Originally posted by: aircooled
No DVD Shrink does not suck. I have very good back-ups of ALL my DVD's using DVD Shrink, including all of the extras. All look and play phenomenally.
edit: You may have bad media. Have you tried watching your rip's from your hard drive before burning?
Have I? Uhh, YES.
I didn't keep that a secret in the original post
Also, that's crazy about extras playing phenomenally. I have yet to see a trailer or deleted scene that didn't look like ass compared to the original movie. Most are usually non-anamorphic, grainy pixelated garbage on the original DVD with the exception or the movie's own trailer (And not always). They were shrunk to fit on what was left on the DVD. Exactly what DVD Shrink does with very similar results. God, I couldn't even watch Gladiator's deleted scenes because they were so horrible to look at even on a standard TV (I was using a Hollywood+ with TV-OUT back then, as good as a non-progressive-scan DVD player can get).
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: aircooled
No DVD Shrink does not suck. I have very good back-ups of ALL my DVD's using DVD Shrink, including all of the extras. All look and play phenomenally.
I'll second that.
If you take 15 seconds to look through the menus and sound you can usually save a decent amount of space which can go towards making the video of higher quality.
Umm, I took steps man. Like I said, in all three movies I removed everything optional and even a movie which only needed to shave < 200MB to fit on the disc uncompressed had visible artifacting exactly like it did with the first attempt which DIDN'T remove the extras. I spent a lot more than 15 seconds and probably spent a lot more time than you ever have.
Originally posted by: Legendary
Maybe they're not fanboys and actually get different results than you, find it easier, and thus support the program? Does that make people fanboys? Or is that just some support for the idea that some people view things differently than others?
Well, no but both made suggestions which had clearly already been followed. I mean, thnx for trying to help but if it's clear that this has already been performed and is NOT the solution the only reason to suggest it is to support a fanboy case or feign ignorance
I'm not saying that DVD Shrink isn't OK for what people want to do with it. I'm saying that it is nowhere near the quality users claim it is. Therefore those making the claims ARE fnaboy's unless I am experiencing something unique to me. I haven't used it on a movie which would fit on one DVD without compression under any realistic circumstances (Though all my examples were somewhat-to-very close), but that is supposedly the program's ideal application and strong-point and therefore what I choose to dwell on.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
If I recall correct, it seriously compressess menus because they really aren't critical to the movie. I've seen it go down to something like 40% on some menus before.
Personally, I don't care about menus and features because I just want to watch a movie. So, I usually do a reauthor and cut it right at the start and right after the credits. I dump out any unnecessary commentary and extra soundtracks. Usually gets me a very high quality rip.
I could do a blind test amongst friends and none of them could tell which one was the original and which one was the copy.
Yeah, this looked worse than 40% but like I said: I understand that it only leaves more room for the movie so I was perfectly willing to accept that. Heck, I was perfectly willing to nix all menus and have only a movie that plays from beginning to end. I set everything possible to "slideshow" for the second attempt but the movie was almost exactly the same. It was acceptable, but certainly noticable which contradicts what I've been told about DVD Shrink. I don't have a comparison for that, as for the manu... I mean, compare what my
cell-phone did to my
original image while I was using it to get my laptop online and then imagine it as being 2x-to-3x worse in motion. That's a little bit like what the Cowboy Bebop menu looked like. Menu video quality is typically worse than the movie anyway ("Jaggies" and a little pixelation similar to the previews and extras are usually the worst of it).
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
The OP suggested that DVD Shrink does not backup DVDs properly, my own experience tells me otherwise. I simply related said experience.
Thnx. I still think that people just aren't noticing my examples. Perhaps 7 of 10 movies can fit when simply deleting all additional content and I just started with the wrong 3 titles but the impression I get is that SDVD Shrink's usefullness was way over-blown.
Originally posted by: MustISO
I only use Shrink when the movie needs 10-15% compression. Otherwise, I would use something else. A lot of movies fit fine as long as you keep just the movie and one soundtrack. I have a 51" HDTV and I think that most of the Shrink DVD's look just fine.
I saw a shootout a while back that said Intervideo DVD Copy is the best. They had captures to show just how bad many of the transcoders were.
I started off using the Ifoedit/CCE/Scenarist method but shrink is a great time saver and as long as you stay above 85%, you won't see a difference.
I've stayed well above 85% in all of my attempts with results that, while acceptable to many, certainly cannot be considered "unnoticable" as has been claimed. I'm watching it on a rather small but awesome-quality (Undisputed best-tube in the industry and highest detail per inch tube size) 30" HDTV with progressive scan DVD player in addition to comparisons on PC. If anything, the small size of my HDTV set should obscure imperfections, but these artifacts are of the same calibur that I was agonizing over with my old 21" 4:3 set and certain ORIGINAL DVDs (The Postman feature, Gladiator extras).
Originally posted by: nitsuj3580
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: IBuyUFO
what is the big 3 method?
Its a quality DVD backup method.
This will show you how to backup most DVDs with the method. Also, tons more info on
doom9.org (the premier DVD, divx, mpeg, tv capture site on the web).
after reading that 5 page tutorial, that probably is the best way to back up dvds but that's just what they are...backups. I already own the perfect original copy. I don't want to have to spend a ton of time making a back up that I'll probably never watch, just want to have in the event of a freak accident that causes the original to not work anymore.
DVDshrink I can compress all the extras and menus to the max usually resulting in very little compression loss on the actual movie. Then I hit backup and then copy with Nero and I have my backup. Surprisingly, I can't really tell the difference between the really compressed extras/the not so compressed movie and the actual original movie when I compare them in my dvd player and watch it on a 36" TV.
Yes, but please don't go telling everyone that there is no difference just because you didn't see any. In fact, don't even say there is no visible difference. This is what I am encountering elsewhere ("Firsthand" accounts "disputing" results without even having tried a direct comparison).
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: nitsuj3580
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: IBuyUFO
what is the big 3 method?
Its a quality DVD backup method.
This will show you how to backup most DVDs with the method. Also, tons more info on
doom9.org (the premier DVD, divx, mpeg, tv capture site on the web).
after reading that 5 page tutorial, that probably is the best way to back up dvds but that's just what they are...backups. I already own the perfect original copy. I don't want to have to spend a ton of time making a back up that I'll probably never watch, just want to have in the event of a freak accident that causes the original to not work anymore.
DVDshrink I can compress all the extras and menus to the max usually resulting in very little compression loss on the actual movie. Then I hit backup and then copy with Nero and I have my backup. Surprisingly, I can't really tell the difference between the really compressed extras/the not so compressed movie and the actual original movie when I compare them in my dvd player and watch it on a 36" TV.
I drive a Honda but I know there are better alternatives out there. Because I don't go out and buy a BMW or Lexus, does that make me a Honda fanboy? By your definition it does. Maybe I'm just happy with my Honda. I know, it's a crazy thought for you that might be hard to comprehend.
No, your analogy is flawed. If you cannot afford a BMW or Lexus then you can't improve your situation. However, anyone can learn and execute Big3. Its all just a matter of whether you want to learn what is actually inside a DVD and take pride in your backups or if you just want speed and are willing to sacrifice quality. Personally I take pride in my backups and when one is done I feel a sense of accomplishment, not to mention the solace I take in the fact that 90% of everyone else is settling for less.
It's worth it simply for posterity... Perhaps a friend will want to backup his DVD and you already have a Big3 one he can copy instead. Not unheard of, especially within my inner circle of friends who all seem to buy the same stuff
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: MustISO
I only use Shrink when the movie needs 10-15% compression. Otherwise, I would use something else. A lot of movies fit fine as long as you keep just the movie and one soundtrack. I have a 51" HDTV and I think that most of the Shrink DVD's look just fine.
I saw a shootout a while back that said Intervideo DVD Copy is the best. They had captures to show just how bad many of the transcoders were.
I started off using the Ifoedit/CCE/Scenarist method but shrink is a great time saver and as long as you stay above 85%, you won't see a difference.
Wow, a sensible and intelligent post in this thread?! Unbelievable!
Shrink is great for backups of DVDs which require little to no compression.
Case-in-point: I just got done backing up 8 DVDs in less than 3 hours, because they required no compression, only removed features. Can your vaunted "3-step" method (more like 8) do the same?
That is an appealing aspect which I can live with. Only problem I have is with all the people trying to claim that there is no visible or noticable drawback even when the drawbacks are obvious.
Originally posted by: Chrono
look people. wtf do you expect with transcoding methods? i heard supposedly the best transcoding software was pinnalce's instant copy. on a side note, dvdshrink is free. that is the biggest thing, plus it's all automated so you just click a button and everything is doen fory ou.
the big 3 methods take a lot of time away from you and the computer resources.
Yeah, I certainly don't expect that anymore, but I do expect people to quit misinforming people so they will not expect that.
Originally posted by: killface
Originally posted by: CZroe
OK, I've had several examples now.
First, Cowboy Bebop The Movie
I think I found the problem.
Hey, I hate anime lamers as much as the next guy but Cowboy Bebop has struck a chord. Of course, the character "Ed" epitomizes much of what I hate about "lame-ime" and it has it's fair share of Japanese transcendentializm (A stupid pointless episode or two with new-age or superstitious overtones, like the one with the Feng Shui "Gypsie")
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: killface
Originally posted by: CZroe
OK, I've had several examples now.
First, Cowboy Bebop The Movie
I think I found the problem.
What do you care what the OP wants to backup? DVD Shrink is great for backing up anime, actually. Those 8 DVDs I just backed up were of an animated television series and DVD Shrink was able to handle them so admirably because of the fact that it is anime (i.e., just tv episodes, few extra features to eat up disc space).
Yep. As noted, I expected good things from the simple compression of animation. Perhaps the artifacts are simply easier to notice on solid simplistic colors like those found in cell animation...
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