EMI's take on copy protected CD's

[Sunner]

Interesting read about how the music industry looks at DRM and "copy protected" CD's.
TheReg

 

[DaveSimmons]

grrrr! those scum. And pirates will just switch to using analog-out since at 128kbps it won't make much difference. Meanwhile I won't be able to rip the CDs I buy for my flash player and jukebox. :|

 

[0roo0roo]

is it some new thing that can't be ripped with eac/lame?

 

[pulse8]

There are 250 Million blank CDRs and tapes bought and used this year for copying music in comparison to 213 Million prerecorded audio media. This means the owners are only being paid for 46 per cent of the musical content.

Aren't they aware that CDRs can be used for things other than music?

I mean, sheesh. People have to pirate movies and games, too!

Do they really think they are the center of the pirating universe?

 

[Red Dawn]

Of course after they impose all that BS and notice their sales are still sucking hind tit only then will they realize that the problem is caused by them, their promotion of sh!t for music artists like Britney Spears and Eminem and their over priced product.

Hell most of the stuff worth ripping isn't the current crap they are trying to sell anyway. Besides the brain dead Wiggers buying (C)Rap and Eminem garbage, those who actually have musical tastes realize what is being offered as music today is nothing but recycled fecal matter compared to the Music from the last 3 decades.

 

[Placer14]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course after they impose all that BS and notice their sales are still sucking hind tit only then will they realize that the problem is caused by them, their promotion of sh!t for music artists like Britney Spears and Eminem and their over priced product.

Hell most of the stuff worth ripping isn't the current crap they are trying to sell anyway. Besides the brain dead Wiggers buying (C)Rap and Eminem garbage, those who actually have musical tastes realize what is being offered as music today is nothing but recycled fecal matter compared to the Music from the last 3 decades.

I was just going to say something along these lines. With all the "pirating" going on, maybe stupid artists will realize their crap music sucks and we'll get more quality musicians playing cause they love it and stop trying to turn a few mil on CD sales. Hmm...the CD Protection is gonna happen, whether they like it or not. 8 track could be copied, Tapes could be copied, VHS, BetaMAX, CDs, DVDs, Maybe they should go back to Vinyl.

Arg....i'm babbling, but the mass pirating is a natural effect to reduce crap products....and stuff..

 

[nord1899]

Well considering almost all of my "new" music is live recordings of DJ's from Europe that I download from P2P clients, I don't think this will affect me. Its been a while since I've bought a CD. I'd buy these live recordings if they were available, but they are not, so oh well.

That and I pretty much listen to online radio stations exclusively too, like DigitallyImported.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Placer14

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course after they impose all that BS and notice their sales are still sucking hind tit only then will they realize that the problem is caused by them, their promotion of sh!t for music artists like Britney Spears and Eminem and their over priced product.

Hell most of the stuff worth ripping isn't the current crap they are trying to sell anyway. Besides the brain dead Wiggers buying (C)Rap and Eminem garbage, those who actually have musical tastes realize what is being offered as music today is nothing but recycled fecal matter compared to the Music from the last 3 decades.

I was just going to say something along these lines. With all the "pirating" going on, maybe stupid artists will realize their crap music sucks and we'll get more quality musicians playing cause they love it and stop trying to turn a few mil on CD sales. Hmm...the CD Protection is gonna happen, whether they like it or not. 8 track could be copied, Tapes could be copied, VHS, BetaMAX, CDs, DVDs, Maybe they should go back to Vinyl.

Arg....i'm babbling, but the mass pirating is a natural effect to reduce crap products....and stuff..

why would u steal what sucks? or maybe its cuz sucky people steal sucky music?

 

[agnitrate]

Who cares what they say? I know I spend more on CDs now because I am able to test the music before I buy it.

If your music sucks, I'm not going to pay for it and I will probably delete it from my hard drive. If you are good, then I'll buy your CD. I don't cheat people out of money when I feel they deserve it but I sure as hell am not going to be cheated out of mine because they want me to buy it without trying it first.

-silver

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: pulse8

There are 250 Million blank CDRs and tapes bought and used this year for copying music in comparison to 213 Million prerecorded audio media. This means the owners are only being paid for 46 per cent of the musical content.

Aren't they aware that CDRs can be used for things other than music?

I mean, sheesh. People have to pirate movies and games, too!

Do they really think they are the center of the pirating universe?

What an idiot. I have a few hundred CDRs and not a single one has music on it. Apparently this ass can't even conceive of the fact that CDs can possibly be used for data.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course after they impose all that BS and notice their sales are still sucking hind tit only then will they realize that the problem is caused by them, their promotion of sh!t for music artists like Britney Spears and Eminem and their over priced product.

Hell most of the stuff worth ripping isn't the current crap they are trying to sell anyway. Besides the brain dead Wiggers buying (C)Rap and Eminem garbage, those who actually have musical tastes realize what is being offered as music today is nothing but recycled fecal matter compared to the Music from the last 3 decades.

My grandfather says the exact same thing about my father's music. Funny isn't it?

 

[db]

With the music industry, it's all about control, and the fact that they are lazy and don't want to deal with change, but rather just keep the current comfortable system in place.
Not all downloads or copies represent a lost sale of a CD, but that is the presumption they are promoting.
And they are very good at promoting.

 

[esso]

Move CD prices down to the sub-$10 realm, and most people (including me) will consider buying CDs again.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: esso
Move CD prices down to the sub-$10 realm, and most people (including me) will consider buying CDs again.

so what do u currently do eh?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course after they impose all that BS and notice their sales are still sucking hind tit only then will they realize that the problem is caused by them, their promotion of sh!t for music artists like Britney Spears and Eminem and their over priced product.

Hell most of the stuff worth ripping isn't the current crap they are trying to sell anyway. Besides the brain dead Wiggers buying (C)Rap and Eminem garbage, those who actually have musical tastes realize what is being offered as music today is nothing but recycled fecal matter compared to the Music from the last 3 decades.

My grandfather says the exact same thing about my father's music. Funny isn't it?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend all you Britney Spears fans out there.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

I think this whole copy protection business will extend much further than what is currently slated. Eventually I think we will see copy protected cd's as a form of licensed proprietary format that all players must comply with, lest they are not supported or if they do support but do not pay license they will be sued in the ground. The fact that Sony is a giant in publishing and electronics should make this very attainable. It's disgusting how this type of behaviour is becoming the norm for industry these days. :disgust:

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: esso
Move CD prices down to the sub-$10 realm, and most people (including me) will consider buying CDs again.

so what do u currently do eh?

It's all about the used CD market.

 

[esso]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: esso
Move CD prices down to the sub-$10 realm, and most people (including me) will consider buying CDs again.

so what do u currently do eh?

It's all about the used CD market.

Uhhh......yeah......used CDs.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: pulse8

There are 250 Million blank CDRs and tapes bought and used this year for copying music in comparison to 213 Million prerecorded audio media. This means the owners are only being paid for 46 per cent of the musical content.

Aren't they aware that CDRs can be used for things other than music?

I mean, sheesh. People have to pirate movies and games, too!

Do they really think they are the center of the pirating universe?

not that the RIAA doesn't get a piece of every one of those blank CDRs...

 

[Placer14]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Placer14

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course after they impose all that BS and notice their sales are still sucking hind tit only then will they realize that the problem is caused by them, their promotion of sh!t for music artists like Britney Spears and Eminem and their over priced product.

Hell most of the stuff worth ripping isn't the current crap they are trying to sell anyway. Besides the brain dead Wiggers buying (C)Rap and Eminem garbage, those who actually have musical tastes realize what is being offered as music today is nothing but recycled fecal matter compared to the Music from the last 3 decades.

I was just going to say something along these lines. With all the "pirating" going on, maybe stupid artists will realize their crap music sucks and we'll get more quality musicians playing cause they love it and stop trying to turn a few mil on CD sales. Hmm...the CD Protection is gonna happen, whether they like it or not. 8 track could be copied, Tapes could be copied, VHS, BetaMAX, CDs, DVDs, Maybe they should go back to Vinyl.

Arg....i'm babbling, but the mass pirating is a natural effect to reduce crap products....and stuff..

why would u steal what sucks? or maybe its cuz sucky people steal sucky music?

Yea...unfortunately, there are still people out there who like the crap music out there. But I guess the diversity is what makes America great, huh? "Mmmm bop."

 

[Sunner]

For once I agree with Red.

Me, I listen mostly to stuff like Iron Maiden, Helloween, Queensryche, etc etc, and I don't like for example Jazz, but I'll admit that Jazz is still good music, it takes talent to create good Jazz, just like it does to create good hard rock.
This modern $hit like Britney, BSB, etc etc however, is just that, $hit, it has nothing that music is about, it takes no musical talent, no instrumental talent, no nothing, and it's made for the sole purpose of making the record companies loads and loads of money.

The record companies are a bunch of scum as far as Im concerned, normally I don't speak of companies as good or bad, seeing as they are just companies trying to make money, but while most companies compete by trying to make good products to appeal to customers, the record companies have made it their idea to intentionally shaft their customers instead of trying to put out something that's worth the CD it's stored on,

Makes me sick! :|

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Placer14

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Placer14

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Of course after they impose all that BS and notice their sales are still sucking hind tit only then will they realize that the problem is caused by them, their promotion of sh!t for music artists like Britney Spears and Eminem and their over priced product.

Hell most of the stuff worth ripping isn't the current crap they are trying to sell anyway. Besides the brain dead Wiggers buying (C)Rap and Eminem garbage, those who actually have musical tastes realize what is being offered as music today is nothing but recycled fecal matter compared to the Music from the last 3 decades.

I was just going to say something along these lines. With all the "pirating" going on, maybe stupid artists will realize their crap music sucks and we'll get more quality musicians playing cause they love it and stop trying to turn a few mil on CD sales. Hmm...the CD Protection is gonna happen, whether they like it or not. 8 track could be copied, Tapes could be copied, VHS, BetaMAX, CDs, DVDs, Maybe they should go back to Vinyl.

Arg....i'm babbling, but the mass pirating is a natural effect to reduce crap products....and stuff..

why would u steal what sucks? or maybe its cuz sucky people steal sucky music?

Yea...unfortunately, there are still people out there who like the crap music out there. But I guess the diversity is what makes America great, huh? "Mmmm bop."

well its not like u gotta choose a catagory. sometimes i like pop music too not everything has to be opera

 

[ultimatebob]

This "problem" is pretty easy to fix, actually. If you buy a CD that doesn't work in your computer or car CD player, just return it and tell the clerk that it is defective. If they give you crap about it, just take it up with the credit card company, and get the charges reversed.

The hard part is convincing your friends and family to do the same thing. If enough people do it, however, it WILL make a difference. Once retailers start getting swamped with returns of these intentionally crippled CD's, they will demand that EMI removes the copy protection from their CD's. The music industry is only driven by profits nowadays, so the only way consumers can inflence their bad decisions is by making them unprofitable.

 

[tk149]

My Lord of the Rings CD won't work in any of my CDROM drives in digital mode. Sure, I can use analog, but what's the point of having a good sound card and digital speakers, if I have to use a crappy analog out line?

Moreover, I can only transfer the CD to MP3 at 1X speed.

So much for my "fair use." Plus, the CD was a gift, so I can't return it.

And I have lots of CDR's that are mixes of my store-bought audio CD's (not to mention data discs). So much for their stupid blank-CDRS-are-all-used-for-pirating argument.

I refuse to buy any more audio CD's that show up on any of the copy-protected lists. Of course, they'll only blame the loss of my business on "pirating," not on their own stupidity.

The Record Industry can wear my a$$ as a hat. :|

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: tk149
My Lord of the Rings CD won't work in any of my CDROM drives in digital mode. Sure, I can use analog, but what's the point of having a good sound card and digital speakers, if I have to use a crappy analog out line?

Moreover, I can only transfer the CD to MP3 at 1X speed.

So much for my "fair use." Plus, the CD was a gift, so I can't return it.

And I have lots of CDR's that are mixes of my store-bought audio CD's (not to mention data discs). So much for their stupid blank-CDRS-are-all-used-for-pirating argument.

I refuse to buy any more audio CD's that show up on any of the copy-protected lists. Of course, they'll only blame the loss of my business on "pirating," not on their own stupidity.

The Record Industry can wear my a$$ as a hat. :|

hmm did you try extracting with eac? i've never had a cd that couldn't be ripped using eac, even the copy protected ones with the infamous "ring"

if u can't rip u probablyrippiin wrong

btw i ripped my lotr cd just fine.