(DSOG via MaxPC) Nvidia Finally Officially Speaks About AMD’s Mantle

[desprado]

You didn't post any slides.

i cannot find that site that sated but it was stated by both AMD,Nvidia.
it will provide more visual Richness compare to dx11 which also stated on all 3 sites that i given but i have given my prof what i claim althoughhere so many other cannot and make BS assumptions.

 

[3DVagabond]

Can give me the prof where it give graphic and visual improvement.Only fps increase for low and mid range PC user nothing more than that which was claimed in Feb 2014.

Are you serious? Those are exactly the performance advantages offered by Mantle. The FPS increase for only low and midrange PC users has never been true. Is it possible to have a situation which is almost purely GPU bound and have very little FPS gains? Sure, but that doesn't make your claim universally true.

 

[3DVagabond]

My gripe with mantle is AMD denied an industry giant partnership. You failed in that respect. YOU would be in a excellent position if you let Intel help develop mantle. AGAIN AMD FAILS.

That wasn't Intel's position. If it was then you could be right that AMD would have been better off with Intel's partnership. Again though, this was never stated.

 

[purefun1965]

That wasn't Intel's position. If it was then you could be right that AMD would have been better off with Intel's partnership. Again though, this was never stated.

do they not have a cross licence agreement?::whiste:

 

[desprado]

Are you serious? Those are exactly the performance advantages offered by Mantle. The FPS increase for only low and midrange PC users has never been true. Is it possible to have a situation which is almost purely GPU bound and have very little FPS gains? Sure, but that doesn't make your claim universally true.

Just show me that where AMD claimed that Mantle will provide improved Visual over Dx11 where as Dx12 will.Even Mantle is using dx11 features so it does not have any exclusive features over Dx11 except fps improvement.

 

[3DVagabond]

do they not have a cross licence agreement?::whiste:

They have an X86 cross licensing agreement that nobody knows what's in it. Which, by the way, Runs out this year. (Unless they've redone it and I just haven't heard.)

 

[3DVagabond]

Just show me that where AMD claimed that Mantle will provide improved Visual over Dx11 where as Dx12 will.Even Mantle is using dx11 features so it does not have any exclusive features over Dx11 except fps improvement.

I've explained it. I'm done trying with you.

 

[purefun1965]

They have an X86 cross licensing agreement that nobody knows what's in it. Which, by the way, Runs out this year. (Unless they've redone it and I just haven't heard.)

yes and any amendment can be made by both party as long as it is agreed upon. so do you think that when the agreement is up both parties wont renew it with new amendments or it will cease to exist? care to place a bet if they don't renew it.

 

[desprado]

I've explained it. I'm done trying with you.

yes of course u are done with ur lies .If u cannot justify ur post and provide prof like others than u better not make any false claim which is simply a lie and just making people laugh in this section.

Infraction issued for inflammatory language.
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[DominionSeraph]

By the time nv reaps the benefit of DX12, AMD will have a 2 year experience lead

In what? Nvidia was making DirectX cards 10 years before AMD had a graphics division. Mantle gives AMD no more an "experience lead" on DirectX than did Glide for 3dfx.
DirectX is DirectX.

E: Oooh, let's have some fun with this:

"Machine code."

Now, does that give me a ~78 year lead on DX12, should we take this back to Babbage, does it go to 10e-43 second after the Big Bang, or does the theoretical framework transcend time and space?

 

[3DVagabond]

yes and any amendment can be made by both party as long as it is agreed upon. so do you think that when the agreement is up both parties wont renew it with new amendments or it will cease to exist? care to place a bet if they don't renew it.

I didn't say they weren't going to renew it. An X86 cross licensing agreement wouldn't cover Mantle though. Besides, AMD isn't going to make anyone license Mantle. Anyone is going to be able to use it. Also, anyone can suggest features to be added.

 

[monstercameron]

I didn't say they weren't going to renew it. An X86 cross licensing agreement wouldn't cover Mantle though. Besides, AMD isn't going to make anyone license Mantle. Anyone is going to be able to use it. Also, anyone can suggest features to be added.

well those are promises that they might no fulfill. So allegedly anyone should be able to develop a driver for it.

 

[purefun1965]

I didn't say they weren't going to renew it. An X86 cross licensing agreement wouldn't cover Mantle though. Besides, AMD isn't going to make anyone license Mantle. Anyone is going to be able to use it. Also, anyone can suggest features to be added.

yes it does kaveri is x86 chip that is mantle and hsa capable so it falls under the licence.:biggrin:

 

[3DVagabond]

yes it does kaveri is x86 chip that is mantle and hsa capable so it falls under the licence.:biggrin:

I don't think you are correct that because they use it in an APU it falls under the X86 license.

 

[purefun1965]

I don't think you are correct that because they use it in an APU it falls under the X86 license.

its backwards compatible so it does. if the apu can execute x86 instructions it is under the licence.

 

[Noctifer616]

it will provide more visual Richness compare to dx11 which also stated on all 3 sites that i given but i have given my prof what i claim althoughhere so many other cannot and make BS assumptions.

You are correct. DX 12 will come with new features that will be supported by the next generation of GPUs and currently Mantle does not support those features. However, AMD is already planning Mantle 2.0 which will have the same features as DX 12.

So ye, there should be no visual difference between Mantle 2.0 and DX 12 because they will both support the same feature set of the next gen cards.

 

[AtenRa]

its backwards compatible so it does. if the apu can execute x86 instructions it is under the licence.

The iGPU inside the APU is not x86 tech, the CPU cores are. Mantle and GPU tech has nothing to do with the x86 agreement.

 

[rainy]

its backwards compatible so it does. if the apu can execute x86 instructions it is under the licence.

As far as I know GPU isn't part of x86 license agreement between Intel and AMD.

Btw, simple question for you: why Intel have paid 1.5 billion dollars to Nvidia when they could have access to former ATI technology/patents for free?

 

[guskline]

I wasn't shocked at what the Nvidia rep said. Why would I be? Mantle is AMD's baby. BTW I own a GTX780 Classified (rig 1), 2 GTX670 FTWs - SLI rig 2 AND a Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X in rig 3. The R9 290, especially with this cooler is a strong card. Mantle in BF4 is faster than DX11 in fps. My eyes are not a good judge of the quality difference.

Suffice it to say that AMD is going to tout Mantle as much as they can and Nvidia is going to down play it. What's the surprise?

 

[EvilNodZ]

I can understand why Nvidia engineers downplay mantle since its a competitors product. They clearly know the advantages a low level api provides.

Im sure if it wasnt soo heavily tied to AMD, then Nvidia would be quite happy to jump on board mantle since msft has been so slow at developing dx it would clearly benefit everybody using an api with faster development cycles. Would be nice for all gamers if mantle allowed AMD & Nvidia to decide eaqually the direction it was going to develop. But i just cant see two rivals agreeing on that and so it is best that AMD develops their own future with mantle.

I think if Nvidia's hardware does support mantle it would give nvidia gamers an extra choice which api to run mantle/dx12. But will Nvidia even allow their hardware to be associated with AMD and run the api?

I see AMD keeping mantle around to co-exist with DX-12. Mantle will be optomised for AMD Hardware and should provide more benefits than DX-12 for their hardware.

We will see over the next months/years how much Intel & Nvidia really like being tied to Microsofts slow api updates and O.S if mantle starts gaining more and more advantages through faster development cycles and hardware implementation for AMD.

 

[SirPauly]

What risk? DX and Mantle already have support for the same features. What risk is there?

It's the same reason why AMD doesn't support Cuda! These are proprietary api's controlled by one's competitors! For nVidia to spend resources on Mantle would be insane!

 

[NTMBK]

It's the same reason why AMD doesn't support Cuda! These are proprietary api's controlled by one's competitors! For nVidia to spend resources on Mantle would be insane!

You think NVidia would let AMD support CUDA? Hahahahahahaha

 

[DooKey]

You think NVidia would let AMD support CUDA? Hahahahahahaha

Nope, but I bet they would license it for the right price.

On the other hand AMD isn't going to let NV "support" Mantle. They might make it available with an SDK, but AMD will support Mantle.

 

[Creig]

This is a distinction without a difference. Rather than having a technological prohibition preventing Nvidia from utilizing Mantle, AMD has resorted to a business prohibition preventing Nvidia from using Mantle. The end result is that Nvidia cannot use Mantle without extreme risk of getting screwed by AMD.

It is not "open" if AMD has sole control.

If AMD offers and Nvidia chooses to decline, then it's open.

 

[Creig]

API support and full hardware support is 2 different things.

What good is one without the other?