Dullard's College Football - Week 8, 2006

[kalster]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
WVU fan checking in to remind you that the title game will still be WVU/OSU. Not much changed this week except Michigan got a good scare from mediocre Iowa. I'd love to see USC or Michigan play WVU right now.

LOL! Dream on. I haven't heard anyone actually entertain such a ludicrous idea. They'll play in a weak BCS bowl like Utah did 2 years ago.

Read above, WVU has trounced their unranked opponents whereas USC needed last quarter heroics to beat the mighty (lol) Ariz St. and Washington. And Michigan needed last Q heroics vs Iowa at HOME no less. WVU would have trounced Iowa at Mountaineer Field IMO.

while I agree usc has struggled this season, arizona state, Washington and wsu are all better than eastern washington , east Carolina , and marshall (teams wvu trounced), by a big margin. so trouncing pathetic teams doesn't make your team better

Um, forgetting about Syracuse (almost beat Iowa in 2OT) and Maryland? They are much closer to the patheticness (yes I made up that word) that is AZ State and UW. USC would not, could not, and not in million years stop the speed of WVU's offense (4 WR/QB/RB that run 4.42 speed or less). Even though they did study Rodriguez's spread offense in Morgantown in the offseason.

what makes you think wvu and their defense can stop steve smith and jarrett (if they are both healthy).

If schmuck teams like AZ State and Wash could, why couldn't WVU?

read the part where I said both healthy, do you know how many injuries usc has had

So Smith and Jarrett are both Heisman hopefuls? For example, if Troy Smith or Quinn or Slaton went down then you could pull the injury card. I don't think you can give a player that much respect unless they are getting Heisman votes. Also, when's the last time a WR won a Heisman? Don't get me wrong, I think they're talented, but I don't think you can play the injury card in this case.

for a first year starting qb with freshmen running back's experienced wr's are the most important pieces.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
read the part where I said both healthy, do you know how many injuries usc has had

So Smith and Jarrett are both Heisman hopefuls? For example, if Troy Smith or Quinn or Slaton went down then you could pull the injury card. I don't think you can give a player that much respect unless they are getting Heisman votes. Also, when's the last time a WR won a Heisman? Don't get me wrong, I think they're talented, but I don't think you can play the injury card in this case.

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The WR's aren't the only one's injured. The defense has had several as well. If Arkansas could stop Auburns offense, why couldn't they stop USC's?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I love people like you who live in the past... are you sure you don't go to Notre Dame, Alabama, or USC? Nobody gives a crap about your 27 seasons and championship, all that matters is that WVU and OSU have the longest active winning streaks in the nation.

IF Washington wanted to earn some respect, they shouldn't have lost to Oregon State and needed a last quarter extra point block to barely beat the mighty Fresno State. A 2-3 record in your conference is nothing to write home to mom about, although a .500 season is much better than finishing 2-9 like last year.

The last 2 years are a result of coaching changes, injuries, players leaving, and overall confusion due to the firing of Neuheisel.

And actually people DO give a crap about all of that. I'll admit Washington has had to rebuild over the past couple years because of all the changes, but that doesn't mean they are "pathetic".

Ok, we'll just agree to call U-Dub mediocre. Happy? lol

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Even though it's one of the only ways you have to compare teams that haven't played, comparing stats/scores of common opponents is usually an exercise in futility. Here's an example:

WVU beat E. Carolina 27-10 (17 point victory)
Tulsa beat E. Carolina 31-10 (21 point victory)
BYU beat Tulsa 49-24 (25 point victory)

Is Tulsa better, or even as good as, WVU? Is BYU 29 points better than WVU? No way on both counts.

You can find dozens of such examples easily. So while it maybe entertaining to compare stats and common opponents, some of you guys need to realize that what happened in one game is usually no gauge for how another game will turn out. So all this talk about who did what to Iowa, or what WVU did to Georgia (last season no less!!), etc... is ultimately pointless.

Thanks for listening.

It's all just food for thought, no doubt. But if you seriously think that Iowa wouldn't get ass-whipped by WVU after losing to Indiana and barely beating Syracuse, then you probably go to Iowa or Michigan.

I don't go to either school (and hate Michigan with a passion) but I think Michigan would spank little Stevie Slaton and Iowa would give them a good game.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
And actually people DO give a crap about all of that. I'll admit Washington has had to rebuild over the past couple years because of all the changes, but that doesn't mean they are "pathetic".

Ok, we'll just agree to call U-Dub mediocre. Happy? lol

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Enjoy WVU's "success" while you can. They can't hide in a crappy conference forever.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
The WR's aren't the only one's injured. The defense has had several as well. If Arkansas could stop Auburns offense, why couldn't they stop USC's?

Auburn runs and USC throws. Arkansas played horrbily and gave USC 31 points off turn overs (USC had very short fields). Arkansas had 0 turn overs against Auburn. Arkansas' stud running back wasn't even supposed to play that game, he was still recovering from foot surgery. Arkansas' starting QB from last season was out with a back injury and they didn't want to put their true freshman QB into that type of game. Arkansas has a new offensive coordinator who was coaching HS last year... first big game, don't ya think? And, yes, Arkansas' secondary is definitely a weak point.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Feldenak

IIRC, Iowa was decimated by injuries for that game.

Do you follow college football in general or just WVU?

Name EXACTLY who was injured aside from Tate. Ever heard the saying, one man a team does not make? They had Sims and Young, their starting backs. They had their best receiver (TE Chandler). To have to use a goal line stand versus SYRACUSE in 2OT is absolutely pathetic, and the notion that you would even blame the game on "injuries" is hilarious. The B Team should have trounced Syracuse, they are the whipping boy of the Big East. Iowa is overrated and WVU would absolutely destroy them at Mountaineer Field. Hell, Iowa lost to freaking INDIANA who is ranked even lower than SYRACUSE on Dullard's list (61 vs 67). Now I have to ask, do you follow college football in general or just Iowa?

I like how u conveniently pound on Iowa and ignore all the posts concerning UM vs WVU.

Seriously what your opinion of WVU vs UM.

Cuz I have a hunch that if UM stops the running game of WVU, well ballgames over.

Seriously, it would be a very entertaining game because it would be two juggernauts colliding: WVU's high powered run vs Michigan's very good run D. It's hard to say who would win. However, I think Pat White would create big problems for them because Michigan hasn't faced a Micheal Vick type guy who is a rushing first QB and can pass on the run with success as well. He has a very high completion %, although he is young and will throw some INTs if the coverage is right. On the flipside, I think WVU would have trouble stopping Hart since Run D is their weakness and pass D more their strength.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
WVU fan checking in to remind you that the title game will still be WVU/OSU. Not much changed this week except Michigan got a good scare from mediocre Iowa. I'd love to see USC or Michigan play WVU right now.

LOL! Dream on. I haven't heard anyone actually entertain such a ludicrous idea. They'll play in a weak BCS bowl like Utah did 2 years ago.

Read above, WVU has trounced their unranked opponents whereas USC needed last quarter heroics to beat the mighty (lol) Ariz St. and Washington. And Michigan needed last Q heroics vs Iowa at HOME no less. WVU would have trounced Iowa at Mountaineer Field IMO.

while I agree usc has struggled this season, arizona state, Washington and wsu are all better than eastern washington , east Carolina , and marshall (teams wvu trounced), by a big margin. so trouncing pathetic teams doesn't make your team better

Um, forgetting about Syracuse (almost beat Iowa in 2OT) and Maryland? They are much closer to the patheticness (yes I made up that word) that is AZ State and UW. USC would not, could not, and not in million years stop the speed of WVU's offense (4 WR/QB/RB that run 4.42 speed or less). Even though they did study Rodriguez's spread offense in Morgantown in the offseason.

what makes you think wvu and their defense can stop steve smith and jarrett (if they are both healthy).

If schmuck teams like AZ State and Wash could, why couldn't WVU?

read the part where I said both healthy, do you know how many injuries usc has had

So Smith and Jarrett are both Heisman hopefuls? For example, if Troy Smith or Quinn or Slaton went down then you could pull the injury card. I don't think you can give a player that much respect unless they are getting Heisman votes. Also, when's the last time a WR won a Heisman? Don't get me wrong, I think they're talented, but I don't think you can play the injury card in this case.

You're kidding, right?

A team loses two starters at receiver and you don't expect them to severely underperform below their abilities?

...for the sole reason that neither of those two starters are in the top 5 players in the country?

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

You're kidding, right?

A team loses two starters at receiver and you don't expect them to severely underperform below their abilities?

USC? Not really.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
read the part where I said both healthy, do you know how many injuries usc has had

So Smith and Jarrett are both Heisman hopefuls? For example, if Troy Smith or Quinn or Slaton went down then you could pull the injury card. I don't think you can give a player that much respect unless they are getting Heisman votes. Also, when's the last time a WR won a Heisman? Don't get me wrong, I think they're talented, but I don't think you can play the injury card in this case.

The WR's aren't the only one's injured. The defense has had several as well. If Arkansas could stop Auburns offense, why couldn't they stop USC's?[/quote]
Auburn's offense isn't exactly good... and they don't have aerial threats like USC.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
You're kidding, right?

A team loses two starters at receiver and you don't expect them to severely underperform below their abilities?

...for the sole reason that neither of those two starters are in the top 5 players in the country?

Where are they ranked nationally among WR's? Are they better than GT's Calvin Johnson or on the same level (not IMO)? If Calvin went down, you could definitely play the injury card because he is the best in the country if not top 2. But I don't think you could say that for USC. Also, you can't deny that USC's recruiting is phenomenal.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
You're kidding, right?

A team loses two starters at receiver and you don't expect them to severely underperform below their abilities?

...for the sole reason that neither of those two starters are in the top 5 players in the country?

Where are they ranked nationally among WR's? Are they better than GT's Calvin Johnson or on the same level (not IMO)? If Calvin went down, you could definitely play the injury card because he is the best in the country if not top 2. But I don't think you could say that for USC.

Why do they even have to be a top receiver nationally? They both start at receiver because they're better than the other receivers USC has. Thus, when they're gone, USC has to play receivers who are not as good.

I'm not sure what's confusing about that logic.

Also, you can't deny that USC's recruiting is phenomenal.

When did I say anything bad about USC's recruiting?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
You're kidding, right?

A team loses two starters at receiver and you don't expect them to severely underperform below their abilities?

...for the sole reason that neither of those two starters are in the top 5 players in the country?

Where are they ranked nationally among WR's? Are they better than GT's Calvin Johnson or on the same level (not IMO)? If Calvin went down, you could definitely play the injury card because he is the best in the country if not top 2. But I don't think you could say that for USC.

Why do they even have to be a top receiver nationally? They both start at receiver because they're better than the other receivers USC has. Thus, when they're gone, USC has to play receivers who are not as good.

I'm not sure what's confusing about that logic.

Also, you can't deny that USC's recruiting is phenomenal.

When did I say anything bad about USC's recruiting?

My main point is that if the receivers aren't Heisman hopefuls (i.e. gamebreakers), then you shouldn't be making any injury excuses for USC's very weak performances like vs AZ St or UW. The recruiting refers to the fact that since neither of those receivers has gamebreaking ability, then their backups should be almost as good given USC's sick recruiting. So to summarize, IMO the starting receivers on USC should not be used as an excuse for barely winning games vs teams they should be demolishing (if they really deserved the #3 team in the nation slot IMO).

 

[kalster]

did u not read the part where i said with a first year starting qb, experienced receivers are key?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: kalster
did u not read the part where i said with a first year starting qb, experienced receivers are key?

Why stop there? Coaches are the key, an experienced RB is key, an experienced TE is key, experienced O.Linemen are key. See how silly it sounds now? Again, WR's do not make or a break a game unless they're Heisman hopefuls. See Desmond Howard, Larry Fitzgerald (from Pitt a couple years back), or Calvin Johnson. Noone on USC has that ability so don't use WR's as an excuse.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster
did u not read the part where i said with a first year starting qb, experienced receivers are key?

Why stop there? Coaches are the key, an experienced RB is key, an experienced TE is key, experienced O.Linemen are key. See how silly it sounds now? Again, WR's do not make or a break a game unless they're Heisman hopefuls. See Desmond Howard, Larry Fitzgerald (from Pitt a couple years back), or Calvin Johnson. Noone on USC has that ability so don't use WR's as an excuse.

so your argument is that wvu is better than usc because they beat their opponents with a combined loosing record (20-32) convincingly where as usc (with injuries) beat 2 top 20 teams and while struggled against other teams (all but arizona have winning record btw),


makes a lot of sense

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
You're kidding, right?

A team loses two starters at receiver and you don't expect them to severely underperform below their abilities?

...for the sole reason that neither of those two starters are in the top 5 players in the country?

Where are they ranked nationally among WR's? Are they better than GT's Calvin Johnson or on the same level (not IMO)? If Calvin went down, you could definitely play the injury card because he is the best in the country if not top 2. But I don't think you could say that for USC.

Why do they even have to be a top receiver nationally? They both start at receiver because they're better than the other receivers USC has. Thus, when they're gone, USC has to play receivers who are not as good.

I'm not sure what's confusing about that logic.

Also, you can't deny that USC's recruiting is phenomenal.

When did I say anything bad about USC's recruiting?

My main point is that if the receivers aren't Heisman hopefuls (i.e. gamebreakers), then you shouldn't be making any injury excuses for USC's very weak performances like vs AZ St or UW. The recruiting refers to the fact that since neither of those receivers has gamebreaking ability, then their backups should be almost as good given USC's sick recruiting. So to summarize, IMO the starting receivers on USC should not be used as an excuse for barely winning games vs teams they should be demolishing (if they really deserved the #3 team in the nation slot IMO).

Two starters who play the same position won't affect a team's performance?

Tell that to 1st-year starter Booty...I bet he really would prefer the better targets

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster
did u not read the part where i said with a first year starting qb, experienced receivers are key?

Why stop there? Coaches are the key, an experienced RB is key, an experienced TE is key, experienced O.Linemen are key. See how silly it sounds now? Again, WR's do not make or a break a game unless they're Heisman hopefuls. See Desmond Howard, Larry Fitzgerald (from Pitt a couple years back), or Calvin Johnson. Noone on USC has that ability so don't use WR's as an excuse.

Who said they're the key?

Their injuries make USC worse than it would be if they were healthy. How is that difficult?

 

[Thraxen]

USC pulled this same stunt a couple of years ago when they won the national championship. USC having close games in the middle of the season is not abnormal by any means... injuries or not. And, yes, USC can likely absorb injuries better than most teams.

So, Sp33Demon, USC having close calls means nothing. b0mberman/kalster, quit trying to act like USC is crippled due to injuries.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Feldenak

IIRC, Iowa was decimated by injuries for that game.

Do you follow college football in general or just WVU?

Name EXACTLY who was injured aside from Tate. Ever heard the saying, one man a team does not make? They had Sims and Young, their starting backs. They had their best receiver (TE Chandler). To have to use a goal line stand versus SYRACUSE in 2OT is absolutely pathetic, and the notion that you would even blame the game on "injuries" is hilarious. The B Team should have trounced Syracuse, they are the whipping boy of the Big East. Iowa is overrated and WVU would absolutely destroy them at Mountaineer Field. Hell, Iowa lost to freaking INDIANA who is ranked even lower than SYRACUSE on Dullard's list (61 vs 67). Now I have to ask, do you follow college football in general or just Iowa?

I like how u conveniently pound on Iowa and ignore all the posts concerning UM vs WVU.

Seriously what your opinion of WVU vs UM.

Cuz I have a hunch that if UM stops the running game of WVU, well ballgames over.

Seriously, it would be a very entertaining game because it would be two juggernauts colliding: WVU's high powered run vs Michigan's very good run D. It's hard to say who would win. However, I think Pat White would create big problems for them because Michigan hasn't faced a Micheal Vick type guy who is a rushing first QB and can pass on the run with success as well. He has a very high completion %, although he is young and will throw some INTs if the coverage is right. On the flipside, I think WVU would have trouble stopping Hart since Run D is their weakness and pass D more their strength.

Um....yes Michigan has faced a Mike Vick type QB, they've played Troy Smith couple years running. Granted they have a hard time stopping him, but Pat White is nowhere NEAR the level of skill/experience as Smith. However here is the thing, I dont have many doubts that UM would stop Slaton, which makes the game one sided which put the onus to perform on the QB. At that point, White really isnt the greatest QB.

EDIT: looking over offensive stats, WVU is a very one sided team. They run the ball.

For WVU
White has 822yards, 6TDs, 5INTs and 68.8comp pct
Slaton has 1117 yards and 9 TDs rushing
White has 640 yards and 9 TDs rushing

For UM
Henne has 1502 yards, 14TDs, 5INTs, 61.5 comp pct
Hart has 1057 yards and 8 TD rushing

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: kalster
did u not read the part where i said with a first year starting qb, experienced receivers are key?

Why stop there? Coaches are the key, an experienced RB is key, an experienced TE is key, experienced O.Linemen are key. See how silly it sounds now? Again, WR's do not make or a break a game unless they're Heisman hopefuls. See Desmond Howard, Larry Fitzgerald (from Pitt a couple years back), or Calvin Johnson. Noone on USC has that ability so don't use WR's as an excuse.

so your argument is that wvu is better than usc because they beat their opponents with a combined loosing record (20-32) convincingly where as usc (with injuries) beat 2 top 20 teams and while struggled against other teams (all but arizona have winning record btw),


makes a lot of sense

This is what happens when a school without a real winning tradition has a good couple seasons...the fans get stupid.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: kalster
did u not read the part where i said with a first year starting qb, experienced receivers are key?

witness vince young's first year where he was throwing to BJ and roy williams, vs his 2nd year where he was throwing to... ?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
USC pulled this same stunt a couple of years ago when they won the national championship. USC having close games in the middle of the season is not abnormal by any means... injuries or not. And, yes, USC can likely absorb injuries better than most teams.

So, Sp33Demon, USC having close calls means nothing. b0mberman/kalster, quit trying to act like USC is crippled due to injuries.

Who said anything about crippled?

I'd prefer to not have words put into my mouth. Thanks

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Who said anything about crippled?

I'd prefer to not have words put into my mouth. Thanks

You did say "severely underperform". Pretty close to claiming crippled. All I'm saying is that if any team can absorb injuries, especially at skill positions, it's USC. That and the fact that they have done this before leads me to believe that the injuries have little to nothing to do with their close games this year.

 

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