CallMeJoe
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OrByte
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Hey I heard the tea party lady mention this same person on Larry King today!!
Thank goodness for talking point eh racist teabaggers??
I guess talking points aren't so helpful when the source data is BOGUS.
baawhahahahawww!
Conservatives/tea baggers look like idiots for jumping all over this story screaming RACISM!!
and Democrats look like a buncha yellow-bellies by knee-jerking all over the Conservative/Tea Bagger faux outrage!
werepossum
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+1 for the posted explanation. Breitbart gets a pass as he did post the whole video and his story's point was the hypocrisy of the NAACP members laughing and applauding when Sherrod mentioned not doing everything she could simply because the farmer was white and she perceived him as trying to show he was better than she. However the right wingers who made the story about Sherrod do need to apologize to her because they certainly had the obligation to seek out and watch the whole video and/or read the entire transcript to see the quote in context. O'Reilly did apologize for not reading the whole transcript, as did Vilsack, as I'm sure the White house has in private. I don't have much use for Sherrod - remember, she refused to help the farmer as much as she could not because she thought he would be better served with a white lawyer but because she perceived him as an uppity white man who felt he was better than her - but she deserves accuracy and fairness in reportage too. Being forced to resign for being a racist due to a story about how you learned it's not always about race is pretty ironic.
Though not nearly as ironic as the NAACP claiming it was "snookered" by Fox News by them only showing part of an NAACP video, a video taken months ago - and even that hours after the NAACP demanded that Sherrod be fired. That's the political equivalent of murdering your parents and then demanding leniency because you're an orphan.
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Brovane
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This is the part that I don't get what all the screaming is about. She admits that at one point in her life 25 years ago she was a racist. She tells the story about how she learned to look beyong race and the lesson that she learned. However because at some point she was a racist 25 years ago she will always be a racist? Doesn't makes much sense to me. It was a great story and it was very appropiatte and it took courage by her to acknowledge her previous failings and show how she learned by them. Maybe somebody in that audience would learn from what she said to look beyond race. However now the central lesson in this country is not to admit to anything and not talk about any previous failures in your character and what you learned from it? What a crock. You usually learn the most from the failures. There is so much dishonesty in this country. At least unlike a lot of politicians she can admit that she made a mistake and what she learned from that mistake. Remember Bush not admiting any mistakes in Iraqi? This was a great education lesson for her audience that has been completely ruined. Now the take away is to keep your mouth shut.
werepossum
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So true. I have to admit too that my low opinion of Sherrod has actually improved a bit over this incident. She showed the NAACP how it's not always about race, a lesson that I didn't think she had learned. That it went over their heads is sad, that the lesson the NAACP took was how sweet it is to be in power and discriminate against whitey, is more sad, but that Sherrod is able to move beyond race (at least sometimes) is a good thing.
Hopefully she touched a few NAACP members with her story. And hopefully this hasn't overturned that lesson and convinced them once again that it IS all about race.
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Like any seasoned troll Breitbart decided to throw some bullshit back at the NAACP for racist claims against the Tea Party. Now I think we all can agree that the Tea Party is a bunch of howling racists at its core. But they do have many populists points to camouflage that racism. So for the NAACP to come out a few weeks ago and declare the Tea Party as racists was reckless. Even if you know it to be true, somebody in that organization should have sense to not say it from their pulpit. How fucking stupid.
As for Breitbart I think this guy deserves alot of credit, as he has single handedly made Blacks accountable for the stupid racist shit they been saying for the past 20 years. Or to put more simply for white people, yes you whitey...you! You can call a black person a racist now. You can Don Imus somebody now. That shield of racist immunity blacks has been shattered by Breitbart. You own him a high five.
Lastly it started with Breitbart and it will end with Breitbart. Lets see if he's a great troll or the greatest troll of African-Americans if he can bring down the NAACP. This organization was already a relic, but in a world with a black President I honestly believe that piece of shit Breitbart can topple it with enough ingenuity.
As for Breitbart I think this guy deserves alot of credit, as he has single handedly made Blacks accountable for the stupid racist shit they been saying for the past 20 years. Or to put more simply for white people, yes you whitey...you! You can call a black person a racist now. You can Don Imus somebody now. That shield of racist immunity blacks has been shattered by Breitbart. You own him a high five.
Lastly it started with Breitbart and it will end with Breitbart. Lets see if he's a great troll or the greatest troll of African-Americans if he can bring down the NAACP. This organization was already a relic, but in a world with a black President I honestly believe that piece of shit Breitbart can topple it with enough ingenuity.
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This from a poster in the link provided by an ATPN member in this thread:
"Fox was set up by those that want to shut it down because they are afraid of the truth!!"
I really really really hope this person wasn't serious. But then again, anyone that defends FOX "NEWS" and its blatant fanatical right wing bias must have swallowed that ludicrously desperate conspiracy plot hook, line, sinker, rod and reel whole and with brain-washed glee.
"Fox was set up by those that want to shut it down because they are afraid of the truth!!"
I really really really hope this person wasn't serious. But then again, anyone that defends FOX "NEWS" and its blatant fanatical right wing bias must have swallowed that ludicrously desperate conspiracy plot hook, line, sinker, rod and reel whole and with brain-washed glee.
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Vilsack needs and must resign over this. Period. (it is that important)
And the head of the NAACP also needs to resign.
Heads should roll.
And Fox news, and the author of this smear should also pay a heavy price (but you know that won't happen in our lifetime).
The white house can play blame games over this, but if Obama had any balls, he'd demand Vilsacks resignation immediately. But they won't.
They only do that when it concerns a black women.
And the head of the NAACP also needs to resign.
Heads should roll.
And Fox news, and the author of this smear should also pay a heavy price (but you know that won't happen in our lifetime).
The white house can play blame games over this, but if Obama had any balls, he'd demand Vilsacks resignation immediately. But they won't.
They only do that when it concerns a black women.
You're still missing the point.
First, there's a big difference between the 'prejudice' of her choosing to work to serve blacks *who as a group had been with their ancestors the victim of prejudice and racist policies for centuries*, it was about as prejudiced as if Helen Keller made a priority to help deaf, dumb and blind people, and the whites who wanted to 'keep blacks down', denying them employment in better work, the right to buy homes in better neighborhoods, the right to swim in the same pools or drink from the same fountains, that was a 'superiority' bigotry.
Her wanting to help the blacks not to hurt whites, but to counter the terrible unfairness they had from the racism, is not some vicious anti-white racism. It's not wrong.
If you go to a group of Vietnamese immigrants to the US who they set up to help other Vietnamese immigrant and they say 'sorry, our group is for Vietnamese immigrants, not white people', are they terrible bigots? No. They might be - but just the fact they have decided to help that group is not necessarily 'bigotry', and she has a lot more justification than mere affiliation, with all the injustice.
And she did not say 'no'. I don't know the charter of her non-profit, but the statement all the people she had helped had been black, and this was the first white person, suggests it was concentrating on blacks. This was a story of her explaining - as you do understand - how she came to go from 'blacks only' to compassion for poor non-blacks, too.
But don't paint her as some counterpart to the KKK before that change - she was not. And note she quickly changed her position to help them a lot, as they thank her for doing.
The white farmers called her a 'friend for life'. How often do you hear that about such a person?
But in addition, note her response wasn't simply 'they were white, and so she did not help all she could.'
It was, 'they were white *and he spent a long time trying to tell her he was superior*'. This when she saw all the racism. She was not impressed - and why should she be?
That's not racism - it's not even a Jewish group saying 'sorry' to a neo-Nazi, that no, their non-profit's help is not available, it's them not giving 'all the help' available to the Neo-Nazi, and then deciding to help them so much the neo-Nazi says how wonderful the help was. That's how blacks at the time had some reason to feel about 'whites trying to say they were better than blacks'.
This all puts her in a more sympathetic light than your post does.
I have no problem with criticizing her first reaction - but only to a point. We wouldn't condemn most people who are helping others of their same race who resent people who are from a group who has oppressed them and who are being insulting, and we shouldn't treat her like she had been a 'racial supremacist' either, IMO. Take it for what it is - she had been looking only at blacks, who had been targeted, and expanded her views to the poor - something pretty much none of the right-wing critics here have done.
All they do pretty much is attack the poor, rationalize not helping the poor and yell and scream against most help. She is in a far better position that the righties here.
It gets even better
Shirley is married to Charles Sherrod.
I'm kinda embarrassed I didn't recognize the last name
In the last month PBS/American Experience locally re-broadcast the documentary Eyes on the Prize, a history of the Civil Rights movement, which included multiple segments and interviews with him.
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Fox is not responsible for what took place here. Read all about it in that bastion of the vast right wing conspiracy, The Washington Post.
Finger-pointing at Fox in Shirley Sherrod firing
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/21/AR2010072103871.html
Fired USDA official receives apologies from White House, Vilsack
Shirley Sherrod's firing from USDA prompts firestorm
The USDA official's firing came after a conservative blogger posted her truncated comments to the NAACP that, 24 years ago, she didn't help a white farmer as much as she could have.
By Karen Tumulty and Ed O'Keefe
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 22, 2010
Ousted Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod, who was portrayed as a racist in a selectively excerpted Internet video, on Wednesday achieved something almost unheard of in overheated Washington: swift and utter vindication.
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Shirley Sherrod's firing from USDA prompts firestorm
Shirley Sherrod video: Vilsack offers to hire back ousted worker
Shirley Sherrod video: USDA reconsiders job after race remarks
Washington Post's Chris Cillizza on 'Top Line'
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Two days after Sherrod was fired from her job overseeing rural development in Georgia, both the White House and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack apologized to her. Vilsack also offered her another unspecified position with the department. Sherrod said she would consider it.
"This is a good woman," Vilsack said. "She's been put through hell. I could have done and should have done a better job. I'll learn from that experience. I want this agency and department to learn from this experience, and I want us to be stronger for it."
He was far from alone in vowing to learn from the episode that began when Andrew Breitbart, a conservative activist and blogger, posted to his site the video from a March 27 speech Sherrod gave at an NAACP event. By the time it played out two days later, it had vividly revealed how Washington's political culture is driven by impulse and self-interest -- often instead of judgment.
"Members of this administration, members of the media, members of different political factions on both sides of this have all made determinations and judgments without a full set of facts," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said at his daily briefing, which CNN broadcast on a split screen with a live shot of Sherrod watching from its studio.
In the snippet of video on Breitbart's Web site, Sherrod, who is black, admitted to having been reluctant to help a white farmer who sought her aid 24 years before, when she was working for a nonprofit agency established to help black farmers.
What the clip did not show was the larger point Sherrod had made, one that was the opposite of the perception it created. From that episode, she told the NAACP audience, she had recognized her own prejudice, moved beyond it to an understanding that "there is no difference between us," and ultimately had helped the white farmer save his land.
In the reaction that followed the posting of the video, Sherrod not only was fired from her USDA post but was denounced by the Obama administration, the media and even the civil rights organization whose local chapter had invited her to speak.
Sherrod mounted her own defense in a series of appearances on CNN, and the farmer, Roger Spooner, and his family backed her up. But not until the NAACP released a video of the full speech Tuesday night did it become clear how misleading the excerpt was.
In an interview Wednesday, Breitbart said he first learned of Sherrod's speech in April, when a source he declined to name sent him a DVD copy of it. But the DVD did not work. He said he forgot about the speech until last week, when the NAACP denounced what it called "racist elements" of the "tea party" movement.
Angry at the NAACP's move, Breitbart said he contacted the source again asking for copies of the speech and obtained two edited clips over the weekend.
After Breitbart first referred to the existence of the video clip during a radio interview last Thursday, Sherrod tried to contact Vilsack and Deputy Secretary Kathleen Merrigan through e-mail accounts the department had created for employee feedback. But they are checked infrequently, a spokesman said.
As a result, USDA aides did not learn of it until Monday, after Breitbart had posted them.
Obama officials rejected accusations that they overreacted out of fear of inciting their conservative critics.
Presidential aides insisted that no one at the White House pressed Vilsack to dismiss Sherrod, despite her claims that they had. But when the facts became clear, and the public view of Sherrod flipped from vilification to sympathy, the White House let it be known that someone there -- it wouldn't say who or when -- pressed the agriculture secretary to reconsider.
Vilsack was especially sensitive to the issue. Since taking over, he has made it a priority to rectify the injustices of a department with a long history of racial discrimination.
After publicly apologizing to Sherrod, Vilsack met with Congressional Black Caucus members on Capitol Hill on Wednesday afternoon. According to a spokeswoman, he was there to apologize and to listen.
Fired USDA official receives apologies from White House, Vilsack
Shirley Sherrod's firing from USDA prompts firestorm
The USDA official's firing came after a conservative blogger posted her truncated comments to the NAACP that, 24 years ago, she didn't help a white farmer as much as she could have.
By Karen Tumulty and Ed O'Keefe
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 22, 2010
Ousted Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod, who was portrayed as a racist in a selectively excerpted Internet video, on Wednesday achieved something almost unheard of in overheated Washington: swift and utter vindication.
This Story
Fired USDA official receives apologies
Sherrod called on grit to help carry her
Finger-pointing at Fox in Shirley Sherrod firing
Shirley Sherrod's firing from USDA prompts firestorm
Shirley Sherrod video: Vilsack offers to hire back ousted worker
Shirley Sherrod video: USDA reconsiders job after race remarks
Washington Post's Chris Cillizza on 'Top Line'
View All Items in This Story
View Only Top Items in This Story
Two days after Sherrod was fired from her job overseeing rural development in Georgia, both the White House and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack apologized to her. Vilsack also offered her another unspecified position with the department. Sherrod said she would consider it.
"This is a good woman," Vilsack said. "She's been put through hell. I could have done and should have done a better job. I'll learn from that experience. I want this agency and department to learn from this experience, and I want us to be stronger for it."
He was far from alone in vowing to learn from the episode that began when Andrew Breitbart, a conservative activist and blogger, posted to his site the video from a March 27 speech Sherrod gave at an NAACP event. By the time it played out two days later, it had vividly revealed how Washington's political culture is driven by impulse and self-interest -- often instead of judgment.
"Members of this administration, members of the media, members of different political factions on both sides of this have all made determinations and judgments without a full set of facts," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said at his daily briefing, which CNN broadcast on a split screen with a live shot of Sherrod watching from its studio.
In the snippet of video on Breitbart's Web site, Sherrod, who is black, admitted to having been reluctant to help a white farmer who sought her aid 24 years before, when she was working for a nonprofit agency established to help black farmers.
What the clip did not show was the larger point Sherrod had made, one that was the opposite of the perception it created. From that episode, she told the NAACP audience, she had recognized her own prejudice, moved beyond it to an understanding that "there is no difference between us," and ultimately had helped the white farmer save his land.
In the reaction that followed the posting of the video, Sherrod not only was fired from her USDA post but was denounced by the Obama administration, the media and even the civil rights organization whose local chapter had invited her to speak.
Sherrod mounted her own defense in a series of appearances on CNN, and the farmer, Roger Spooner, and his family backed her up. But not until the NAACP released a video of the full speech Tuesday night did it become clear how misleading the excerpt was.
In an interview Wednesday, Breitbart said he first learned of Sherrod's speech in April, when a source he declined to name sent him a DVD copy of it. But the DVD did not work. He said he forgot about the speech until last week, when the NAACP denounced what it called "racist elements" of the "tea party" movement.
Angry at the NAACP's move, Breitbart said he contacted the source again asking for copies of the speech and obtained two edited clips over the weekend.
After Breitbart first referred to the existence of the video clip during a radio interview last Thursday, Sherrod tried to contact Vilsack and Deputy Secretary Kathleen Merrigan through e-mail accounts the department had created for employee feedback. But they are checked infrequently, a spokesman said.
As a result, USDA aides did not learn of it until Monday, after Breitbart had posted them.
Obama officials rejected accusations that they overreacted out of fear of inciting their conservative critics.
Presidential aides insisted that no one at the White House pressed Vilsack to dismiss Sherrod, despite her claims that they had. But when the facts became clear, and the public view of Sherrod flipped from vilification to sympathy, the White House let it be known that someone there -- it wouldn't say who or when -- pressed the agriculture secretary to reconsider.
Vilsack was especially sensitive to the issue. Since taking over, he has made it a priority to rectify the injustices of a department with a long history of racial discrimination.
After publicly apologizing to Sherrod, Vilsack met with Congressional Black Caucus members on Capitol Hill on Wednesday afternoon. According to a spokeswoman, he was there to apologize and to listen.
To bad facts don't show that. The story and video was on Fox's website and they were taping the shows well before she resigned. Fox was also calling the USDA and white house for comment BEFORE she resigned.
So yes Fox was leading the way and callign her a racist and saying she should be fired.
Also did you miss this part...
"Fox executives say O'Reilly's staff, which is notpart of the news division, sought comment from USDA throughout the day."
The USDA jumped and tried to get ahead of the story with all the pressure coming from Fox.
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CADsortaGUY
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yeah - a masters in community agitating? WTF kind of degree is that? Stupid liberals.
You have a despicable view IMO.
I can't stand David Frum mostly, but he sometimes tries to do something a bit better than some of his fellow righties. And he said that Breitbart is arguing, 'the proper response to lies on racial issues, is to tell your own lies on racial issues'. Unlike you, he says that condemning Breitbart, not praising.
You remind me of the 'dirty tricks' supporters under Nixon, or the Karl Rove 'dirty tricks' mentality, where you decide any dirty tricks are a good idea, ok, and 'clever', with a sort of adolescent pride in 'getting away' with doing things for your side, and a decided lack of principles.
The only villains here are the people who lied by trying to pass off a misleadingly edited bit of evidence to assassinate the charter of someone for politics, and those who recklessly participated in the usual right-wing media process of blowing that lie up and getting is widespread.
The people who fell for the lie in good faith had blame for their mistakes - including putting politics too high over checking the story - but it was far less bad than the first group.
The people who follow the right-wing liars, who create the political pressure the White House was concerned about if the 'racist' woman became a news item and they had to appear to get rid of her under pressure after the right-wing media demanded it, are to blame as well. Why does a liar like Glenn Beck have a national platform? Both Fox and his viewers are to blame - even if the White House made a mistake as well because he and other right-wing media do have a big following.
You are among the worst in all this, praising the lying because it fits some agenda you have like hating the NAACP for doing some good on race you ignorantly don't understand.
I blame Vilsack and the NAACP and apparently the White House for a mistake. I don't agree that getting rid of people is justified.
It's all too unusual for the federal government to apologize for mistakes - how often did Bush do that, he was infamous for not apologizing when he should - and that's happened.
There's every reason to believe they have learned a lesson, and their resigning won't do any good - it'll actually reward the liars who put this out with some 'scalps'.
Just as the right-wing participants - including Breitbart in both cases - got a major 'prize' by destroying ACORN with their lies. No, don't get rid of anyone but the lying righties.
A slew of Fox commentators blew this story up and made false statements - how many of them are getting terminated?
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Bullshit, the only person to run it on Fox was O'Reilly, hours after she resigned, and the story didn't appear again until after the whole video came out, and she was being DEFENDED on Fox. If they fired her because O'Reilly's staff was calling trying to get a comment that's pretty pathetic. The fact is THEY over-reacted big time, and decided to dump her because she "was going to be on Glenn Beck" that night, when the fact is she wasn't until the next night, and he was defending her, saying she shouldn't have been fired.
Not even close by a long shot.
O'Reilly: "Sherrod must resign," her remarks are "unacceptable." On the July 19
Hannity called Sherrod's remarks "[j]ust the latest in a series of racial incitents," called for the NAACP to be "held to account" to repudiate Sherrod. On the July 19
Perino: "This video adds fuel to a growing controversy after the NAACP" asked the tea party to denounce racists. On the July 19
Doocy: Sherrod "sure sounded racist," is "[e]xhibit A" of "what racism looks like." On the July 19 edition of Fox & Friends
Beck plays "videotape of USDA administration official discriminating against white farmers." On the July 20
Yea just O'Reilly.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007210066
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007200060
You are wrong. It's easy to get confused about the timeline when cable news programs are run in different time zones and most people are only concentrating on the early evening big names when they appear in their own time slot but...Fox duplicated Briebert's web posting on Monday morning. On camera commentators were broadcasting the story late Monday morning and early afternoon calling for her resignation. Sherrod resigned by phone late Monday afternoon.
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There is a gaping hole in this story because the Fox talking head shows are not live they are taped so their contect is know well before airing.
xj0hnx
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Not even close by a long shot.
O'Reilly: "Sherrod must resign," her remarks are "unacceptable." On the July 19
Hannity called Sherrod's remarks "[j]ust the latest in a series of racial incitents," called for the NAACP to be "held to account" to repudiate Sherrod. On the July 19
Perino: "This video adds fuel to a growing controversy after the NAACP" asked the tea party to denounce racists. On the July 19
Doocy: Sherrod "sure sounded racist," is "[e]xhibit A" of "what racism looks like." On the July 19 edition of Fox & Friends
Beck plays "videotape of USDA administration official discriminating against white farmers." On the July 20
Yea just O'Reilly.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007210066
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007200060
Mediamatters is lying through their fucking teeth, I watched the shit happen. The day they called Sherron and told her to resign because she was "going to be on Glenn Beck tonight", he did not even mention her, it wasn't until the following night when he ran the story defending her that she was even mentioned on his show. O'Reilly had run the clip the day she resigned ...hours after she resigned.
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Then you have an extra special, day in advance, feed of fox news that the rest of us don't seem to get. Because it was nothing but screeching about this story from all the talking heads on monday.
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