Engadget: AMD to demo "Zacate" next week.

[Nemesis 1]

But you could look at ATs results in the SB article . It was very smart of anand to download and run this . It kinda puts things into true perspective which many here want But some don't . The truth shall set you free.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Whats up guys cat got your tongue . The topic has view counter ya know.

 

[Riek]

Dude I believe everyone thinks you are really anoying and a flamer, not because your opinion but because of a) your attitude, b) your e-penis about some guy named bob and 3) you continiously keep changing topic so it fits your scene.

Besides that, as you can see how anandtech tested, the SB test was done with LOWEST settings, the run on zacate and i5 was done on LOW settings. e.g. not interchangeable.
Also note you are comparing a high power chip with lots of bandwith (Zacate 64bit wide memory path), 5-6 times the power consumption and couple times the size. Lets wait and see what SB does and what they will bring to the MID-end mobile platform (DOUBLE the power of Zacate). Again SB will not be a compititor vor zacate for a long time, and when it does llano will be out to reverse the gpu situation for midend-high end mobile stations)

 

[Nemesis 1]

What you don't think I seen low quality Vs. High quality . We tested in High quality. We used 1 eu. We have the average frames per second. Well I won't be baited because its I who gets the points given in such cases . I have remained on topic and have only been true and honest . It doesn't surprize me that you would say these things . Sometimes truth hurts but only liars does it hurt. I feel real well all things considered .
You come in here with 11 post and think you can match up to me . Your a dreamer and a product of the present education system . Now stay on topic.

No were did I say SB was 2.5 x faster than zacata. I said the results were 100% opposite the results posted using SB. 1eu.

 

[Riek]

What you don't think I seen low quality Vs. High quality . We tested in High quality. We used 1 eu. We have the average frames per second. Well I won't be baited because its I who gets the points given in such cases . I have remained on topic and have only been true and honest . It doesn't surprize me that you would say these things . Sometimes truth hurts but only liars does it hurt. I feel real well all things considered .
You come in here with 11 post and think you can match up to me . Your a dreamer and a product of the present education system . Now stay on topic.

Again

Topic = Zacate

Zacate competitors are: high class Atom and at best ULVC parts (albeit depends on the pricing of zacate)

SB is neither.
SB lowest bin 35W.
ULVC expected over 1year. so not relevant what it performs in the desktop area in this topic.

your personal remarks, for which you have not even the slightest clue, are way off base. This should probably ring a bell why people don't reply anymore.

 

[IntelUser2000]

There's too much uncertainty regarding the Sandy Bridge benchmark. Not only that, having 12EUs instead won't increase results by 2x. Guess the overhaul of other parts could contribute to the EUs affecting more than before but getting 2x the performance with 2x EUs would mean its entirely limited by the EUs.

The Zacate results look very good. I'm impressed they got that in such package, process, and power. The performance they are playing with aren't affected much by CPU anyway, and Nehalem arch's performance with games on higher details are sometimes doubtful. That's still a good 50%+ gain over the regular laptop HD Graphics.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Dude I believe everyone thinks you are really anoying and a flamer, not because your opinion but because of a) your attitude, b) your e-penis about some guy named bob and 3) you continiously keep changing topic so it fits your scene.

Besides that, as you can see how anandtech tested, the SB test was done with LOWEST settings, the run on zacate and i5 was done on LOW settings. e.g. not interchangeable.
Also note you are comparing a high power chip with lots of bandwith (Zacate 64bit wide memory path), 5-6 times the power consumption and couple times the size. Lets wait and see what SB does and what they will bring to the MID-end mobile platform (DOUBLE the power of Zacate). Again SB will not be a compititor vor zacate for a long time, and when it does llano will be out to reverse the gpu situation for midend-high end mobile stations)

So how does zapata do any good on notebooks . Intel will simple use a single core SB to beat up on zapata

 

[Nemesis 1]

There's too much uncertainty regarding the Sandy Bridge benchmark. Not only that, having 12EUs instead won't increase results by 2x. Guess the overhaul of other parts could contribute to the EUs affecting more than before but getting 2x the performance with 2x EUs would mean its entirely limited by the EUs.

The Zacate results look very good. I'm impressed they got that in such package, process, and power. The performance they are playing with aren't affected much by CPU anyway, and Nehalem arch's performance with games on higher details are sometimes doubtful. That's still a good 50%+ gain over the regular laptop HD Graphics.

Hay you know I ATI fan boy. But Amd constantly wants to compare to outdated intel products its becoming a theme . AMD wants to compare threads Vs. Cores . AMD wants to compare Zapata to HD .

When anand did the SB review Intel compared to AMD discrete graphics . If AMD had any balls. That the exact same thing they should have compared to zacata. Instead of intels I5 and HD graphics. What a joke

 

[Nemesis 1]

Again

Topic = Zacate

Zacate competitors are: high class Atom and at best ULVC parts (albeit depends on the pricing of zacate)

SB is neither.
SB lowest bin 35W.
ULVC expected over 1year. so not relevant what it performs in the desktop area in this topic.

your personal remarks, for which you have not even the slightest clue, are way off base. This should probably ring a bell why people don't reply anymore.

You haven't a clue how well SB will perform at 18watts. Zapata is said to be going into notebooks. That changes the rules that you just set up .I Agree with you on the 9 watt part . But zapata s stepping up to play in notebooks and that my friend changes your so called rules of combat. Intel can change its roadmaps at will even thow the agreement with us government does touch on that . Intel will not put Oak trail into a notebook . My thinking only.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The Zacate results look very good. I'm impressed they got that in such package, process, and power. The performance they are playing with aren't affected much by CPU anyway, and Nehalem arch's performance with games on higher details are sometimes doubtful. That's still a good 50%+ gain over the regular laptop HD Graphics.

For the class its in ya its good . But i expected more. What I don't like is comparing to class of cpu that won't be in the same class . Now had they compared to present Atom we all would have had fun with that. This was a False flag show nothing more. AMD wanted that I5 cpu as part of the show not so much the graphics performance as the I5 branding .

The reality here is this. In the note book market zapata is not playable in most games. In note books its going to come down to watching movies and editing ect ect ect . zapata can't compete here. Power consumption is the only plus I see.

 

[Dravic]

You haven't a clue how well SB will perform at 18watts. Zapata is said to be going into notebooks. That changes the rules that you just set up .I Agree with you on the 9 watt part . But zapata s stepping up to play in notebooks and that my friend changes your so called rules of combat. Intel can change its roadmaps at will even thow the agreement with us government does touch on that . Intel will not put Oak trail into a notebook . My thinking only.

First it's "Zacate". its already hard enough taking you seriously, but when you wont even use the proper( not zapata, zacata, etc..) name when its in the title it looks a bit silly.

Second how exactly would AMD get access to SB for testing/benchmarks?

If you don't find an 18w APU beating the performance of the CURRENT gen 35w part, then there is no hope for you, and your bias is showing. We are all going off the data we have, and no matter how much you stress it, the numbers you ad "bob" are getting are meaningless to the current conversation.

I have an old single core laptop I'm itching to replace, and the GPU performance we are seeing from an 18W APU makes me excited for the ~$500 portable market next year.

And if you would seriously fire someone for using the manufacturers own publicly available drivers for a benchmark, then .. just... umm.. wow... hyperbole much..

 

[Nemesis 1]

1) I like zap better.

2) They should have tested against Atom thats the class their up against. This was pure show boating . No reality here.

3) It didn't beat the performance of the present part . I seen no benchmarks other than games. This is why AMD wanted to test against I5 so people such as yourself can put these types hype threw the web . Not real classey but it worked on you .

4) Wake me when this DX11 part does demo with tess. I did like the direct compute part that was impressive and very near future . 1 of 2 positives I seen .

5) No i would have fired them for being retards thinking those were real bench marks,

You do not know me at all . My daughter will sell to anyone . NOT me and none could stop it, This wasn't racist remark . I sold only expensive gamers. If your income wasn't were it should be . I held people to my standards of living with in your means. I would simply stall on the build until they gave up and went else ware.

 

[Vette73]

1) I like zap better.

2) They should have tested against Atom thats the class their up against. This was pure show boating . No reality here.

3) It didn't beat the performance of the present part . I seen no benchmarks other than games. This is why AMD wanted to test against I5 so people such as yourself can put these types hype threw the web . Not real classey but it worked on you .

4) Wake me when this DX11 part does demo with tess. I did like the direct compute part that was impressive and very near future . 1 of 2 positives I seen .

5) No i would have fired them for being retards thinking those were real bench marks,

You do not know me at all . My daughter will sell to anyone . NOT me and none could stop it,

1) Bears

2) Beets

3) Battle star galactica

Fact-bears eat beets-bears beat battle star galactica

 

[Idontcare]

My daughter will sell to anyone . NOT me and none could stop it,

 

[jaydee]

For the class its in ya its good . But i expected more

What exactly were your expectations?

My daughter will sell to anyone . NOT me and none could stop it,

What the?

 

[IntelUser2000]

My guess is he meant that his daughter is in the industry(computers?) and she'll sell the parts to anyone without restrictions?

Nemesis's words are always cryptic but he can be hilarious sometimes.

 

[mrcmtl]

2) They should have tested against Atom thats the class their up against. This was pure show boating . No reality here.

Why would AMD demo it against Atom? That would be comparing a GT-R to a Toyota Echo in acceleration performance. If you really want to know the performance of your GT-R, test it against a Lamborghini or something.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya seen how that sounded and quickly explained myself.

 

[Idontcare]

Ya seen how that sounded and quickly explained myself.

:thumbsup:

 

[VirtualLarry]

I would simply stall on the build until they gave up and went else ware.

Great customer service there. Is that why your daughter is running the show now?

 

[Dravic]

1) I like zap better.

2) They should have tested against Atom thats the class their up against. This was pure show boating . No reality here.

3) It didn't beat the performance of the present part . I seen no benchmarks other than games. This is why AMD wanted to test against I5 so people such as yourself can put these types hype threw the web . Not real classey but it worked on you .

4) Wake me when this DX11 part does demo with tess. I did like the direct compute part that was impressive and very near future . 1 of 2 positives I seen .

5) No i would have fired them for being retards thinking those were real bench marks,

You do not know me at all . My daughter will sell to anyone . NOT me and none could stop it, This wasn't racist remark . I sold only expensive gamers. If your income wasn't were it should be . I held people to my standards of living with in your means. I would simply stall on the build until they gave up and went else ware.

1) ...

2) well duh.. of course it was show boating.. What else happens at tech conferences.

3.) they didn't...? These are APU parts you do realize. This is all about integrating the GPU into the CPU. What more intensive application other then a game is going to be run on a netbook? Yes it worked on me an 99% of the population that sees the results. The first gen APU from AMD is BETTER at gaming then the current leading mainstream notebook CPU with integrated GPU oh no.. how dear i fall for it..

4) ...

5) They had an error that was brought to there attention, and remedied the situation as best as one could have asked by letting a 3rd party independently verify their results and hardware. Your holier then thou and yet completely unprofessional standards ( I would simply stall on the build until they gave up and went else ware) are laughable at best.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Why would AMD demo it against Atom? That would be comparing a GT-R to a Toyota Echo in acceleration performance. If you really want to know the performance of your GT-R, test it against a Lamborghini or something.

These aren't gamers . I would have rather seen CPU benchmarks. How the cpus compare . So atom would be only correct choice. I only have 1 game pad in the house and thats not mine. This market they do just fine. But note book not. The fact that they didn't test against Atom in cpu benchies . But than again there is the direct compute bench .

 

[Vesku]

Check out the Zacate update, http://www.anandtech.com/show/3933/amds-zacate-apu-performance-update , AMD gave Anand full control of their demo platform. I think that in itself is worth a gold star. Unlike Nemesis 1, I don't see Intel deploying a SB competitor any time soon in that same value and power bracket. Intel has always protected their margins when it comes to mobile. Although for non-value notebooks it seems like Intel will maintain their comfortable position given Llano delays.

Remains to be seen if Ontario puts a squeeze on Atom prices and volume in the netbook space, but it seems likely. *Edit* Intel is pretty nimble for a 800Lb gorilla, just look how they are trying to leverage atom success in netbooks to squeeze it into embedded and MIDs. Not sure how low Ontario can go considering it's design.

 

[Nemesis 1]

1) ...

2) well duh.. of course it was show boating.. What else happens at tech conferences.

3.) they didn't...? These are APU parts you do realize. This is all about integrating the GPU into the CPU. What more intensive application other then a game is going to be run on a netbook? Yes it worked on me an 99% of the population that sees the results. The first gen APU from AMD is BETTER at gaming then the current leading mainstream notebook CPU with integrated GPU oh no.. how dear i fall for it..

4) ...

5) They had an error that was brought to there attention, and remedied the situation as best as one could have asked by letting a 3rd party independently verify their results and hardware. Your holier then thou and yet completely unprofessional standards ( I would simply stall on the build until they gave up and went else ware) are laughable at best.

Now wait up here. zacata for notebooks . Netbooks is no brainer. Apples to apples . Put this in a notebook and people do care about apps performance . and direct compute and cl1.1 apps are coming . Its like AMD 64. Its here but useless for when they appeared on the desktop.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Check out the Zacate update, http://www.anandtech.com/show/3933/amds-zacate-apu-performance-update , AMD gave Anand full control of their demo platform. I think that in itself is worth a gold star. Unlike Nemesis 1, I don't see Intel deploying a SB competitor any time soon in that same value and power bracket. Intel has always protected their margins when it comes to mobile. Although for non-value notebooks it seems like Intel will maintain their comfortable position given Llano delays.

Remains to be seen if Ontario puts a squeeze on Atom prices and volume, but it seems likely.

We have all seen it . Enough were smart enough to see Batman and recalled Anand did that test with SB . But problem remains Anand not sure what he has 1 or 2 eu. I know but I not saying.