Early Warning Signs of Fascism: A point by point discussion.

[agent00f]

Is it just me, or are you trying really hard to find ways to marginalize and insult me, instead of engaging in the exchange of ideas? Is this it, then, can you really find nothing civil, or better yet, compelling to say? I'll admit that I might be challenging your world view a bit, but I'd prefer to come away with a bit of understanding instead of the usual hard feelings...

I think it's pretty insightful the reaction to what the facts say about you & peers: worthless righteous indignation pretending to some kind of virtue.

 

[desura]

Is it just me, or are you trying really hard to find ways to marginalize and insult me, instead of engaging in the exchange of ideas? Is this it, then, can you really find nothing civil, or better yet, compelling to say? I'll admit that I might be challenging your world view a bit, but I'd prefer to come away with a bit of understanding instead of the usual hard feelings...

You don't have this guy on your ignore list already?

The mods agree with him politically and that is why they tolerate him. It sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[crashtech]

I think it's pretty insightful the reaction to what the facts say about you & peers: worthless righteous indignation pretending to some kind of virtue.

Too bad your words don't say anything at all, they're just completely void of content. You pretend to have facts on your side, but all you have are hollow generalizations and justifications for hatred. I'm not indignant, I'm sad, mainly.

 

[agent00f]

Too bad your words don't say anything at all, they're just completely void of content. You pretend to have facts on your side, but all you have are hollow generalizations and justifications for hatred. I'm not indignant, I'm sad, mainly.

I linked you & peers to facts not a few posts back despite totally expecting degenerates to not only remain willfully ignorant but also pretend that never happened. These are evidently not discussions about facts but degeneracy.

You don't have this guy on your ignore list already?

The mods agree with him politically and that is why they tolerate him. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Speaking of peers, here's exhibit B of the next predictably step in degeneracy.

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It's easy to tell degenerates from everyone else because rational people are informed by facts where the former will always double down on what they were set to do all along.

 

[crashtech]

I linked you & peers to facts not a few posts back despite totally expecting degenerates to not only remain willfully ignorant but also pretend that never happened. These are evidently not discussions about facts but degeneracy.

Data like that are open to interpretation though. I think it's fairly obvious that racists who have a problem with black people will gravitate toward the GOP by default, since black people are overwhelmingly Democrat. That sucks for Republicans who aren't racist (a plurality, in my opinion), because guilt by association is a powerful thing, as evidenced by your insulting refusals to even have a civil dialogue with me. And hell, I'm not even a Republican! I'm a center-right libertarian, and as such am not represented by our political system.

This is such a shitty waste of time. I'm only really here because I feel too sick to work much.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm positive that virtually all the people I've talked to don't even think much about race at all when it comes to politics.

They probably don't think much about air, either, but it matters.

People have to think about race to overcome the "otherness" of different races & to see them as equals.

Lyndon Johnson knew the truth-

http://www.snopes.com/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/

Too many people never will.

 

[crashtech]

They probably don't think much about air, either, but it matters.

People have to think about race to overcome the "otherness" of different races & to see them as equals.

Lyndon Johnson knew the truth-

http://www.snopes.com/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/

Too many people never will.

I have a strong feeling that time is continuing to improve this. Breakdowns of the demographics of racism bear this out. I was certainly never brought up to think whites were superior to blacks, but to my grandparents, to them this horrible ideology was accepted as self-evident. To the extent that I was infected with any racist views, I repudiate them and certainly do my damnest not to impart anything like that to my kids.

 

[agent00f]

Data like that are open to interpretation though. I think it's fairly obvious that racists who have a problem with black people will gravitate toward the GOP by default, since black people are overwhelmingly Democrat. That sucks for Republicans who aren't racist (a plurality, in my opinion), because guilt by association is a powerful thing, as evidenced by your insulting refusals to even have a civil dialogue with me. And hell, I'm not even a Republican! I'm a center-right libertarian, and as such am not represented by our political system.

This is such a shitty waste of time. I'm only really here because I feel too sick to work much.

It's only "open to interpretation" for degenerates who're prone to apologetics as to why they always end up siding politically with the anti-civil rights, pro white nationalism crowd. Keep in mind everyone remembers there were over a dozen alternatives who weren't all about mexican-rapists, arab-terrorists, and king of birthers--no matter how much degenerates like to pretend for the liberals that they got tricked into voting for personal self-interest.

 

[crashtech]

It's only "open to interpretation" for degenerates who're prone to apologetics as to why they always end up siding with the anti-civil rights, pro white nationalism crowd. Keep in mind everyone remembers there were over a dozen alternatives who weren't all about mexican-rapists, arab-terrorists, and king of birthers.

I really need to find out if you are considered a respected poster around these parts. Good God, I hope not. You are what's wrong with online discussions these days, imo. I'm someone who makes the case to my conservative friends and family on such issues as marijuana legalization and military overreach, but what have you given me to tell them? Nothing, except that some douche on the Internet thinks they are all "degenerates." Gee, thanks.

 

[agent00f]

I really need to find out if you are considered a respected poster around these parts. Good God, I hope not. You are what's wrong with online discussions these days, imo. I'm someone who makes the case to my conservative friends and family on such issues as marijuana legalization and military overreach, but what have you given me to tell them? Nothing, except that some douche on the Internet thinks they are all "degenerates." Gee, thanks.

Many liberals are in the business of offering reasoned explanations to everyone including degens. As already mentioned it's trivial to see what use degenerates have for such things in contrast to everyone else.

Since liberals are prone to optimism, that such folks are just stupid instead of degenerate, they just keep rehashing the facts/reasoning with smaller words in a futile exercise due to that erroneous assumption.

 

[crashtech]

Many liberals are in the business of offering reasoned explanations to everyone including degens. As already mentioned it's trivial to see what use degenerates have for such things in contrast to everyone else.

Since liberals are prone to optimism, that such folks are just stupid instead of degenerate, they just keep rehashing the facts/reasoning with smaller words in a futile exercise due to that erroneous assumption.

That's better, although some of your words still might be a little too big...

 

[Blue_Max]

I have a strong feeling that time is continuing to improve this. Breakdowns of the demographics of racism bear this out. I was certainly never brought up to think whites were superior to blacks, but to my grandparents, to them this horrible ideology was accepted as self-evident. To the extent that I was infected with any racist views, I repudiate them and certainly do my damnest not to impart anything like that to my kids.

One speaker I listened to recently has a great point on that fact. One of the key elements of why Antifa/BLM/SJW's/etc are acting in such authoritarian, violent, and fascist ways is because they're simply impatient. They can't see the good changes happening and they want that "better world" right-freakin'-now. (Very millennial attitude.)

Reform, integration, baking... these things all take time to adjust for every microcosm along the way.

 

[agent00f]

One speaker I listened to recently has a great point on that fact. One of the key elements of why Antifa/BLM/SJW's/etc are acting in such authoritarian, violent, and fascist ways is because they're simply impatient. They can't see the good changes happening and they want that "better world" right-freakin'-now. (Very millennial attitude.)

Reform, integration, baking... these things all take time to adjust for every microcosm along the way.

Looks to be parroting predecessors from the 50's about the civil rights movement or such.

 

[Jhhnn]

I have a strong feeling that time is continuing to improve this. Breakdowns of the demographics of racism bear this out. I was certainly never brought up to think whites were superior to blacks, but to my grandparents, to them this horrible ideology was accepted as self-evident. To the extent that I was infected with any racist views, I repudiate them and certainly do my damnest not to impart anything like that to my kids.

Agreed. It requires conscious effort to get there. Too many people just go with the feels...

 

[agent00f]

Agreed. It requires conscious effort to get there. Too many people just go with the feels...

The benefits were simply greater back in the day, which is why they advocate a return to that time. Seems pretty well calculated to me.

 

[jackstar7]

One.

So no reply then?

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

> Reform, integration, baking... these things all take time to adjust for every microcosm along the way.

Yeah and if everyone went along with this black people would still be slaves. Fuck this, and fuck you for even thinking of saying it, let alone actually saying it. God, you're so completely naive and spoiled and over-privileged it's nauseating.

 

[Jhhnn]

The benefits were simply greater back in the day, which is why they advocate a return to that time. Seems pretty well calculated to me.

I don't think there ever was any real benefit. Lyndon Johnson knew it, too.

 

[Amused]

Not so much stupid but more like fighting the last battle. Op here sounds like he relishes fascism because being anti-fascism gives him purpose and righteousness that otherwise he completely lacks in this society. There is more prestige in European battles with clear cut European foes than there is with 3rd world peoples. Opposing fasicsm for the op has a purity to it that opposing Islamic terrorism does not.

I'm retired Army. WTF do you think we were doing? Having glow stick parties in the Middle East?

And from what post do you see me saying I do not oppose Islamic (more like Arab extremist) Terrorism? The only thing I have said on the subject here is treating every Muslim as suspect would be akin to treating every Christian as suspect because of the KKK. I oppose terrorists of all extremist ideologies. However, I am treating that issue with the relative concern it requires, It is not the extreme threat the right wing propaganda is telling everyone it is. I know, statistically, in the US, I stand a higher chance of being killed by just about any other way, including by right wing extremists, than I do by Muslim Extremists. Why? Because I can put things into logical, realistic, statistical perspective.

Meanwhile, the same fear mongering and scapegoating that has given rise to every previous fascist state on Earth is happening in my own country. I've never feared my country becoming fascist before. This is not a common theme with me. The rise of Trump and the fascist extremist racists that support him is new in this country. And thus my warnings.

 

[agent00f]

I don't think there ever was any real benefit. Lyndon Jonson knew it, too.

No, it used to be even better to be white.

 

[agent00f]

No, it used to be even better to be white.

I'll elaborate on this further since apparently even some liberals have trouble figuring it:

Considered the case of Bill OReilly, a person of no particular intellectual talent other than acting the immaculate stereotype of righteous white man. Yet by simply dressing well and blustering like he owned the place (as we typically see from peers here) is automatically conferred a level of respect/status. Contrast that to how the O'Reilly types treat an actual respectable black prof similarly well kept:

To hammer home the point, it's not hard to figure whom among those two is more qualified for an exec decision making position, and who is much more likely to actually obtain that status. There's also no contention that such world is in the interest of such folks, and well worth trading political support for, whether it's the 1930's or 2010's.

 

[desura]

I'm retired Army. WTF do you think we were doing? Having glow stick parties in the Middle East?

And from what post do you see me saying I do not oppose Islamic (more like Arab extremist) Terrorism? The only thing I have said on the subject here is treating every Muslim as suspect would be akin to treating every Christian as suspect because of the KKK. I oppose terrorists of all extremist ideologies. However, I am treating that issue with the relative concern it requires, It is not the extreme threat the right wing propaganda is telling everyone it is. I know, statistically, in the US, I stand a higher chance of being killed by just about any other way, including by right wing extremists, than I do by Muslim Extremists. Why? Because I can put things into logical, realistic, statistical perspective.

Meanwhile, the same fear mongering and scapegoating that has given rise to every previous fascist state on Earth is happening in my own country. I've never feared my country becoming fascist before. This is not a common theme with me. The rise of Trump and the fascist extremist racists that support him is new in this country. And thus my warnings.

It isn't the extreme threat because it is under 1% of the population. But current trends are that it will increase in population in the coming decades. And that is assuming that there is not a series of Syria-like wars which create floods of refugees. With climate change, it looks like that is increasingly likely. France appears to be having a hell of a time with their Islamic population. I do not want that situation here. That is called looking at current trends, and looking honestly at per-capita statistics.

History will often rhyme, but it does not repeat itself. You know who else thought that Hitler was around the corner? George W. Bush. We see antifa extremists basically seeking out a Hitler for them to assault and probably murder in the coming few months.

 

[Jhhnn]

It isn't the extreme threat because it is under 1% of the population. But current trends are that it will increase in population in the coming decades. And that is assuming that there is not a series of Syria-like wars which create floods of refugees. With climate change, it looks like that is increasingly likely. France appears to be having a hell of a time with their Islamic population. I do not want that situation here. That is called looking at current trends, and looking honestly at per-capita statistics.

History will often rhyme, but it does not repeat itself. You know who else thought that Hitler was around the corner? George W. Bush. We see antifa extremists basically seeking out a Hitler for them to assault and probably murder in the coming few months.

Yes, Antifa, a much smaller movement than deep seated White Nationalism, is the real threat, obviously. Well, somewhere in the post-truth continuum of Trump, anyway.

And our barriers to Muslim immigrants (like the Atlantic Ocean) are no greater than for France, either.

 

[crashtech]

This 1944 article by George Orwell shows that the term "Fascism" has a long and storied history of abuse:

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

 

[agent00f]

It isn't the extreme threat because it is under 1% of the population. But current trends are that it will increase in population in the coming decades. And that is assuming that there is not a series of Syria-like wars which create floods of refugees. With climate change, it looks like that is increasingly likely. France appears to be having a hell of a time with their Islamic population. I do not want that situation here. That is called looking at current trends, and looking honestly at per-capita statistics.

History will often rhyme, but it does not repeat itself. You know who else thought that Hitler was around the corner? George W. Bush. We see antifa extremists basically seeking out a Hitler for them to assault and probably murder in the coming few months.

Non-degenerates would agree that the world would likely be a better place if Antifa of the 30's were more resolute.

This 1944 article by George Orwell shows that the term "Fascism" has a long and storied history of abuse:

Just because dumbshits don't use terms correctly doesn't mean much. Orwell as a socialist who wrote Animal Farm would be well aware of this problem.