*EDIT* Mac vs. PC Flame war

[Ornery]

...majority of people I've heard from/seen/read on forums and such seem to prefer the OSX GUI over Windows for aesthetics...

And, that's what it's all about for our lame brained consumers these days... aesthetics. :roll:

Reminds me of our secretary at work. Finally got her flaky, old PC replaced, and the first thing she does is start looking for wallpaper & themes. Gawd, that so reminds me of Apple consumers in general!

I must just spend too much time being productive, to worry about shiny shlt like that.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Ornery
...majority of people I've heard from/seen/read on forums and such seem to prefer the OSX GUI over Windows for aesthetics...

And, that's what it's all about for our lame brained consumers these days... aesthetics. :roll:

Reminds me of our secretary at work. Finally got her flaky, old PC replaced, and the first thing she does is start looking for wallpaper & themes. Gawd, that so reminds me of Apple consumers in general!

I must just spend too much time being productive, to worry about shiny shlt like that.

Yeah, down with aesthetics. Concrete buildings for all! Screw art, who needs that! Car interior design and exterior design is pointless when we can all just drive a box on wheels! Why landscape your house when gravel will work just as well? Littering is an effective method of trash disposal, afterall, who cares about excess garbage laying around!

You do realize it's entirely possible to be productive in a world filed with things that are pleasing to the eye (whether a GUI is pleasing to the eye is obviously an entirely different topic of debate)?

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: KoolDrew

Its a waste of money (?????)
Macs Suck

:thumbsup:

I Hate Windows, Love OS X

You are not forced to use Windows with a PC...

qft

 

[Goosemaster]

Wont use as much electricity

LOL....that is what Stalin said about the renouned Marxist doctrine....

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Wont use as much electricity

LOL....that is what Stalin said about the renouned Marxist doctrine....

There is some logic behind the electricity argument (at least as an added bonus on top of other arguments, by itself it's flawed if you are potentially spending more than you'd gain back in savings just to 'save' on electricity). But then again, if electricity is a primary concern he'd probably be better off getting a P-M based system for performance/Watt.

 

[Ornery]

...it's entirely possible to be productive in a world filed with things that are pleasing to the eye...

That's just fine with me, as long as both products are the same price. It's the absurd premium people pay, for the sake of shiny alternatives that rubs me wrong. And, to pay so much extra for something that actually performs worse... damn! It just goes against everything Hot Deals stands for!

 

[digiram]

I started working when I was 14 years old. Get yourself a job, and buy whatever you want.

 

[Shawn]

$2100?? jesus christ! I got my 1.3GHz laptop for $700 2 years ago and it still does what I need it to. I'd never spend more than that for a laptop. You could buy a car for $2100.

 

[TheGeek]

i already have a car

 

[Rip the Jacker]

Originally posted by: TheGeek
i already have a car

wow...

stop fvcking complaining then.

 

[Kishan]

I feel terrible for your dad. You sound like a prick.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: manly
Ahh okay, you just threw out any credibility you may have had there.

Watch out, he might have to publicly own you. :roll:

Another vocal mac user comes out of the woodwork. Watch where you chuck those rainbows- it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

LOL, I don't particularly like Macs or any Apple products. I certainly don't use any Apple products on a daily basis (although I support a few Macs and god knows how many iPods). I'd probably buy an iPod if they had better color screens and wma support and I didn't have to use iTunes, and Apple's hardware design is pretty cool, but I don't like OSX. But unlike you, I can separate the products and their users (ie, not look like a flaming moron).

No, unlike you, I can see trends when some morons (that's you) can't see the writing on the wall. You're in internet forum trash talker, that's all you are and all you'll ever be. I see that you're within driving distance of me, so if you think you can back it up, speak up kid.

The only person "talking trash" is you. Getting in a fistfight over computers? Grow up.

Seriously, everything you've done in this thread is sad. You tried to put me into your little "gay mac user" box, and I respond with reason, so you challenge me to a fight, and try to make me look like a wuss if I decline because I'm "within driving distance" of you, which I can't possibly know because your profile is turned off.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Sunbird

Pot calling kettle black he?

Being able to back it up makes the difference. Anyone can talk trash, but not many are willing or even able to back it up.

Could you imagine if some scrawny kid came up to you and harassing you the way they do on a forum? They'd get knocked out. This guy has a problem with me and he's within driving distance. He can either settle down and talk to me like an adult, or he can act belligerent and face the consequences.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Ornery
...it's entirely possible to be productive in a world filed with things that are pleasing to the eye...

That's just fine with me, as long as both products are the same price. It's the absurd premium people pay, for the sake of shiny alternatives that rubs me wrong. And, to pay so much extra for something that actually performs worse... damn! It just goes against everything Hot Deals stands for!

I'm entirely in agreement with you on that. Form should always follow, or at least be equal to function. The only exception is pure works of art, which usually have no function other than providing some form of pleasure.

But you have to agree with me that while Macs may be slower from a hardware standpoint, the OS operates differently from Windows, and some of these differences (such as Expose and Spotlight) can be integrated into a work routine that would possibly allow an individual to work more effectively (and quite possibly faster as is the case with the expose/Photoshop combo). The same can be said of some Windows things (such as the taskbar being in certain cases arguably superior to the dock). Certain people also value the Mac for it's ability to run many open source apps natively alongside the OSX apps thanks to the OSX version of XWindows (I think that's what it is). Certain people value the larger amount of software available in Windows. Thus it comes down to personal preference/workflow to determine which is best to the individual user. Overall hardware speed (save perhaps the huge bottleneck of HD/optical drive speed) is not an issue in the vast majority of what people do with their computers. It's the speed of interfacing with the computer that is becoming the real bottleneck. This speed issue is why CLI is considered superior by many hardcore tech types, but the difficulty associated with gaining a thorough understanding of the command lines has made GUIs gain ground. Admittedly, this is a bit simplified, but a thorough workthrough of why hardware speed isn't the end all of be all of computers requires more typing than I wish to put in right now.

 

[thirdlegstump]

$2100 isn't bad at all for one of the best laptops money can buy. It runs a dependable and robust operating system that's easy to troubleshoot (in the rare case should you need to) and it looks quite beautiful. Other pluses include ability to run the latest and greatest graphics applications smoothly since the system is designed from the ground up for real design. It's also based on Unix which is far more stable than WinBLOZE eXPEE. Dells are cheap but just LOOK at them. They're built like toys, heavy and extremely ugly. The only decent laptops on the PeeCee world I've seen are the Thinkpads but they are similarly priced as the Powerbooks. I have a Thinkpad T23 and getting an X41 in the very near future. The only difference being I'm 26 and buy these things myself : ) I'd get a Powerbook when my job requires one which may be real soon if I get this job tomorrow...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: werk

The only person "talking trash" is you. Getting in a fistfight over computers? Grow up.

When you're not on the receiving end of the beatdown, you tend not to care too much. Like I said, I can back it up.

Now don't get this confused, I'm not challenging you to a fight over the internet. I'm just saying you can settle down and act like an adult (as I'd prefer), or you can act like an emotional punkass kid and expect to be treated like one.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Sunbird

Pot calling kettle black he?

Being able to back it up makes the difference. Anyone can talk trash, but not many are willing or even able to back it up.

Could you imagine if some scrawny kid came up to you and harassing you the way they do on a forum? They'd get knocked out. This guy has a problem with me and he's within driving distance. He can either settle down and talk to me like an adult, or he can act belligerent and face the consequences.

I repeat:

Grow up.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
$2100 isn't bad at all for one of the best laptops money can buy. It runs a dependable and robust operating system that's easy to troubleshoot (in the rare case should you need to) and it looks quite beautiful. Other pluses include ability to run the latest and greatest graphics applications smoothly since the system is designed from the ground up for real design. It's also based on Unix which is far more stable than WinBLOZE eXPEE. Dells are cheap but just LOOK at them. They're built like toys, heavy and extremely ugly. The only decent laptops on the PeeCee world I've seen are the Thinkpads but they are similarly priced as the Powerbooks. I have a Thinkpad T23 and getting an X41 in the very near future. The only difference being I'm 26 and buy these things myself : ) I'd get a Powerbook when my job requires one which may be real soon if I get this job tomorrow...

You do realize that calling Windows XP "WinBLOZE eXPEE" and a PC "PeeCee" does nothing to strenghten your credibility as a neutral judge of computing hardware/software from which others should take advice?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: werk
I repeat:

Grow up.

I see that you're all for talking trash when you think the other person has no recourse. You're just a puny trashtalking punk that acts like a real man behind the keyboard.

You can either back it up, or STFU. I, for one, can back it up, there's no doubt about that. I'm not a bully, but I am occasionally forced to put people in their place.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: werk
I repeat:

Grow up.

I see that you're all for talking trash when you think the other person has no recourse. You're just a puny trashtalking punk that acts like a real man behind the keyboard.

You can either back it up, or STFU. I, for one, can back it up, there's no doubt about that.

I don't understand how I'm talking trash or being a kid, when you're the one calling me gay mac user and challenging me to "back it up," whatever that means. Is this how you act in real life? It's really quite sad.

 

[91TTZ]

You can underclock an CPU to get the wattage down considerably. You'd be surprised by how low the wattage gets when you lower the voltage and underclock.

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Apple does a great job advertising and catering to a very specific market. The problem is that I hate just about all of their commercials and products. Everything seems to have a "fruity" quality to them that I just find weird and awkward. That's probably that same thing that draws some people to them.

Just as pink T-shirts and popped collars appeals to some guys, it strongly turns others off. Apple is the pink T-shirt/popped collar crowd.

no, you don't want to use the interface. The Apple UI scales from the command line geek to the grandmother that has no idea what to do with a mouse.

You have the full usability of a *nix command line AND mainstream application support. If you are a graphics developer, in the bag. Net Admin? In the bag. Just a casual user? Windows Media player and MS office are available. What else do you need?

All wrapped in a package that NO PC manufacturer can complete with. No ports on the back, plug and play and power managment that actually work. Ever put a mac to sleep? It happens almost instantly and wakes up instantly. It will reconnect to all its networks without issue. It almost never screws up.

Its not a gaming platform, but it is a solid no headaches system worth every penny.

Oh, and I am a professional IT guy and I recently bought G5 after a year with a powerbook. I still have my H2O P4 for some things, but it mostly spends its time off.

 

[loup garou]

Oh yes, is this one of those "public ownings" you promised me?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: werk

I don't understand how I'm talking trash or being a kid, when you're the one calling me gay mac user and challenging me to "back it up," whatever that means. Is this how you act in real life? It's really quite sad.

How about this- I'll be nice and apologize to you for being rude. I really don't like arguing, I just have a short temper.

 

[AmberClad]

$2100 for a machine you can't even game on. Are you nuts???

You could buy a cheapo laptop, and have enough left over to buy or build a pimped out gaming desktop.

I would agree with both of your Dad's points. Apple's producted are far overpriced and generally used by people who value pretty looks over substance/value and buy what's "in".

Since you say that Windows suck, I would have to assume that you're not a gamer, since the selection of Mac games is very limited and generally released much later than PC versions. Which begs the question what you're going to use the laptop for. If it's to do word processing and use the web, then you're even more nuts to ask your Dad to spend $2100 on it.