take on Zacate (and Ontario) hasn’t changed: these two APUs have the potential to make the low end netbook/notebook market interesting again.

 

[Dravic]

Ya when AMD shows something decent wake me .
As all are aware I am a hugh fan of ATI. So its not bios. This is a sad sad thing AMD tried to pull off.

I'm assuming you've seen the update. Doesn't appear to have been AMD's doing at all (can't blame them for using the latest drivers available for a manufacture from their own website can you??), and the gaming benchmarks still held up.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I did not seethe same results at all . The header was Zacata 2x intels I5 performance . I didn't see that in the update.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The Zacate GPU performance we’re seeing here today is completely unoptimized as well. The clocks aren’t final, drivers aren’t fine tuned and although we’re close to release, there’s still potentially more performance on the table.

Be careful here . Your taking the part above out of context CoH is optimized for ati gpus

 

[Nemesis 1]

I'm assuming you've seen the update. Doesn't appear to have been AMD's doing at all (can't blame them for using the latest drivers available for a manufacture from their own website can you??), and the gaming benchmarks still held up.

Well It may or may not be honest mistake . If these people worked for me they be out of work today . Not impressed with ignorances as a excuse

 

[busydude]

Be careful here . Your taking the part above out of context CoH is optimized for ati gpus

Those are not my words. I quoted the article Anand posted few hours ago.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Be careful here . Your taking the part above out of context CoH is optimized for ati gpus

What about Batman: AA?

 

[Nemesis 1]

WTF are you talking about.

That and AT has a update on their front page.

what part don't you get. I say clearly AT updated I say clearly we ran same test with SB . I say clearly the results for 1 eu is 100% opposite of ATs update using sandy 1eu. The only problem we has was direct compute

 

[Nemesis 1]

What about Batman: AA?

What about it . I can't say right now I don't have the I5 in a set up at this time . But I am pretty sure AT got that correct for that part . Everthing else using SB is as I said 100% opposite