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dullard

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Yea, maybe you ARE the savant of stock evaluation, im not banking on it though. Good luck.
Thanks for the good wishes. I do okay in stocks (through the diversity, buy, and hold strategy that is pretty close to guaranteed "get rich slowly"). But, I'm no savant. I've made mistakes. Tesla, however as well as a few other massively overpriced bubbles are pretty easy to spot even for normal people.
 
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Yes, you know much better than the professional traders and business insiders that actually valued the company at the time. I dont deal in time machines unless they're going forward, its stupid.
Stock analyst are barely better than a coin flip and basically chase hype. Professional traders don't care about long term, they care about how much they can make in the next quarter. And they are aren't going to tell you what they are actually doing.

Also Telsa has had massive professional shorting for years because the pros knew it was vaporware and just a matter of time for it to come crashing down.
 
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dullard

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Stock analyst are barely better than a coin flip and basically chase hype. Professional traders don't care about long term, they care about how much they can make in the next quarter. And they are aren't going to tell you what they are actually doing.
I just opened up CNN Business to see this headline and thought you nailed it "Wall Street’s dirty secret: It’s terrible at forecasting stocks".

Wall Street's business is profiting for themselves, which means taking profits from those who listen to them.
 

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I just opened up CNN Business to see this headline and thought you nailed it "Wall Street’s dirty secret: It’s terrible at forecasting stocks".

Wall Street's business is profiting for themselves, which means taking profits from those who listen to them.
Wall Street is just fine at picking stocks - their trading desks are generally profitable. The information they make public is total shit though, yes. After all, Wall Street has a direct financial interest in keeping useful information to themselves!

This is why I don't buy individual stocks - when you do that you're competing against people who not only do this for a living but also have tons of resources at their disposal. Also, my default assumption is that by the time any information lands at CNBC or CNN Business or whatever it is already useless and priced in.
 
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Wall Street is just fine at picking stocks - their trading desks are generally profitable. The information they make public is total shit though, yes. After all, Wall Street has a direct financial interest in keeping useful information to themselves!

This is why I don't buy individual stocks - when you do that you're competing against people who not only do this for a living but also have tons of resources at their disposal. Also, my default assumption is that by the time any information lands at CNBC or CNN Business or whatever it is already useless and priced in.
And yet people still believe they are about to get rich quick off the newsletter they subscribe to gives them that amazing tif, all the while they are just pawns in yet another pump and dump scheme. The amount of bullshit that goes unchecked is mind numbing. It sucks watching it from the inside too…
 

fskimospy

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And yet people still believe they are about to get rich quick off the newsletter they subscribe to gives them that amazing tif, all the while they are just pawns in yet another pump and dump scheme. The amount of bullshit that goes unchecked is mind numbing. It sucks watching it from the inside too…
Yes, as soon as I met a friend of mine a few years back and he told me about the ultra low latency interconnects he used to build for the banks is when I became absolutely certain that investing in individual stocks is a bad idea long term. Sure you will win sometimes but just like at a casino the house eventually takes you to the cleaners.
 

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Yes, as soon as I met a friend of mine a few years back and he told me about the ultra low latency interconnects he used to build for the banks is when I became absolutely certain that investing in individual stocks is a bad idea long term. Sure you will win sometimes but just like at a casino the house eventually takes you to the cleaners.

I think investing in blue chip stocks as a long term hold, if you have reason to believe the company will do well, is different from shorter term and more speculative investing. We've done very well with Amazon, for example, these past 7 years. And we didn't just get lucky. It occurred to me when they introduced free next day shipping that they had erased one of the major reasons people still bought things in brick and mortar stores. The point being, we made a good decision based on publicly available information. Wall Street can't hide the fact that Amazon has free next day shipping.
 
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cytg111

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Yes, as soon as I met a friend of mine a few years back and he told me about the ultra low latency interconnects he used to build for the banks is when I became absolutely certain that investing in individual stocks is a bad idea long term. Sure you will win sometimes but just like at a casino the house eventually takes you to the cleaners.
High frequency trading, algo, ai, shouldnt concern you too much to if you are long?
 
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Thanks for the good wishes. I do okay in stocks (through the diversity, buy, and hold strategy that is pretty close to guaranteed "get rich slowly"). But, I'm no savant. I've made mistakes. Tesla, however as well as a few other massively overpriced bubbles are pretty easy to spot even for normal people.
No. Everything is in a bubble, and if it wasnt for those four factors this bubble would still be inflating.
But of course, that would mayhaps just have postponed your “gotcha, told you so” moment by a decade. A solid bet.
 

cytg111

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Stock analyst are barely better than a coin flip and basically chase hype. Professional traders don't care about long term, they care about how much they can make in the next quarter. And they are aren't going to tell you what they are actually doing.

Also Telsa has had massive professional shorting for years because the pros knew it was vaporware and just a matter of time for it to come crashing down.
They cant be shit and be pros at the same time. There is plenty of big funds outthere that is long.
 

cytg111

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Listen I am all for shitting on Musk and Tesla but lets keep it real. Cant wish-backdate shit into reality.
 

fskimospy

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I think investing in blue chip stocks as a long term hold, if you have reason to believe the company will do well, is different from shorter term and more speculative investing. We've done very well with Amazon, for example, these past 7 years. And we didn't just get lucky. It occurred to me when they introduced free next day shipping that they had erased one of the major reasons people still bought things in brick and mortar stores. The point being, we made a good decision based on publicly available information. Wall Street can't hide the fact that Amazon has free next day shipping.
Yes, that all makes sense - I should have been more clear but I think we are basically talking about the same thing. If you buy stocks and hold them for a long time you aren't really trading against Wall Street because...well...you aren't really trading.

What I was going for is that my investment strategy is essentially to avoid contact with professional trading operations whenever possible because they will win in the end.
 

dullard

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No. Everything is in a bubble, and if it wasnt for those four factors this bubble would still be inflating.
But of course, that would mayhaps just have postponed your “gotcha, told you so” moment by a decade. A solid bet.
Telsa vs many stocks. Yep, you are right, can't possibly tell them apart. Everything is in a bubble.
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dullard

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Listen I am all for shitting on Musk and Tesla but lets keep it real. Cant wish-backdate shit into reality.
It isn't a wish. It isn't backdating. It was really what many of us actually were predicting in the past. I posted this before but here is what was posted in 2021:
"TSLA may very well be worth $700/share in 10 years. But to buy it now is just dead money that isn't doing you anything. It is better to invest the money elsewhere, make a profit, and buy TSLA in 10 years when the company might actually worth that $700/share.

Telsa's profits now come entirely from (a) other car companies paying Tesla for electric car credits and (b) rising bitcoin. Profit (a) is going the way of the dodo bird as other companies switch to electric and no longer have to pay Tesla to balance out their lineup. Profit (b) is highly speculative and could just as easily turn to a billion dollar loss.

I'm not catching this falling knife. I'd rather pick it up off the ground."
 

AdamK47

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So those are why Tesla shot up to unreasonable prices and then fell back to Earth? I'm glad that I know now that it had nothing to do with the products, profits, or true potential of the company.
Ponyo was annoying and arrogant in his own way.

Others on this forum like to play the annoying game of trying to be right and digging up old posts with a "I told you so attitude".
 

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Can confirm I'm getting the same error when I try to log in. Looks like it's widespread.



Twitter users have reported a massive global outage with many unable to access the website and its features.

According to downdetector.com, which tracks site traffic, the website became unavailable shortly before midnight GMT (11am Thursday AEDT, 7pm Wednesday EST), with outages most commonly reported on website rather than the app.