Drowning in debt: Obama's spending and borrowing leaves U.S. gasping for air

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The people who didn't care about our deficit for 8 years, all of a sudden care 6 months into a democratic president? AHAHAHAHA!

I can't speak for others here, but I've always cared about deficits. Don't let that stop you, though - stick to your strawman arguments!

:thumbsup:

The GOP mucked it up, and the Dems are bent on continuing the tradition.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

You really had the gall to say that!?!?!? Hilarious given that your post above (and most posts from the left-leaning partisan hack crowd) blame past deficits on Repubs alone, ignoring the fact the Dems have controlled Congress just as much over the past 50 years, and loved to stuff spending bills with enough pork to fill a buffet, but of course they're blameless. Non-partisan hacks have been saying for years that neither party is fiscally responsible, but hacks like you still cling to the lies and blame-game crap. Thanks for being part of the problem.

(First Mate of the S.S. Failboat, I presume?) If it weren't for your partisan blinders, you might have noticed I've consistently denounced both parties for their lack of fiscal restraint and for whoring themselves to special interests. I've consistently said the two parties are far more alike than they are different, and I've consistently advocated supporting third parties. I've repeatedly lamented the fact that "Republican" and "conservative" have only a distant connection, and have encouraged the RNC to return to its traditional, conservative roots.

Nonetheless, the FACT of the matter is that the only semblance of progress in managing federal spending came under a Democratic President, which is why I explicitly focused on "leadership," not Democrats as a whole. That you can't abide by this fact is your problem, not mine.

I also believe that modern Democrats, odious as they are, are not as bad as the modern-day Republicans epitomized by Cheney/Bush. That is why I was especially vocal about the Bush administration. I also believe Obama has the potential to materially turn around some of the worst aspects of America's beltway bandits, though it remains to be seen whether he will actually deliver, whether he will be beaten down by an entrenched system of corruption, or indeed, whether he is already deeply ingrained in that system and simply puts on a good show. Time will tell.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genx87
Yeah yeah all those deficit hawks from the left who blasted Bush's deficits for 8 years are now like Dick Cheney and say "Deficits dont matter". Politics makes a lot of hypcrites. Welcome to life.

No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

I can't speak for "the left," but I am more concerned about our ballooning debt than ever. I'm just not going to try to discuss it here where it will become partisan fodder for yapping children who destroy any hope of a constructive and thoughtful discussion.

Funny, you speak of hypocrisies but you say "we, as a group" don't matter because we're driven by blind partisanship. There is an implication there that your are not. You say your concern is for ballooning debt, and I find that downright hilarious. Here we have a thread dedicated to the topic, but you're playing partisan politics with the best of them. Get real. You're fooling no one.

Anyone with any sense about them can see complete fiscal catastrophe up ahead, but you - Mr. Beacon Of Fiscal Light - would rather cry over spilt milk than talk turkey. Peddle your lies somewhere else.

I already addressed your self-serving rationalizations. Kindly consider a course in remedial reading.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The people who didn't care about our deficit for 8 years, all of a sudden care 6 months into a democratic president? AHAHAHAHA!

I've always cared about deficits.

I don't believe you

 

[StageLeft]

Geithner asking Congress to raise national debt limit above $12.1T.

Not sure why they bother with it, are these requests ever rejected?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

You really had the gall to say that!?!?!? Hilarious given that your post above (and most posts from the left-leaning partisan hack crowd) blame past deficits on Repubs alone, ignoring the fact the Dems have controlled Congress just as much over the past 50 years, and loved to stuff spending bills with enough pork to fill a buffet, but of course they're blameless. Non-partisan hacks have been saying for years that neither party is fiscally responsible, but hacks like you still cling to the lies and blame-game crap. Thanks for being part of the problem.

If it weren't for your partisan blinders, you might have noticed I've consistently denounced both parties for their lack of fiscal restraint and for whoring themselves to special interests.

Well aren't you commendable? Why not take this opportunity to discuss Obama's fiscal restraint - or lack thereof, depending on your position - rather than lobbing one red herring after another because you're so aghast by hypocrisy? Oh wait, I think I already know:

I rarely post in-depth thoughts about complex subjects ... It's the short troll posts that spawn the most discussion.

So you found a way to get us all talking about you. Not bad

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The people who didn't care about our deficit for 8 years, all of a sudden care 6 months into a democratic president? AHAHAHAHA!

I've always cared about deficits.

I don't believe you

Speaking of trolls.....

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
If it weren't for your partisan blinders, you might have noticed I've consistently denounced both parties for their lack of fiscal restraint and for whoring themselves to special interests.

Well aren't you commendable? Why not take this opportunity to discuss Obama's fiscal restraint - or lack thereof, depending on your position - rather than lobbing one red herring after another because you're so aghast by hypocrisy? Oh wait, I think I already know:

I rarely post in-depth thoughts about complex subjects ... It's the short troll posts that spawn the most discussion.

So you found a way to get us all talking about you. Not bad

Again, L2read.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genx87
Yeah yeah all those deficit hawks from the left who blasted Bush's deficits for 8 years are now like Dick Cheney and say "Deficits dont matter". Politics makes a lot of hypcrites. Welcome to life.

No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

I can't speak for "the left," but I am more concerned about our ballooning debt than ever. I'm just not going to try to discuss it here where it will become partisan fodder for yapping children who destroy any hope of a constructive and thoughtful discussion.

Funny, you speak of hypocrisies but you say "we, as a group" don't matter because we're driven by blind partisanship. There is an implication there that your are not. You say your concern is for ballooning debt, and I find that downright hilarious. Here we have a thread dedicated to the topic, but you're playing partisan politics with the best of them. Get real. You're fooling no one.

Anyone with any sense about them can see complete fiscal catastrophe up ahead, but you - Mr. Beacon Of Fiscal Light - would rather cry over spilt milk than talk turkey. Peddle your lies somewhere else.

I already addressed your self-serving rationalizations. Kindly consider a course in remedial reading.

Again, spilt milk. You'd rather whine about how the right partisan hacks didn't complain enough about Bush to justify this topic. Your faux outrage has only impressed the partisans on the left - who, rest assured, will do the same over Obama's term(s). I hope you're able cope with that once you realize it's happening again; I'd hate for you to be completely paralyzed.

I think it's time we all try to move back to the original topic: the future of the deficit.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

I think it's time we all try to move back to the original topic: the future of the deficit.

The future of the deficit is very scary, and I am afraid that neither party will address it in the near future because to do so would require some very unpopular decisions, meaning the people that do properly address it will get kicked out of office.

I think we will eventually be FORCED to deal with it, and that isn't a position you want to be in when the time comes. It is better that it be addressed now (which is LONG past due) and on our own terms.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush Legacy at work. Thanks Bush.

And it only took two replies for this response to be posted. Amazing.

Being the Truth, it should have been the first post. What's truly amazing is how many people don't understand that.

Obviously, a new president does inherit some of the issues or "legacy" of the previous president. I agree with that for sure. However, look at the deficit projections from the CBO for both of Obama terms (assuming he wins in 2012). When exactly does he take responsibility, or are you going to keep parroting the "But...But...But...Bush!" line until 2016?

I find it humorous that you guys are quick to pin a lot of this on Bush (and believe me, I am not saying he doesn't deserve some of the blame), but when Carter and Reagan are discussed, all of Carter's issues which were passed to Reagan were the fault of Nixon, Ford, etc. Come on, let's be fair here.

Most of the problem, not "some", is Bush.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

Incorrect. We just want to state the Truth of the Matter. This is Bush's fuck up, the Economy was in the shitter when Obama took over.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

Incorrect. We just want to state the Truth of the Matter. This is Bush's fuck up, the Economy was in the shitter when Obama took over.

See sig: CBO

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

Incorrect. We just want to state the Truth of the Matter. This is Bush's fuck up, the Economy was in the shitter when Obama took over.

See sig: CBO

...and?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was told recently that in California they pay MORE tax than we do here in Canada, yet they don't have universal health care.
IMO the US needs a third and maybe even a fourth political party. Both the Democrats and the Republicans have proven themselves to be incompetent. I'm willing to give Obama some more time before judging him too harshly, but I'm not impressed with his handling of the economic crisis thus far, and I'm not entirely convinced that his impending arrival didn't play a role in it.

What we need is LESS GOVERNMENT and lower taxes. It blows my mind how little they can accomplish with half of our collective monies.

let me get this straight....
Your canadian? You have no say in this ......
I didn`t know canadians could mvote for POTUS>>..hmmm

I don't need to be an American to critique your president. If anything, I'm more objective that you are as an outsider, plus my mind hasn't been poisoned by your messed up media.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

Incorrect. We just want to state the Truth of the Matter. This is Bush's fuck up, the Economy was in the shitter when Obama took over.

See sig: CBO

...and?

Seriously? Are you kidding me?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was told recently that in California they pay MORE tax than we do here in Canada, yet they don't have universal health care.
IMO the US needs a third and maybe even a fourth political party. Both the Democrats and the Republicans have proven themselves to be incompetent. I'm willing to give Obama some more time before judging him too harshly, but I'm not impressed with his handling of the economic crisis thus far, and I'm not entirely convinced that his impending arrival didn't play a role in it.

What we need is LESS GOVERNMENT and lower taxes. It blows my mind how little they can accomplish with half of our collective monies.

let me get this straight....
Your canadian? You have no say in this ......
I didn`t know canadians could mvote for POTUS>>..hmmm

I don't see you protesting Sandorski's presence.

 

[PJABBER]

Cmon, jbourne77, do actually expect these guys to READ stuff like that? They follow the Party line blindly.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Cmon, jbourne77, do actually expect these guys to READ stuff like that? They follow the Party line blindly.

Of course they won't read it -- they are too busy trying to deflect and blame Bush, Reagan, Mickey Mouse, aliens at Area 51 -- anyone but the Democrats.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was told recently that in California they pay MORE tax than we do here in Canada, yet they don't have universal health care.
IMO the US needs a third and maybe even a fourth political party. Both the Democrats and the Republicans have proven themselves to be incompetent. I'm willing to give Obama some more time before judging him too harshly, but I'm not impressed with his handling of the economic crisis thus far, and I'm not entirely convinced that his impending arrival didn't play a role in it.

What we need is LESS GOVERNMENT and lower taxes. It blows my mind how little they can accomplish with half of our collective monies.

let me get this straight....
Your canadian? You have no say in this ......
I didn`t know canadians could mvote for POTUS>>..hmmm

I don't see you protesting Sandorski's presence.

I'm AWESOME! :laugh:

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was told recently that in California they pay MORE tax than we do here in Canada, yet they don't have universal health care.
IMO the US needs a third and maybe even a fourth political party. Both the Democrats and the Republicans have proven themselves to be incompetent. I'm willing to give Obama some more time before judging him too harshly, but I'm not impressed with his handling of the economic crisis thus far, and I'm not entirely convinced that his impending arrival didn't play a role in it.

What we need is LESS GOVERNMENT and lower taxes. It blows my mind how little they can accomplish with half of our collective monies.

let me get this straight....
Your canadian? You have no say in this ......
I didn`t know canadians could mvote for POTUS>>..hmmm

I don't see you protesting Sandorski's presence.

I'm AWESOME! :laugh:

:beer:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

Incorrect. We just want to state the Truth of the Matter. This is Bush's fuck up, the Economy was in the shitter when Obama took over.

See sig: CBO

...and?

Seriously? Are you kidding me?

No, what's your point? We all know the Debt is getting bigger. Some of us understand why and the necessity of it. Others just see it getting bigger and run around screaming about it.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: sandorski
No, what's your point? We all know the Debt is getting bigger. Some of us understand why and the necessity of it. Others just see it getting bigger and run around screaming about it.

So in other words, you have nothing else to add?

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was told recently that in California they pay MORE tax than we do here in Canada, yet they don't have universal health care.
IMO the US needs a third and maybe even a fourth political party. Both the Democrats and the Republicans have proven themselves to be incompetent. I'm willing to give Obama some more time before judging him too harshly, but I'm not impressed with his handling of the economic crisis thus far, and I'm not entirely convinced that his impending arrival didn't play a role in it.

What we need is LESS GOVERNMENT and lower taxes. It blows my mind how little they can accomplish with half of our collective monies.

let me get this straight....
Your canadian? You have no say in this ......
I didn`t know canadians could mvote for POTUS>>..hmmm

I don't see you protesting Sandorski's presence.

I'm AWESOME! :laugh:

:beer:

Yes, it is Miller time! At least here in DC where your typical August is kickin @ 96 degrees F and feels like 100. I am thinking of breaking out the ingredients to make an all natural pina colada and putting them it in the freezer to await my return from an hour of sweating through a BTTW bike ride!

I use Cruzan Estate Diamond Rum from St. Croix, aged a young 5 years, for mellowness and depth of flavor. It complements my own natural sweetness.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: sandorski
No, what's your point? We all know the Debt is getting bigger. Some of us understand why and the necessity of it. Others just see it getting bigger and run around screaming about it.

So in other words, you have nothing else to add?

What's to add?