Drowning in debt: Obama's spending and borrowing leaves U.S. gasping for air

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush Legacy at work. Thanks Bush.

And it only took two replies for this response to be posted. Amazing.

Truth hurts, huh?

It would hurt if I were a Bush supporter, which I am not. When are you guys going to assign responsibility to the Democrats for anything? I know the answer to that -- you won't ever. There will always be some excuse.

And in the end, I don't care -- you partisan hacks can argue back and forth about who to blame. Instead of finger pointing and endless streams of sound bites, Washington needs to address the problems and fix them. I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican that fixes the issues, as long as they get fixed.

I would say Obama's got at least another 6 months to a year before it's "his fault".

Fair enough. I appreciate your honestly. As I said, in the end, I don't care who is to blame for what; we just need to stop arguing and get the issues fixed.

 

[Genx87]

Leave it upto the democrat congress and obama to make Bush and his republican congress look fiscally conservative.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush Legacy at work. Thanks Bush.

And it only took two replies for this response to be posted. Amazing.

Truth hurts, huh?

It would hurt if I were a Bush supporter, which I am not. When are you guys going to assign responsibility to the Democrats for anything? I know the answer to that -- you won't ever. There will always be some excuse.

And in the end, I don't care -- you partisan hacks can argue back and forth about who to blame. Instead of finger pointing and endless streams of sound bites, Washington needs to address the problems and fix them. I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican that fixes the issues, as long as they get fixed.

You will soon find out that no matter what grievance you have with a politician who is a democrat... that one of the first two responses will include the words "But Bush."

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Spend borrow and tax, you can't expect much from a man that has never run anything.

But you can expect it from a shitty b-list actor, an ex-CIA chief who is partly responsible for the failure to predict the fall of the Soviet Union (whose father was a traitor), and a coke head who drove a baseball team and an oil company into the ground.

Oh boy... I welcome this comparison. Obama's deficit in his first year is close to Dubbya's in all eight. And he wants to add more on rather than try to fix the problem.

Do you really want to go down this path?

Only because the war spending was "off the books" and was not counted in the deficit numbers during the Bush administration.

No, it was not "off the books", it was and is included in the Bush era deficit numbers. At least get your facts straight.

 

[Stuxnet]

The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Only because the war spending was "off the books" and was not counted in the deficit numbers during the Bush administration.

No, it was not "off the books", it was and is included in the Bush era deficit numbers. At least get your facts straight.

You should take your own advice. Most, if not all, of the appropriations for the war on Iraq were NOT included in the budget and were therefore also NOT included in the reported budget deficit. That spending does show up in the total national debt and are sometimes included in third-party calculations of the actual deficits.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Only because the war spending was "off the books" and was not counted in the deficit numbers during the Bush administration.

No, it was not "off the books", it was and is included in the Bush era deficit numbers. At least get your facts straight.

You should take your own advice. Most, if not all, of the appropriations for the war on Iraq were NOT included in the budget and were therefore also NOT included in the reported budget deficit. That spending does show up in the total national debt and are sometimes included in third-party calculations of the actual deficits.

Yeah it was hugely funded under "emergency appropriations" or something like that.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Leave it upto the democrat congress and obama to make Bush and his republican congress look fiscally conservative.

Damn, makes Bill Clinton and the GOP Congress of the late 90's/early 2000's seem really good right now. I would take Bubba back in a heartbeat...and maybe a skipped on at that.

Edit: And that includes the GOP Congress that he had to work with too.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

As usual, a good synopsis from jbourne. You guys trying to defend Obama's spending by deflecting back to poor Republican spending habits need to focus on the topic at hand.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

The issue they highlight is the hypocrisy of people like you and PJ. The potential for a debt crisis has been discussed for years. It really got rolling under Reagan with his massive spending increases and tax cuts, and has continued under every Republican administration. (The only abatement came under Clinton, someone you all seem to loathe.) The stock answer from "your side" has always been "deficits don't matter" ... until now.

Strangely, now that we have Democratic leadership, you're all born-again deficit hawks. Indeed, you've become born-again hawks on all sorts of issues you dismissed when you had the helm. You wail about trips and gardens and birth certificates and all sorts of epically petty tripe. Now you're wailing about deficits. The natural reaction is you're just a bunch of partisan hacks tossing out yet another purely partisan attack that merits no serious consideration.

In other words, people stop listening when you constantly cry wolf. We simply don't care when you screech (again) that the sky is falling. Having demonstrated again and again your partisan hypocrisy, you (as a group) have no credibility.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Genx87
Leave it upto the democrat congress and obama to make Bush and his republican congress look fiscally conservative.

Damn, makes Bill Clinton and the GOP Congress of the late 90's/early 2000's seem really good right now. I would take Bubba back in a heartbeat...and maybe a skipped on at that.

Edit: And that includes the GOP Congress that he had to work with too.

I have to laugh. Over fathers day I said the same thing to my dad. After 8 years of Bush and now Obama's spending plans. Who from the right side of the spectrum would ever dream of those days under Clinton? Well I think there are a lot of us now

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

The issue they highlight is the hypocrisy of people like you and PJ. The potential for a debt crisis has been discussed for years. It really got rolling under Reagan with his massive spending increases and tax cuts, and has continued under every Republican administration. (The only abatement came under Clinton, someone you all seem to loathe.) The stock answer from "your side" has always been "deficits don't matter" ... until now.

Strangely, now that we have Democratic leadership, you're all born-again deficit hawks. Indeed, you've become born-again hawks on all sorts of issues you dismissed when you had the helm. You wail about trips and gardens and birth certificates and all sorts of epically petty tripe. Now you're wailing about deficits. The natural reaction is you're just a bunch of partisan hacks tossing out yet another purely partisan attack that merits no serious consideration.

In other words, people stop listening when you constantly cry wolf. We simply don't care when you screech (again) that the sky is falling. Having demonstrated again and again your partisan hypocrisy, you (as a group) have no credibility.

+++. Amen, brother.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

The issue they highlight is the hypocrisy of people like you and PJ. The potential for a debt crisis has been discussed for years. It really got rolling under Reagan with his massive spending increases and tax cuts, and has continued under every Republican administration. (The only abatement came under Clinton, someone you all seem to loathe.) The stock answer from "your side" has always been "deficits don't matter" ... until now.

Strangely, now that we have Democratic leadership, you're all born-again deficit hawks. Indeed, you've become born-again hawks on all sorts of issues you dismissed when you had the helm. You wail about trips and gardens and birth certificates and all sorts of epically petty tripe. Now you're wailing about deficits. The natural reaction is you're just a bunch of partisan hacks tossing out yet another purely partisan attack that merits no serious consideration.

In other words, people stop listening when you constantly cry wolf. We simply don't care when you screech (again) that the sky is falling. Having demonstrated again and again your partisan hypocrisy, you (as a group) have no credibility.

Yeah yeah all those deficit hawks from the left who blasted Bush's deficits for 8 years are now like Dick Cheney and say "Deficits dont matter". Politics makes a lot of hypcrites. Welcome to life.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Genx87
Leave it upto the democrat congress and obama to make Bush and his republican congress look fiscally conservative.

Damn, makes Bill Clinton and the GOP Congress of the late 90's/early 2000's seem really good right now. I would take Bubba back in a heartbeat...and maybe a skipped on at that.

Edit: And that includes the GOP Congress that he had to work with too.

I have to laugh. Over fathers day I said the same thing to my dad. After 8 years of Bush and now Obama's spending plans. Who from the right side of the spectrum would ever dream of those days under Clinton? Well I think there are a lot of us now

I'm too young to have seen that, but the graphs and articles are nice to look at now.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

The issue they highlight is the hypocrisy of people like you and PJ. The potential for a debt crisis has been discussed for years. It really got rolling under Reagan with his massive spending increases and tax cuts, and has continued under every Republican administration. (The only abatement came under Clinton, someone you all seem to loathe.) The stock answer from "your side" has always been "deficits don't matter" ... until now.

Strangely, now that we have Democratic leadership, you're all born-again deficit hawks. Indeed, you've become born-again hawks on all sorts of issues you dismissed when you had the helm. You wail about trips and gardens and birth certificates and all sorts of epically petty tripe. Now you're wailing about deficits. The natural reaction is you're just a bunch of partisan hacks tossing out yet another purely partisan attack that merits no serious consideration.

In other words, people stop listening when you constantly cry wolf. We simply don't care when you screech (again) that the sky is falling. Having demonstrated again and again your partisan hypocrisy, you (as a group) have no credibility.

Yeah yeah all those deficit hawks from the left who blasted Bush's deficits for 8 years are now like Dick Cheney and say "Deficits dont matter". Politics makes a lot of hypcrites. Welcome to life.

No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

I can't speak for "the left," but I am more concerned about our ballooning debt than ever. I'm just not going to try to discuss it here where it will become partisan fodder for yapping children who destroy any hope of a constructive and thoughtful discussion.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
The issue they highlight is the hypocrisy of people like you and PJ. The potential for a debt crisis has been discussed for years. It really got rolling under Reagan with his massive spending increases and tax cuts, and has continued under every Republican administration. (The only abatement came under Clinton, someone you all seem to loathe.) The stock answer from "your side" has always been "deficits don't matter" ... until now.

Strangely, now that we have Democratic leadership, you're all born-again deficit hawks. Indeed, you've become born-again hawks on all sorts of issues you dismissed when you had the helm. You wail about trips and gardens and birth certificates and all sorts of epically petty tripe. Now you're wailing about deficits. The natural reaction is you're just a bunch of partisan hacks tossing out yet another purely partisan attack that merits no serious consideration.

Exactly how am I being hypocritical? Because I don't issue a harp on Bush for every harp issued on Obama? Please... Once again, let me remind you that Bush is no longer president. The GOP lost Congress in 2006. For the purposes of this thread, harping on him/them is irrelevant and deflective. If you want to talk about hypocrites, we could just as easily discuss how many of the left criticized Bush's failed fiscal policy, but turn a blind eye and deaf ear to Obama's.

Newsflash: many people are partisan hacks and are knowingly hypocritical: story at eleven. Get over it. This doesn't mean we can't talk about specifics in threads like this. The hypocrisies cut both ways; stop pretending as if they don't. Crying foul over said hypocrisies is disingenuous and evasive when there is a topic such as this one is as tangible and real as it is. There are hypocrites on both sides of the isle (by the way, I don't ever recall defending the GOP's spending, and I am not a GOP supporter), and if you want to cry about them, create a thread for it. Whining about them in a thread such as this one only goes to show that the OP has a very real point that no one is willing or able to counter.

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
In other words, people stop listening when you constantly cry wolf. We simply don't care when you screech (again) that the sky is falling. Having demonstrated again and again your partisan hypocrisy, you (as a group) have no credibility.

And what "group" would that be? My concerns are fiscal in nature. I have little if no other agenda(s), which is why my P&N posts are largely limited to topics of the economy. I want a fiscally responsible government, and I could give two shits about what that government is called. Republican, Democrat... don't care. I want the deficit eliminated and I want to keep as much of my own money as possible.

So that's my "group." Make a note of it.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Genx87
Leave it upto the democrat congress and obama to make Bush and his republican congress look fiscally conservative.

Damn, makes Bill Clinton and the GOP Congress of the late 90's/early 2000's seem really good right now. I would take Bubba back in a heartbeat...and maybe a skipped on at that.

Edit: And that includes the GOP Congress that he had to work with too.

I have to laugh. Over fathers day I said the same thing to my dad. After 8 years of Bush and now Obama's spending plans. Who from the right side of the spectrum would ever dream of those days under Clinton? Well I think there are a lot of us now

Funny that Clinton was cleaning up another Republican shitstorm, kind of like what is happening today on a much smaller scale.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

The issue they highlight is the hypocrisy of people like you and PJ. The potential for a debt crisis has been discussed for years. It really got rolling under Reagan with his massive spending increases and tax cuts, and has continued under every Republican administration. (The only abatement came under Clinton, someone you all seem to loathe.) The stock answer from "your side" has always been "deficits don't matter" ... until now.

Strangely, now that we have Democratic leadership, you're all born-again deficit hawks. Indeed, you've become born-again hawks on all sorts of issues you dismissed when you had the helm. You wail about trips and gardens and birth certificates and all sorts of epically petty tripe. Now you're wailing about deficits. The natural reaction is you're just a bunch of partisan hacks tossing out yet another purely partisan attack that merits no serious consideration.

In other words, people stop listening when you constantly cry wolf. We simply don't care when you screech (again) that the sky is falling. Having demonstrated again and again your partisan hypocrisy, you (as a group) have no credibility.

Yeah yeah all those deficit hawks from the left who blasted Bush's deficits for 8 years are now like Dick Cheney and say "Deficits dont matter". Politics makes a lot of hypcrites. Welcome to life.

No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

I can't speak for "the left," but I am more concerned about our ballooning debt than ever. I'm just not going to try to discuss it here where it will become partisan fodder for yapping children who destroy any hope of a constructive and thoughtful discussion.

My response was without a doubt directed at people who dont care about deficits now but did under Bush, not you in specific. If you fall under that umbrella so be it.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The amount of deflection in this thread is simply staggering. JSt0rm01, sandorski, LegendKiller, JKing106, and senseamp would all prefer to talk about Bush and Reagan, when this thread is about projected deficits based on Obama's fiscal policies. Toss in Moonbeam's standard nonsensical gibberish, and you really don't have a single on-topic post by the left. All we really have is a heap of red herrings and a few senile mutterings. Any chance we could talk about the real issue here? Enough of the "if only the republicans were in charge. We would have balanced budgets." mantra. It's not relevant. The Republicans' poor spending habits do not dampen the harsh realities and consequences of Obama's and his Congress, and make Obama and his Congress no less accountable. If you want to bitch, moan, and deflect over where we'd be if Republicans were in charge, start a thread for it. The good news is that, at the rate we're going, you're likely to find out the answer to that hypothetical question sooner than you'd otherwise like.

The issue they highlight is the hypocrisy of people like you and PJ. The potential for a debt crisis has been discussed for years. It really got rolling under Reagan with his massive spending increases and tax cuts, and has continued under every Republican administration. (The only abatement came under Clinton, someone you all seem to loathe.) The stock answer from "your side" has always been "deficits don't matter" ... until now.

Strangely, now that we have Democratic leadership, you're all born-again deficit hawks. Indeed, you've become born-again hawks on all sorts of issues you dismissed when you had the helm. You wail about trips and gardens and birth certificates and all sorts of epically petty tripe. Now you're wailing about deficits. The natural reaction is you're just a bunch of partisan hacks tossing out yet another purely partisan attack that merits no serious consideration.

In other words, people stop listening when you constantly cry wolf. We simply don't care when you screech (again) that the sky is falling. Having demonstrated again and again your partisan hypocrisy, you (as a group) have no credibility.

Yeah yeah all those deficit hawks from the left who blasted Bush's deficits for 8 years are now like Dick Cheney and say "Deficits dont matter". Politics makes a lot of hypcrites. Welcome to life.

No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

I can't speak for "the left," but I am more concerned about our ballooning debt than ever. I'm just not going to try to discuss it here where it will become partisan fodder for yapping children who destroy any hope of a constructive and thoughtful discussion.

So if we searched we wouldnt find you "discussing" it when Bush ran up the deficit?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genx87
Yeah yeah all those deficit hawks from the left who blasted Bush's deficits for 8 years are now like Dick Cheney and say "Deficits dont matter". Politics makes a lot of hypcrites. Welcome to life.

No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

I can't speak for "the left," but I am more concerned about our ballooning debt than ever. I'm just not going to try to discuss it here where it will become partisan fodder for yapping children who destroy any hope of a constructive and thoughtful discussion.

Funny, you speak of hypocrisies but you say "we, as a group" don't matter because we're driven by blind partisanship. There is an implication there that your are not. You say your concern is for ballooning debt, and I find that downright hilarious. Here we have a thread dedicated to the topic, but you're playing partisan politics with the best of them. Get real. You're fooling no one.

Anyone with any sense about them can see complete fiscal catastrophe up ahead, but you - Mr. Beacon Of Fiscal Light - would rather cry over spilt milk than talk turkey. Peddle your lies somewhere else.

 

[shadow9d9]

The people who didn't care about our deficit for 8 years, all of a sudden care 6 months into a democratic president? AHAHAHAHA!

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

You really had the gall to say that!?!?!? Hilarious given that your post above (and most posts from the left-leaning partisan hack crowd) blame past deficits on Repubs alone, ignoring the fact the Dems have controlled Congress just as much over the past 50 years, and loved to stuff spending bills with enough pork to fill a buffet, but of course they're blameless. Non-partisan hacks have been saying for years that neither party is fiscally responsible, but hacks like you still cling to the lies and blame-game crap. Thanks for being part of the problem.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The people who didn't care about our deficit for 8 years, all of a sudden care 6 months into a democratic president? AHAHAHAHA!

Yes and I pointed out the people who did care for 8 years suddenly dont.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The people who didn't care about our deficit for 8 years, all of a sudden care 6 months into a democratic president? AHAHAHAHA!

I can't speak for others here, but I've always cared about deficits. Don't let that stop you, though - stick to your strawman arguments!

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
No dear, I know you have trouble with nuance (aka complex thoughts), but I'm not saying deficits don't matter. I'm saying you don't matter. I don't care what you (collectively) say because you've proven again and again you're driven by blind partisanship.

I can't speak for "the left," but I am more concerned about our ballooning debt than ever. I'm just not going to try to discuss it here where it will become partisan fodder for yapping children who destroy any hope of a constructive and thoughtful discussion.

So if we searched we wouldnt find you "discussing" it when Bush ran up the deficit?

And the captain of the S.S. Failboat wallows in. Unlike some here, I recognize things change over time and I try to learn from my mistakes. P&N was never the most effective venue for thoughtful discussion, something I had to learn over time. It also seems to have gotten worse over the years, with less pretense of cogent discussion and more children (on both sides) flinging bumper stickers at each other. Consequently, I post here much less often than I used to, a trend that started well before Obama took office. In particular, I rarely post in-depth thoughts about complex subjects because they are ignored. It's the short troll posts that spawn the most discussion.

(Did you ever apologize for blatantly lying about your list of Health bill "problems"? Didn't think so.)