Employees with kids get to take time off more often...

[Xavier434]

Until you have kids yourself, stfu.

Having your own kids helps you realize that there are some things more important than work and it also shows you how much less free time you can have in your life overnight just by having one child. Your supervisor obviously understands that. Granted, this also means he has an influence deciding what should be and shouldn't important enough in your life by choosing where to place pressure when granting time off. I do not necessarily agree with that, but don't be pissed at the employees who have children that are getting the time off. It's not their fault. Their kids are much happier that their parents are able to spend time with them during these events which mean so much to them.

Would you rather see those parents be forced to tell their kids that they cannot make it to these things and disappoint them? Stop being so damn selfish. You'll be thankful when the day comes that you have kids and want to ask for that time off.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: se7en
1/10

Easy answer to all your problems go knock someone up.

And yes my time is more valuable than someone else's regardless of wether I have kids or not.

And yes I will take time off for field trips, plays or whatever and if work isn't flexible enough to work with me then someone else will be working 14 hours a day because I won't be there for sure.

I do however understand your point but like I said in this age its pretty easy to hit a bar and come out with a kid 9months later.

PS. You also get 6weeks off at most places now too wether your the mom or dad.

wow...
how do you figure your time is more valuable than the time of another person?

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE values his/her time more valuable than the time of any other person.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Plus with kids it's a $1000 a year credit per kid. I'm shopping out daycare right now for an infant and it's $1000 A MONTH. Yes. A month. That's just for daycare. Not clothes. Not healthcare. Not toys/furniture. Just for care M-F from 8:00-5:00.

18 years of the credit will only cover the first 18 months of care.

Obviously the answer is "well don't have one then!". Think of it like this - how much are you paying a year in taxes right now? If it's more than $1000 then the Government is coming out ahead by offering your parents a finanical incentive to have you.

I get more thank 1k back for having a kid since you will probably be claiming them as a dependant. Actually its about 4 times that with the various write offs related to child care and thats before I even take my wife into account.

Claiming the number of "dependendents" doesn't do anything but change your withholdings. What you actually owe isn't changed.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: mooglemania85
You forgot to mention the tax breaks you get if you're married, have kids, etc.

You pretty much take it us the ass if you're the head of the household and have no spouse or other dependents.

It's a marriage tax PENALTY. Not a Marriage tax bonus.

The lower income automatically gets taxed at the rate of the higher income. You aren't saving money in taxes by getting married.

Plus with kids it's a $1000 a year credit per kid. I'm shopping out daycare right now for an infant and it's $1000 A MONTH. Yes. A month. That's just for daycare. Not clothes. Not healthcare. Not toys/furniture. Just for care M-F from 8:00-5:00.

18 years of the credit will only cover the first 18 months of care.

Obviously the answer is "well don't have one then!". Think of it like this - how much are you paying a year in taxes right now? If it's more than $1000 then the Government is coming out ahead by offering your parents a finanical incentive to have you.

$1000 a month?!?! wow, thats expensive!

Unfortunately, that is not expensive. You can often find cheaper but depending on where you live you probably do not want to. It's the difference between placing your child in a daycare where they simply watch your kids vs putting them in a daycare where they educate them well. People often forget that having both parents working and placing their kids in daycare means that the people working at the daycare are raising the kids more than you are. While nothing compares to a mother's and father's influence on a child, the large number of hours that the daycare spends with the kids every day is much more in comparison than the parents usually can spend quality time with them. It's not worth taking the cheap route with something that important.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: se7en

I get more thank 1k back for having a kid since you will probably be claiming them as a dependant. Actually its about 4 times that with the various write offs related to child care and thats before I even take my wife into account.

I'll believe those numbers when I see them from the IRS. My wife and I work our taxes in the same way that you are describing and we do not get $4000 back for our kid even with write offs with the child care. We get closer to about $1500 - $2000 for the kid. If you know something I don't about getting an extra $2000 back just for having one kid then please share.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: se7en

I get more thank 1k back for having a kid since you will probably be claiming them as a dependant. Actually its about 4 times that with the various write offs related to child care and thats before I even take my wife into account.

I'll believe those numbers when I see them from the IRS. My wife and I work our taxes in the same way that you are describing and we do not get $4000 back for our kid even with write offs with the child care. We get closer to about $1500 - $2000 for the kid. If you know something I don't about getting an extra $2000 back just for having one kid then please share.

And there's a big difference between a deduction and a credit. The $1000 for the kid is a credit. Day care is a deduction. But you are likey better off going the Child care FLEX plan that your employer may offer. It's taken out pretax on your check and likely saves you more going that route than claiming it at the end of the year.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: mooglemania85
You forgot to mention the tax breaks you get if you're married, have kids, etc.

You pretty much take it us the ass if you're the head of the household and have no spouse or other dependents.

It's a marriage tax PENALTY. Not a Marriage tax bonus.

The lower income automatically gets taxed at the rate of the higher income. You aren't saving money in taxes by getting married.

Plus with kids it's a $1000 a year credit per kid. I'm shopping out daycare right now for an infant and it's $1000 A MONTH. Yes. A month. That's just for daycare. Not clothes. Not healthcare. Not toys/furniture. Just for care M-F from 8:00-5:00.

18 years of the credit will only cover the first 18 months of care.

Obviously the answer is "well don't have one then!". Think of it like this - how much are you paying a year in taxes right now? If it's more than $1000 then the Government is coming out ahead by offering your parents a finanical incentive to have you.

$1000 a month?!?! wow, thats expensive!

not really. is slightly above avarage even for here.

i looked a ta few places. one charged a flat $10/her per kid. most had per week charge. anywhere from $100-300 a week. the $100 was at a womens house in a trailer park. no way in hell was i even thinking of that place. the $300 was at a real daycare with trained people.

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: KB
Thats not really an issue where I have worked. My bosses usually gives everyone a chance to leave early on occasion for any reason as long as you don't abuse it. Does your boss have young kids? If so then he is more likely to allow people with kids to take off. You should say you have to see your young nephews piano recital next time you want to leave.

Also Christmas shopping is not the same as seeing a graduation ceremony. This coming from a guy who doesn't have kids. Make up better excuses next time: Like "Ouch My liver hurts" while you hold your elbow.

yeah, but in this case it sounds like he had a good bit of comp. time, which shouldn't matter what you use it for, unless they don't allow comp. time.

Yes, this fell into the area of comp time which is a gray area since it the company does not have a policy on it other than there supposedly is none. Each section really makes their own policy on comp time. When it comes to IS you could have a call out in the middle of the night and end up working on the problem until well into when your shift starts. They obviously can't have you falling asleep at your desk so the rule is once the crisis is averted or they get someone to take over for you, you just go home and hit the hay and come back the next day. Issues that can be resolved in 2 or 3 hours usually the boss has no problem if you come in at 9 or 10. Working late a couple of hours or coming in early when the work demands it is usually accomodated similarly. Get out a couple of hours early the next day, or perhaps on Friday.
Not sure why the boss seemed to think I did not warrant the time off. The fellow I worked with outside his office even said to him that wasn't cool. Maybe you're right. Maybe going to finish Christmas shopping is a lame excuse, but it's my time and whatever reason I need it back should be of no concern. I'm definitely not going to lie about the reason either. That's unethical. Maybe that's how they play the game, but I don't lie. Lying only gets you into more trouble.

 

[piasabird]

Children are our future. Adults without children are just childish selfish children taking up space in the workplace with no meaningful purpose in life. Guys you need to get a grip. Try paying for college.

Single people are always coming in with hangovers. I think overall you will find that married people with children are less likely to be mobile and to want to move from job to job. They make better employees because they do not want to uproot their children, and take them out of school to move to another job.

Of course if you are a narcissistic spoiled rich kid you will never get it.

 

[GoatMonkey]

This is completely fair. Parents need time off to go to the "ban all videogames" meetings.

 

[se7en]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I'll believe those numbers when I see them from the IRS. My wife and I work our taxes in the same way that you are describing and we do not get $4000 back for our kid even with write offs with the child care. We get closer to about $1500 - $2000 for the kid. If you know something I don't about getting an extra $2000 back just for having one kid then please share.

CPA does my taxes for me so excuse me if I dont get the numbers exactly right.

It depends on your situation but there is a dependant care credit if you work and your spouse work / go to school and have to have someone watch little Bubba. However I think the person or facility would have to actually report their earnings so Ms.Smith down the street may not file if she watches your kid since its just her. There is also an EIC which applies to moderate income families which is where I think I got like 2500 just from that last year. There is a cap on EIC at around 3k and there since its geared towards lower income Im sure there is a salary cap as well.

Donating clothes your kid grew out of is good for about a 600 credit I think as well but that goes for any donations really. And as a tech forums donating old stuff to a local church will get you a few more duckets back but I can't remember if there is a cap on church donations or not.

Edit: Also forgot about the dependant spending accounts at most employers that vi_ mentioned since they are pre-tax.

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Children are our future. Adults without children are just childish selfish children taking up space in the workplace with no meaningful purpose in life. Guys you need to get a grip. Try paying for college.

Single people are always coming in with hangovers. I think overall you will find that married people with children are less likely to be mobile and to want to move from job to job. They make better employees because they do not want to uproot their children, and take them out of school to move to another job.

Of course if you are a narcissistic spoiled rich kid you will never get it.

This is a laughably absurd comment! If anything it is the people with children who are selfish. You want children for whatever reason (to carry on your family line, someone to take care of etc) for your own selfish purposes. Anyone with a house payment has similar interests in keeping their job. Also, what good is a pissed off adult that hates their job but only stays their because of their children? That typically equates to a pretty terrible employee. Get off your high horse and get under the wagon where you belong. Kids are everywhere, they take no skill to make and the biggest idiot in the world can raise them.

edit: and thank you for letting us know what dictates a meaningful or unmeaningful existence, I was so confused before you came to enlighten us your highness.

 

[vi edit]

It's the EITC that's getting you that money back. It was originally designed to help out single, low income mothers.

A married couple has a very small chance of being eligible for it unless they make very little money.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Parasitic

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: se7en
1/10

Easy answer to all your problems go knock someone up.

And yes my time is more valuable than someone else's regardless of wether I have kids or not.

And yes I will take time off for field trips, plays or whatever and if work isn't flexible enough to work with me then someone else will be working 14 hours a day because I won't be there for sure.

I do however understand your point but like I said in this age its pretty easy to hit a bar and come out with a kid 9months later.

PS. You also get 6weeks off at most places now too wether your the mom or dad.

wow...
how do you figure your time is more valuable than the time of another person?

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE values his/her time more valuable than the time of any other person.

but that doesn't make it true.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: piasabird
Children are our future. Adults without children are just childish selfish children taking up space in the workplace with no meaningful purpose in life. Guys you need to get a grip. Try paying for college.

Single people are always coming in with hangovers. I think overall you will find that married people with children are less likely to be mobile and to want to move from job to job. They make better employees because they do not want to uproot their children, and take them out of school to move to another job.

Of course if you are a narcissistic spoiled rich kid you will never get it.

This is a laughably absurd comment! If anything it is the people with children who are selfish. You want children for whatever reason (to carry on your family line, someone to take care of etc) for your own selfish purposes. Anyone with a house payment has similar interests in keeping their job. Also, what good is a pissed off adult that hates their job but only stays their because of their children? That typically equates to a pretty terrible employee. Get off your high horse and get under the wagon where you belong. Kids are everywhere, they take no skill to make and the biggest idiot in the world can raise them.

edit: and thank you for letting us know what dictates a meaningful or unmeaningful existence, I was so confused before you came to enlighten us your highness.

Sounds like you could have used more attention as a child.

 

[FoBoT]

not here, anybody can pretty much take off when they need to (if they have vacation time on the books)

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: piasabird
Children are our future. Adults without children are just childish selfish children taking up space in the workplace with no meaningful purpose in life. Guys you need to get a grip. Try paying for college.

Single people are always coming in with hangovers. I think overall you will find that married people with children are less likely to be mobile and to want to move from job to job. They make better employees because they do not want to uproot their children, and take them out of school to move to another job.

Of course if you are a narcissistic spoiled rich kid you will never get it.

This is a laughably absurd comment! If anything it is the people with children who are selfish. You want children for whatever reason (to carry on your family line, someone to take care of etc) for your own selfish purposes. Anyone with a house payment has similar interests in keeping their job. Also, what good is a pissed off adult that hates their job but only stays their because of their children? That typically equates to a pretty terrible employee. Get off your high horse and get under the wagon where you belong. Kids are everywhere, they take no skill to make and the biggest idiot in the world can raise them.

edit: and thank you for letting us know what dictates a meaningful or unmeaningful existence, I was so confused before you came to enlighten us your highness.

...and your parents are proof of that. :thumbsup:

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Parasitic

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: se7en
1/10

Easy answer to all your problems go knock someone up.

And yes my time is more valuable than someone else's regardless of wether I have kids or not.

And yes I will take time off for field trips, plays or whatever and if work isn't flexible enough to work with me then someone else will be working 14 hours a day because I won't be there for sure.

I do however understand your point but like I said in this age its pretty easy to hit a bar and come out with a kid 9months later.

PS. You also get 6weeks off at most places now too wether your the mom or dad.

wow...
how do you figure your time is more valuable than the time of another person?

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE values his/her time more valuable than the time of any other person.

I certainly do.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
not here, anybody can pretty much take off when they need to (if they have vacation time on the books)

same here, since all out time counts as PTO nobody even asks why you are taking it

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: jandrews

This is a laughably absurd comment! If anything it is the people with children who are selfish. You want children for whatever reason (to carry on your family line, someone to take care of etc) for your own selfish purposes. Anyone with a house payment has similar interests in keeping their job. Also, what good is a pissed off adult that hates their job but only stays their because of their children? That typically equates to a pretty terrible employee. Get off your high horse and get under the wagon where you belong. Kids are everywhere, they take no skill to make and the biggest idiot in the world can raise them.

edit: and thank you for letting us know what dictates a meaningful or unmeaningful existence, I was so confused before you came to enlighten us your highness.

If this statement is so true, then why are there so many adults and children out there who just don't do very well in life? I am not just talking about money. I am talking about general good decision making. Most people are not very good at making intelligent decisions for themselves to stay in check and out of trouble. Most people are not good leaders. They tend to be irresponsible and need their hands held for most everything in order to get it right the first time.

btw, I am assuming you do not have kids right?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: piasabird
Children are our future. Adults without children are just childish selfish children taking up space in the workplace with no meaningful purpose in life. Guys you need to get a grip. Try paying for college.

Single people are always coming in with hangovers. I think overall you will find that married people with children are less likely to be mobile and to want to move from job to job. They make better employees because they do not want to uproot their children, and take them out of school to move to another job.

Of course if you are a narcissistic spoiled rich kid you will never get it.

This is a laughably absurd comment! If anything it is the people with children who are selfish. You want children for whatever reason (to carry on your family line, someone to take care of etc) for your own selfish purposes. Anyone with a house payment has similar interests in keeping their job. Also, what good is a pissed off adult that hates their job but only stays their because of their children? That typically equates to a pretty terrible employee. Get off your high horse and get under the wagon where you belong. Kids are everywhere, they take no skill to make and the biggest idiot in the world can raise them.

edit: and thank you for letting us know what dictates a meaningful or unmeaningful existence, I was so confused before you came to enlighten us your highness.

any idiot can raise them? sure maybe. but raise them right? hardly.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Parasitic

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: se7en
1/10

Easy answer to all your problems go knock someone up.

And yes my time is more valuable than someone else's regardless of wether I have kids or not.

And yes I will take time off for field trips, plays or whatever and if work isn't flexible enough to work with me then someone else will be working 14 hours a day because I won't be there for sure.

I do however understand your point but like I said in this age its pretty easy to hit a bar and come out with a kid 9months later.

PS. You also get 6weeks off at most places now too wether your the mom or dad.

wow...
how do you figure your time is more valuable than the time of another person?

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE values his/her time more valuable than the time of any other person.

I certainly do.

Meh. I guess I'm more sympathetic. If somebody has a two year old kid and it's either me (with no kids) or them having to work Christmas morning, I'd take the hit for their kid.

Plus there's the whole illness/death/family emergency thing that a coworker may encounter that trumps my play day. I know these aren't the entire topic of discussion around taking time off for kid's activities, but just pointing out several situations where somebodies time *really is* more important than mine.

I just naively assume that the gratuity is mutual when it comes time that I need that time off.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: se7en
CPA does my taxes for me so excuse me if I dont get the numbers exactly right.

Same here.

Originally posted by: se7en
It depends on your situation but there is a dependant care credit if you work and your spouse work / go to school and have to have someone watch little Bubba. However I think the person or facility would have to actually report their earnings so Ms.Smith down the street may not file if she watches your kid since its just her.

Yup, we take advantage of that too. Facilities must by law report the earnings and give us paperwork every year to file with the IRS.

Originally posted by: se7en
There is also an EIC which applies to moderate income families which is where I think I got like 2500 just from that last year. There is a cap on EIC at around 3k and there since its geared towards lower income Im sure there is a salary cap as well.

Now this is new to me. Do you happen to know the salary cap? I may be interested in this one.

Originally posted by: se7en
Donating clothes your kid grew out of is good for about a 600 credit I think as well but that goes for any donations really. And as a tech forums donating old stuff to a local church will get you a few more duckets back but I can't remember if there is a cap on church donations or not.

Our donations usually go to friends with kids younger than ours so it isn't considered charity that I can take advantage of. Plus, this is something separate when talking about kids when it comes to taxes.

Originally posted by: se7en
Edit: Also forgot about the dependant spending accounts at most employers that vi_ mentioned since they are pre-tax.

I also need to look into this one. I work for the school district so I am not sure what they offer.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: piasabird
Children are our future. Adults without children are just childish selfish children taking up space in the workplace with no meaningful purpose in life. Guys you need to get a grip. Try paying for college.

Single people are always coming in with hangovers. I think overall you will find that married people with children are less likely to be mobile and to want to move from job to job. They make better employees because they do not want to uproot their children, and take them out of school to move to another job.

Of course if you are a narcissistic spoiled rich kid you will never get it.

This is a laughably absurd comment! If anything it is the people with children who are selfish. You want children for whatever reason (to carry on your family line, someone to take care of etc) for your own selfish purposes. Anyone with a house payment has similar interests in keeping their job. Also, what good is a pissed off adult that hates their job but only stays their because of their children? That typically equates to a pretty terrible employee. Get off your high horse and get under the wagon where you belong. Kids are everywhere, they take no skill to make and the biggest idiot in the world can raise them.

edit: and thank you for letting us know what dictates a meaningful or unmeaningful existence, I was so confused before you came to enlighten us your highness.

being gay, I do kind of identify with what you're saying, though it sounds like you're taking a long ride on the whammbulance

it seems as if there's a presumption as if people with kids time is more valuable with the childless. it's always annoyed me, as if just because it's illegal for me to adopt a kid, I somehow don't find it important to spend time with my own make-shift family.

I'm just glad it doesn't really come into effect in my current job, since the vast majority of my company is made up of single, child-free guys.

 

[AdamK47]

You lost my sympathy when you used the words "Just wow."