DUI = Life in Prison

[rudeguy]

for reference:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/02/molly_fitzgerald_formally_char.html

That chick had no record but killed someone. However her extremely high BAC would suggest that she is an alcoholic who has gotten away with DUI a fair amount of times.

I've never understood why people focus on the number of times a person is caught instead of the number of times they commit the crime. So if a murderer is only caught once out of the hundreds of times he has killed, he's not as bad as a guy that killed a couple people in a bar fight?

The system is broken.

 

[AstroManLuca]

for reference:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/02/molly_fitzgerald_formally_char.html

That chick had no record but killed someone. However her extremely high BAC would suggest that she is an alcoholic who has gotten away with DUI a fair amount of times.

I've never understood why people focus on the number of times a person is caught instead of the number of times they commit the crime. So if a murderer is only caught once out of the hundreds of times he has killed, he's not as bad as a guy that killed a couple people in a bar fight?

The system is broken.

So you propose a system where the courts just make shit up and sentence people based on what they think they may have done?

What the fuck are you smoking?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

for reference:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/02/molly_fitzgerald_formally_char.html

That chick had no record but killed someone. However her extremely high BAC would suggest that she is an alcoholic who has gotten away with DUI a fair amount of times.

I've never understood why people focus on the number of times a person is caught instead of the number of times they commit the crime. So if a murderer is only caught once out of the hundreds of times he has killed, he's not as bad as a guy that killed a couple people in a bar fight?

The system is broken.

Because in this country we focus on what is provable based on facts. Thank god.

 

[CRXican]

He killed someone before doing the same thing.

Can't argue against stupid DUI laws in this case.

 

[rudeguy]

So you propose a system where the courts just make shit up and sentence people based on what they think they may have done?

What the fuck are you smoking?

no

I'm saying the current system of waiting for something bad to happen is not the right way.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Did actually hurt somebody?

If not then this is typical American fascistism at it again.

He killed a woman...

 

[JD50]

Did actually hurt somebody?

If not then this is typical American fascistism at it again.

Typical Australian illiterate. Try reading the OP.

 

[Wreckem]

A couple years ago here, a man was given (up to) 5 years for his 11th DUI conviction. They put a woman away for 2.5-5 years for her 11th DUI in 16 years.

The other day they convicted a guy here of his 11th DUI but he hasn't been sentenced yet although the judge hinted that serious prison time is coming. The man's license has been suspended for various DUIs since 1977. That's over 30 years of driving with a suspended license and continuing to accumulate DUI convictions.

Apparently it takes double-digit DUI convictions before anyone goes to jail here.

How many were prior to the mid 1990s when the real crack down on DUIs began?

You have to remember DUIs werent a severe crime in the 70s and 80s. Hell you could literally drink and drive(ie no open container laws) well into the late 1980s in most states. In fact there is still one state that allows for such.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

no

I'm saying the current system of waiting for something bad to happen is not the right way.

Then you should be punished for those unpure thoughts you had earlier today!!

 

[Ns1]

good

 

[rudeguy]

Then you should be punished for those unpure thoughts you had earlier today!!

ruh roh raggy


My point is that unless we get serious about preventing this kind of thing, people are going to keep dying. I don't know exactly how to fix it, I'm just saying that I would like to see someone actually take notice and try to do something.

 

[piasabird]

Why call it manslaughter? You cant accidentally get in a car and drive it???

Call it premeditated murder.

 

[piasabird]

So why is Alcohol legal again?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Why call it manslaughter? You cant accidentally get in a car and drive it???

Call it premeditated murder.

trollin hard today

 

[rudeguy]

So why is Alcohol legal again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

 

[Wreckem]

Why call it manslaughter? You cant accidentally get in a car and drive it???

Call it premeditated murder.

You can try, but the State has to prove the premeditation and under most penal codes voluntary intoxication is an allowed defense to raise reasonable doubt for specific intent crimes. If charged with premediated murder, the DUI defendant would get off because the State wouldn't be able to prove premeditation based on DUI alone. DUI deaths are not premeditated murder. They are vehicular homicide or some form of manslaughter depending on jurisdiction.

 

[PrinceofWands]

trollin hard today

Nothing trolling about it, he's absolutely correct. Causing an injury while driving drunk/drugged should be murder, not manslaughter. Even a 16yr old with an 80IQ knows that driving under the influence can cause death to innocent people. Choosing to get that way, never mind driving after, IS premeditation to inflict harm. Kill every single person that does it as far as I'm concerned.

Just because some fucktards have corrupted the law to make stupidity an affirmative defense doesn't mean any of us should buy it.

 

[ShawnD1]

Nothing trolling about it, he's absolutely correct. Causing an injury while driving drunk/drugged should be murder, not manslaughter. Even a 16yr old with an 80IQ knows that driving can cause death to innocent people.

So if I convince the wife to go skydiving with me and she accidentally dies as a result of it, I should go to jail for first degree murder because I knowingly participated in something that could cause her death. Thank god you are here to clear that up for me. I was going to skydive but now I think I'll cancel it. I can't even give the tickets away because if my friend dies I'll get charged with murder because I knowingly gave him tickets to something that killed him omg!

 

[PrinceofWands]

So if I convince the wife to go skydiving with me and she accidentally dies as a result of it, I should go to jail for first degree murder because I knowingly participated in something that could cause her death. Thank god you are here to clear that up for me. I was going to skydive but now I think I'll cancel it. I can't even give the tickets away because if my friend dies I'll get charged with murder because I knowingly gave him tickets to something that killed him omg!

Your wife has the choice to go with you or not, and even if she does it isn't YOUR condition or actions which are likely to directly cause her death (much more likely to be a true accident). Now, if you're flying the plane (or packing the chutes), and you get drunk first, then yes you should be executed for it all.

An innocent person on the street doesn't have the ability to NOT be where you are driving in case you may be dangerous. That makes YOU responsible to NOT be dangerous. You agree to it when you get your license. Failure to comply in an irresponsible manner that results in harm to an innocent should result in your immediate death.

Things are only accidental if no one acts in an irresponsible manner. Once someone compromises the situation with their carelessness, they become responsible for ANYTHING that happens as a result.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Driving drunk or not can kill people. Get real man.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Driving drunk or not can kill people. Get real man.

Accidents can kill accidentally, which is what manslaughter is for. Choosing to drink and drive increases the likelihood of having such an accident and causing injury/death, thereby being equivalent to premeditation to commit such harm, which is what murder is for.

That's about as real as it gets.

 

[CVSiN]

3 strikes my ass... Prosecutor Christopher Cattran cited Doyle's five felony convictions, four misdemeanor convictions and four prior state prison sentences, the release states

says right there FIVE FELONYS that fucker should have been gone 2 strikes ago..

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Accidents can kill accidentally, which is what manslaughter is for. Choosing to drink and drive increases the likelihood of having such an accident and causing injury/death, thereby being equivalent to premeditation to commit such harm, which is what murder is for.

That's about as real as it gets.

you either don't understand what the definition is for premeditate or you are trolling.

Carrying a gun increases the chance of killing someone with a gun but it doesn't mean every Gun death is murder. Everyone knows this.

 

[ShawnD1]

3 strikes my ass... Prosecutor Christopher Cattran cited Doyle's five felony convictions, four misdemeanor convictions and four prior state prison sentences, the release states

says right there FIVE FELONYS that fucker should have been gone 2 strikes ago..

Maybe he's from Europe and baseball uses 5 strikes over there

 

[caddlad]

A local guy was just arrested for his 10th DWI!! The DA said that he averaged a DWI every 3.7 years. I think he got 10 years in the NY State Pen.

Fuckin drunks. Alcohol... it's a hellava drug.