(DSOG via MaxPC) Nvidia Finally Officially Speaks About AMD’s Mantle

[MathMan]

I don't trust marketing shills that sling fabrications of truth and sometimes full on lies to sway public opinion in favor of ... "Snake Oil". That's what it comes down to for me personally.

Reply to my question, I/O. You can do it!

 

[f1sherman]

This game of who to trust can go on ad infinitum, why would/should I trust blurbusters vs AMD? amd has engineers that may have informed huddy's talking points.

Why shouldn't you trust PR guy speaking about competitors tech?


Instead of trusting measuring equipment of highly specialized independent website?


How about common sense?

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I've spoken with Richard Huddy many times in the past, and the one thing that stuck -- always contradict and question what this man says.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4849324&postcount=5

 

[monstercameron]

Why shouldn't you trust PR guy speaking about competitors tech?


Instead of trusting measuring equipment of highly specialized independent website?


How about common sense?

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http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4849324&postcount=5

yea the guy representing a multibillion $ company, with 100s if not 1000s of engineers...yea it is as cut and dry as common sense. brilliant!

 

[f1sherman]

Having to go back as far as

"WHY NOT TRUST PR, INSTEAD OF INDEPENTENT TESTING"

Is it the silly season yet?

 

[monstercameron]

Having to go back as far as

"WHY NOT TRUST PR, INSTEAD OF INDEPENTENT TESTING"

Is it the silly season yet?

that is why I posed these sentiments as a question, because unlike others I try to learn something and make informed opinions. Why not?

 

[rgallant]

Nvidia Finally Officially Speaks About AMD’s Mantle

+ fud
gsync is great
only one big problem and that is when my current cards run out of vram because nv would not allow 6gb 780's until 14 months after release [no 6gb for 780ti lololololol]when sales were dipping,
I might go amd next time , so why would anyone lock them selfs in a nv feature on $800 monitors [rog]after a $1k+++screwing over ??
I know most poster's don't spend more than $300.00 every 3 years on one small gpu but give your head A shake.

 

[f1sherman]

that is why I poised these sentiments as a question, because unlike others I try to learn something and make informed opinions. Why not?

That's why I said

Having to go back as far as

"WHY NOT TRUST PR, INSTEAD OF INDEPENDENT TESTING"

It's embarrassingly basic. That's why.

 

[MathMan]

that is why I posed these sentiments as a question, because unlike others I try to learn something and make informed opinions. Why not?

Yes, it's fine to ask questions. I think the answer is: Richard Huddy rejoined AMD on June 2nd. The interview was one on June 18th. The guy is located in the UK. I think he wanted to use the interview mainly to promote Mantle and, when asked, threw in some G-SYNC/Freesync stuff about which he wasn't really prepared. So he made stuff up. Dumb.

BTW: the Freesync FAQ doesn't say a word about the extra lag of 1 frame. If that were really true, you'd think they'd shout it from the rooftop, because it would be a really big showstopper for most potential G-SYNC buyers indeed.

 

[MathMan]

Nvidia Finally Officially Speaks About AMD’s
I might go amd next time , so why would anyone lock them selfs in nv feature on $800 monitors [rog]after a $1k+++screwing over ??

If it's too expensive, then it's not for you. People have gamed without it for decades and that has worked just fine.

 

[3DVagabond]

Someone looking and listening to somebody they do not like, or opposing someone they do like, is almost certainly bound to think they are smug, arrogant, condescending, full of it. It's natural. I didn't find the Nvidia guys smug at all. I DID see them sort of laughing at some of the Huddy statements. I think they're minds were blown a little because they are sitting there having to defend themselves from a guy who just decided to make stuff up as he goes along. That would piss me off too. I think they handled themselves pretty well and even tried to steer the conversation away from the interviewer's AMD/huddy questions and focus on Nvidia stuff. High road. Respect that at least.

So anyway enough about how smug you think they were. Has NO relevence even if they WERE smug. They're probably allowed to be due to the questions about Huddy's remarks being fired at them.

I never made a comment at all about them being smug. I only said that their comments, whether smug, condescending, or otherwise are purely their responsibility. As far as answering questions, they should have been pleased they were asked them so they could set the record straight.

You have this really bad habit of reading more into my comments than what I've actually said. It ends up creating a back and forth where basically the same thing gets repeated over and over with me having to repeat myself so you can't leave it as me saying something I didn't. Like me thinking he was smug, which I never said.

 

[BrightCandle]

Huddy incidentally made the same thing up about gsync in at least 3 interviews he had over a week. In all of them he told the same lie as part of a particular prepared talking point. Had it been one interview where he was asked about something he wasn't there to talk about then making things up like that is pretty dangerous, but that isn't what he did he said the same thing in all 3 interviews and in the same way. It was prepared.

 

[3DVagabond]

I might also be naïve but why would huddy bring up such a point without any proof? Is it just a pure fud attack?

Also why should tom receive more trust than huddy when they both have incentive to embellish some of the facts, tom more so being a marketing head and on the defensive.

It appears that Huddy was in fact mistaken about some things. When the source code for TressFX was released for example. If he was going to raise talking points he should have made sure he was better informed. He doesn't seem to have done his homework on some things. Poor preparation, if you ask me, for such an important set of interviews. If I were his boss I would have had a serious discussion with him about being better prepared in the future.

 

[blastingcap]

I just played BF4's campaign with Mantle, via their free-to-play "Game Time" promo. I saw some graphical glitches but am not sure if it would have been any better with DX11. No show-stopping bugs like crashes, though. So far so good. I really do not want to pay to upgrade to Windows 8/9/whatever just for DX12 so if Mantle doesn't take off, I will stay on DX11.