Edge of Tomorrow

[Wreckem]

James Cameron says it's the theaters fault when 3D movies look too dark. They turn the brightness down to save money.

No what he said is the issue is the 3d projectors that are being used to show 2d movies. Most theaters don't swap out the lenses and just use the 3d lenses even for the 2d movie. This results in a darker viewing of 2d movies. 3d screenings are not effected just 2pd screenings.

 

[Wreckem]

And yeah Edge of Tomorrow is behind the cancer drama and the sleeping beauty retold. Atleast in the US. International + US and Edge of a Tomorrow is doing really well.

 

[gorcorps]

Pretty good flick overall. Fun to watch and the 3D was pretty good during the battles. I have some nitpicking/unanswered questions though...

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1) Rita warns Cage that she lost her power after a blood transfusion. Isn't this the type of power you don't realize you lost until it's too late and you're just dead? (I'm aware that Cage mentions he "felt" that he lost his power, but he never said he "felt" that he had it so it seems like a bullshit explanation)

2) I'm also of the opinion that the ending is screwed up. The timing is all off any way you look at it, and none of the explanations here help explain it. It doesn't seem like Cage chose to wake up the day before. If he actually had full control over the time it reset, he could have reset before the asteroid even hit earth so they could blow it fucking pieces before it got here.

3) Before the final battle, Cage warns the troops not to kill an alpha mimic. Why? Cage doesn't have the power anymore so if he dies he's screwed. If somebody has a chance to regain that power and ensure they have some extra chances, wouldn't it be in humanity's best interest to try and regain that power?

 

[Imp]

Domestic box office on this was pretty meh. Came in number three.

But international box office is damn good. Over a hundred million. Pretty typical for wide appeal, action movies.

 

[mistercrabby]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/edge_of_tomorrow/

I'm been interested by this one all year. Now the reviews are buzzing. Anyone else going to see it?

Very good.

 

[Aikouka]

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1) Rita warns Cage that she lost her power after a blood transfusion. Isn't this the type of power you don't realize you lost until it's too late and you're just dead? (I'm aware that Cage mentions he "felt" that he lost his power, but he never said he "felt" that he had it so it seems like a bullshit explanation)

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Well, this was definitely something that didn't exist in the book. So, it was probably shoehorned into the movie as a way to amp up the pressure. In other words, make him lose his powers so he either has to get them back (low chances of that happening) or not die.

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2) I'm also of the opinion that the ending is screwed up. The timing is all off any way you look at it, and none of the explanations here help explain it. It doesn't seem like Cage chose to wake up the day before. If he actually had full control over the time it reset, he could have reset before the asteroid even hit earth so they could blow it fucking pieces before it got here.

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Yeah, it doesn't really make all that much sense. I figure that putting him back to that one point (waking up on the luggage) would've made the most sense, but it isn't the rosiest of all endings. He would've lost his rank still. So, I'm guessing they put him back to the helicopter as a "full reset", and he keeps his rank. Yay! How did it happen? Like I mentioned earlier, the difference is that he had the blood of the Omega instead of the blood of the Alpha. What exactly does that mean? Who knows. That ending is not in the book.

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3) Before the final battle, Cage warns the troops not to kill an alpha mimic. Why? Cage doesn't have the power anymore so if he dies he's screwed. If somebody has a chance to regain that power and ensure they have some extra chances, wouldn't it be in humanity's best interest to try and regain that power?

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Only the person that gets reset retains their memories. If Cage or Verbanski didn't reset, it would probably screw everything up.

 

[Ruptga]

I just saw it, and I'm a little unsure of what I think on the whole.

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I dont mind most of the changes because I see they were done for good reason, but the ending just doesn't make sense. Granted, I had to reread the last chapter ofthe book as well, but the whole thing just smacks of a bullshit happy ending invented to placate the mouthbreathers who showed up just to watch space marines hulk-smash and blow shit up. The book had grit, and so did the movie for most of its runtime... and then psych, welcome to planet saccharine. I understand not wanting to have all the protagonists die unknown to the rest of their world, which is what we were looking at before Cage floated down onto the easy button, but surely they could have done better than that.

 

[phucheneh]

Holy fuck, I predicted this one right. Sort of.

My opinion on the movie going in was, 'aw fuck, looks like it's going over 90% on Rottentomatoes. That means a) it's going to win Oscars and b) it's going to be a piece of shit. At the very least, the ending will be fucking terrible.' Well, it turns out

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that the protagonist didn't die at the end, like in all formulaic masturbatory Oscar garbage. But me and the friend I saw the movie with both agreed- everyone dying would've been a goddamned improvement.

Pretty good flick overall. Fun to watch and the 3D was pretty good during the battles. I have some nitpicking/unanswered questions though...

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1) Rita warns Cage that she lost her power after a blood transfusion. Isn't this the type of power you don't realize you lost until it's too late and you're just dead? (I'm aware that Cage mentions he "felt" that he lost his power, but he never said he "felt" that he had it so it seems like a bullshit explanation)

2) I'm also of the opinion that the ending is screwed up. The timing is all off any way you look at it, and none of the explanations here help explain it. It doesn't seem like Cage chose to wake up the day before. If he actually had full control over the time it reset, he could have reset before the asteroid even hit earth so they could blow it fucking pieces before it got here.

3) Before the final battle, Cage warns the troops not to kill an alpha mimic. Why? Cage doesn't have the power anymore so if he dies he's screwed. If somebody has a chance to regain that power and ensure they have some extra chances, wouldn't it be in humanity's best interest to try and regain that power?

All of this.

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Number 1, I think everyone worked out once they were in the hospital. It's easy to glance over her explanation at first, but once it happens to him, the 'wait, that makes no sense' thing clicks. And it's as if it clicked with the writer, too, and he said 'oh shiz, let me tidy this up. Okay...Tom Cruise will say he felt the power leave him. Brilliant!' Ugh.

Number 3 I had trouble with. I'm still not sure what gives them the power. Killing the alpha? Getting its blood on you? I don't get it. They said if an alpha gets killed, the enemy gets the reset. So what the fuck is the trick to transferring that to the human?

And, of course...the ending. Holy fucking terrible. To quote my friend, 'it's like the movie just ejaculated and rolled over.' That made no fucking sense. Even if they wanted to save the characters from the corner they'd written themselves into, SO MANY little things would have made that better. Pick a reset point that makes some kind of sense. Don't make the events at the end of the movie ALSO time travel in some dumbfuck way. Literally everything was wrong with that ending. I'm becoming enraged just thinking about it.

The ending opened all sorts of fucking questions that I would not have even thought of, had said ending not sucked such huge cock. 'The day resets'? What the fuck does that mean? Resets to when? What time zone? Makes no logical sense, now that I think about it; and I'm only thinking about it BECAUSE YOUR ENDING WAS SO FUCKING STUPID.

 

[Ruptga]

I'm hoping we get a directors cut or something with a different, better ending. The rest of the movie had some flaws but it was fine, but the ending felt way too much like that bullshit in Mass Effect 3.

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No real resolution, and nothing the characters did actually mattered.

I'm really not one to mess with special cuts or re-releases either, but in this case I think I would make an exception.

 

[BeeBoop]

Saw it again in 3D with another group of people. Not worth the 3D. It feels like this movie wasn't made for 3D because nothing pops out at you. It's mostly a depth of field view.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Saw it again in 3D with another group of people. Not worth the 3D. It feels like this movie wasn't made for 3D because nothing pops out at you. It's mostly a depth of field view.

Wait. The fact that there is no gimmicky BS is a good thing. Was the office putter scene in Avatar really that mind blowing ... and necessary? I just remember seeing that and thinking about how bad this movie was going to be. I was right. Avatar's story sucked. Same old story, different make up. FWIW: I am 38 and most movies are boring to me because they are a retelling of an already existing story 100 times over.

 

[Genx87]

Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it.

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It resets to a time when he wakes up. Why? I have no idea. Maybe it is a conscious thing? It also is possible the reset at the end was on purpose by the mimic Omega. It sends Cage back to the helicopter and on track in that timeline where the mimics are gone. Meaning cage in whatever timeline the mimic resets to wont be a problem and can continue to destroy humanity.

Anyways I thought the movie pretty good and comical at times.

 

[rh71]

Also, is it just a touch ironic that a producer has a problem titling his work "kill" but absolutely no problem showing tons of killing throughout the film? "Yeah, there's a lot of killing taking place in it, but we aren't beaten you over the head with it in the TITLE for God's sake..." That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

Marketing. To be honest if I see the word kill in a movie title I think of 2nd-rate thoughtless action movies.

 

[smackababy]

3)

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Before the final battle, Cage warns the troops not to kill an alpha mimic. Why? Cage doesn't have the power anymore so if he dies he's screwed. If somebody has a chance to regain that power and ensure they have some extra chances, wouldn't it be in humanity's best interest to try and regain that power?

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The way it works was when an alpha was killed, the Omega resets the day. When Tom Cruise initially killed the alpha, he absorbed his blood. So, when he died, the Omega reset and he retained his memories. If they killed an Alpha during the final battle, the Omega would have reset and they would have no knowledge of what happened.

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As far as the ending goes, I wasn't a huge fan of it. It was far too Hollywood and didn't make a ton of sense, unless they are trying to imply there is another Omega and it just reset the day to a further save point. The book sounds like it had a much better, and far less Hollywood, resolution.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I saw this movie on Saturday. I thought it was awesome. I notice that there are a lot of questions about the ending. Here's my take on it:

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When Cage originally got soaked in the Alpha's blood, that made the Omega treat him as though he was a normal Alpha. Every reset was a "normal" reset, sending him back to the same time of the same day with his memories intact just like an Alpha would experience. Apparently this was an involuntary response on the part of the Omega, because even after it had identified who he was it couldn't selectively choose to not reset the day when he died. I think the final reset was another involuntary response, a kind of "panic" reset triggered by catastrophic damage to the omega itself. This reset might logically go farther into the past because that would give the omega more time to avert the circumstances that caused it. Of course that only helps if the omega survives the damage in the first place, which it did not. Still, if it's involuntary the omega had no more choice in that than it did any of the other resets.

Anyway, the people who are saying that it was for the happy ending are probably right ultimately. It's easy to come up with a scenario that justifies it and is internally consistent with the rest of the movie though.

 

[smackababy]

I saw this movie on Saturday. I thought it was awesome. I notice that there are a lot of questions about the ending. Here's my take on it:

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When Cage originally got soaked in the Alpha's blood, that made the Omega treat him as though he was a normal Alpha. Every reset was a "normal" reset, sending him back to the same time of the same day with his memories intact just like an Alpha would experience. Apparently this was an involuntary response on the part of the Omega, because even after it had identified who he was it couldn't selectively choose to not reset the day when he died. I think the final reset was another involuntary response, a kind of "panic" reset triggered by catastrophic damage to the omega itself. This reset might logically go farther into the past because that would give the omega more time to avert the circumstances that caused it. Of course that only helps if the omega survives the damage in the first place, which it did not. Still, if it's involuntary the omega had no more choice in that than it did any of the other resets.

Anyway, the people who are saying that it was for the happy ending are probably right ultimately. It's easy to come up with a scenario that justifies it and is internally consistent with the rest of the movie though.

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My take on why, even after being identified, Cage continues to reset, is that the Omega doesn't have the ability to selectively reset (leave Cage out of the loop) and it didn't have a way of telling whether it was the human or a real Alpha. So, it just resets.

My main complaint is that after getting useful information, Cage didn't reset and use that new information. Once he learned the actual location of the Omega, why didn't he just reset right then? They then had more time to prevent the invasion and did not have to deal with escaping the embassy.

 

[SP33Demon]

cruuuuuuuiiiiiiiiise!

 

[Phanuel]

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My take on why, even after being identified, Cage continues to reset, is that the Omega doesn't have the ability to selectively reset (leave Cage out of the loop) and it didn't have a way of telling whether it was the human or a real Alpha. So, it just resets.

My main complaint is that after getting useful information, Cage didn't reset and use that new information. Once he learned the actual location of the Omega, why didn't he just reset right then? They then had more time to prevent the invasion and did not have to deal with escaping the embassy.

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I think it's because once the Omega knows he knows where it is, a reset would allow it time to relocate. Then he'd have to do the Whitehall thing all over again.

 

[phucheneh]

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I think it's because once the Omega knows he knows where it is, a reset would allow it time to relocate. Then he'd have to do the Whitehall thing all over again.

I don't think it knows what he knows.

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The enemy never evolved with Cage throughout the movie. This is actually kind of another big plot hole...if the enemy was 'tricked' into thinking Cage was an alpha, and the omega controlled the resets (a defense mechanism triggered by an alpha/Cage's death), you'd think the mimic horde would be continually adapting. But it wasn't.

The big question is whether you choose to believe that Cage retained his ability after waking up in the hospital, and perhaps had been through the 'end game' many times over. This requires you to choose to believe that the movie is intentionally edited to confuse you, i.e. it shows you the run through to get the device, and his first time waking up in the hospital, but then skips to the 'successful' ending. This option is actually kind of growing on me as a mechanism for providing closure for their shit ending. Cage's smile at the end is because he accomplished the same thing he did earlier after the farmhouse battle- he saved the girl by letting her go. Maybe he had played through the ending as the decoy a hundred times, but finally had to try letting her run out to certain death while he did the deed himself, not knowing what the end result would be.

 

[smackababy]

I don't think it knows what he knows.

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The enemy never evolved with Cage throughout the movie. This is actually kind of another big plot hole...if the enemy was 'tricked' into thinking Cage was an alpha, and the omega controlled the resets (a defense mechanism triggered by an alpha/Cage's death), you'd think the mimic horde would be continually adapting. But it wasn't.

The big question is whether you choose to believe that Cage retained his ability after waking up in the hospital, and perhaps had been through the 'end game' many times over. This requires you to choose to believe that the movie is intentionally edited to confuse you, i.e. it shows you the run through to get the device, and his first time waking up in the hospital, but then skips to the 'successful' ending. This option is actually kind of growing on me as a mechanism for providing closure for their shit ending. Cage's smile at the end is because he accomplished the same thing he did earlier after the farmhouse battle- he saved the girl by letting her go. Maybe he had played through the ending as the decoy a hundred times, but finally had to try letting her run out to certain death while he did the deed himself, not knowing what the end result would be.

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It is kind of strange, because he wakes up in the hospital and his eyes do the same thing they had before. What I want to believe is that, just like Verdun, the Omega realizes that they have to lose, and in losing, they can win at a later date. The final loop gives Cage hope that he has won, and thus, he stops fighting. So, in essence, the Omega actually does adapt, we just are left to believe somehow Cage loops, retains knowledge, and the battle is over.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I don't think it knows what he knows.

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The enemy never evolved with Cage throughout the movie. This is actually kind of another big plot hole...if the enemy was 'tricked' into thinking Cage was an alpha, and the omega controlled the resets (a defense mechanism triggered by an alpha/Cage's death), you'd think the mimic horde would be continually adapting. But it wasn't.

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I thought this was a pretty big plot hole too. If the omega actually controlled all the lesser mimics and remembered what happened in every loop, EVERYTHING would be different every loop. Every mimic Cage or any other soldier killed in one loop would act differently in the next. It would truly be an impossible enemy to beat even if you had the power to reset the timeline. What we have to assume for things to make sense is that only the alpha that dies to initiate the reset retains any memories of the previous timeline, and the omega has some method of gaining that information from the Alpha at the beginning of the next loop. That means that since Cage has essentially taken the place of the dead Alpha, only he remembers anything from previous loops. Not the Omega, not any of the other Alphas. Just him. It would explain why the mimics act the same every time, and why the Omega is so slow to even become aware of what's happening. Perhaps the mental connection that the Omega would normally use to update itself about the previous loop still exists, hence it's eventual ability to send images to Cage, but it doesn't work as well due to Cage's mind not being compatible with the Omega. That is also a possible explanation for why Cage "felt" when he was out of the loop. What he was really feeling was the breaking of his mental connection to the Omega.

Of course all this is just me talking out of my ass because the movie didn't explain any of it. I find it more fun to take what the movie gives me and try to build an internally consistent explanation for it than just declare it bullshit and move on though.

 

[waggy]

see this is proof that trying to overthink a good action movie ruins it! lol

 

[smackababy]

see this is proof that trying to overthink a good action movie ruins it! lol

Best for us to overthink it than the writer / director. We end up with concepts that are cool, but completely ruined as they are never fully explore or simply terrible; see The Purge or In Time for examples.

The Purge could have been a movie exploring the disproportionate effects on economic status that government decisions often have (the poor suffering far more than the rich in the purging). But, instead, they hired Ethan Hawk and made a terrible movie.

 

[phucheneh]

The problem is that it's really just lazy writing. This is much like all the nerd-debate over The Matrix movies. Or Lost. Stuff like that.

Best case scenario, the writers and directors wanted things to be open, and let the audiences reach their own conclusions. Inception is a good cinematic example of that...I'm pretty sure when asked 'did the top stop spinning' or 'was Leo still dreaming,' Christopher Nolan has said something to the extent of 'I don't know. Pick whichever option you prefer.'

And that shit is a lazy cop-out.

But what's even worse is when the writer is just like 'sure, this makes enough sense...whatever...can I have money now?' I think Edge of Tomorrow is a lot closer to that. You can try and find proposed explanations that you agree with, but in the end, they are all just pure fabrications by people wanting closure.

It would be easier to overlook if the rest of this movie was simply not as good as it is. And it is, indeed, quite good. If they didn't want people to think about it, they should have gone with a simpler concept. Really, they did quite a good job of just keeping you busy and making you not question the inevitable paradoxes that plots involving time travel, alternate realities, ect create. You focus more on the characters. You get just enough repetition to get a good sense of how awful such a situation would be. You see Cage cope with humor, anger, fustration, ect. You start to realize 'awww, he's so in love with this woman, but it's an entirely one-sided relationship.' It's a little past a mindless action movie, IMO. And it's a shame that all it really needed was a tiny bit more polish on the script to make it a truly great movie.

 

[Cuular]

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My take on why, even after being identified, Cage continues to reset, is that the Omega doesn't have the ability to selectively reset (leave Cage out of the loop) and it didn't have a way of telling whether it was the human or a real Alpha. So, it just resets.

My main complaint is that after getting useful information, Cage didn't reset and use that new information. Once he learned the actual location of the Omega, why didn't he just reset right then? They then had more time to prevent the invasion and did not have to deal with escaping the embassy.

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My understanding is the neither the Alpha or the Omega can selectively reset. When the Alpha gets killed that triggers the omega to reset it, and they mentioned somewhere in the movie the time frame it had been restting to, 36 hours or something like that.

And that explains why the there was the "Do Not Kill" order on the alpha after "Cage" lost it. They need to kill the omega to reset back to the time before the omega hit earth. And started the cycle. Killing the Alpha before the Omega means they are letting the aliens win, because it would have reset without a human being the alpha and resetting on their death.