Youre joking right? I wasn't talking about remedial math courses. I have a master in math and I can tell SOME of those 5000 level classes would have been impossible to learn on my own without some guides from my advisors.
I guess the U.S. government and the surveys they have conducted over the past 40 years is a pile of bull,you are right and they are wrong.
Reposted links ;
Read this
Right from our own government
U.S. dept. of Labor
Read what's in the links.
May I ask,what are these hundreds of jobs you have had ?
Cashier ?
Stock clerk ?
Fast food cook ?
seriously, you should never say dropping out of school was the smart thing to do, not that i knew your situatoin, but it's glorfying quitting
I have to add my two cents.
I have an engineering degree and work for General Dynamics.
This is what pisses me off. I went to school for 4 years. Make a good buck. Now I work where there are trades people, making the same amount as i do, but:
don't have to think.
Don't spend as much time actually working.
Spent way less time learning their craft.
But the other benefits of an education:
I understand how the world works.
I am more aware of how money works.
I realize that going to bars is a waste of money (learned that at college)
In essence, I learned how to learn. Not just on an educational level, but a life level.
This is just part of it.
My point is, even though I am relatively pissed off that I could be making the same amount doing something brainless, I wouldn't trade my experiences and knowledge gained at college for anything.
I have an engineering degree and work for General Dynamics.
This is what pisses me off. I went to school for 4 years. Make a good buck. Now I work where there are trades people, making the same amount as i do, but:
don't have to think.
Don't spend as much time actually working.
Spent way less time learning their craft.
But the other benefits of an education:
I understand how the world works.
I am more aware of how money works.
I realize that going to bars is a waste of money (learned that at college)
In essence, I learned how to learn. Not just on an educational level, but a life level.
This is just part of it.
My point is, even though I am relatively pissed off that I could be making the same amount doing something brainless, I wouldn't trade my experiences and knowledge gained at college for anything.
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Don't have a cow man, he was just asking.
I've tested anywhere feom 135 to 155 consistently through junior high to present. I'm a 29 y/o without a college degree(will have a 2 yr associates in science in a semester and a half). I hate school and think it serves no purpose other than to give most kids a place to hang out after college instead of entering the real world. If you think about it, I'm a software engineer that knows the ins and outs of a computer, programming languages and the likes. What does a college degree do for me? All it does is satisfy some Bull$hit requirement that major employers seek in a job applicant. Out of the 50 or so courses needed for a computer engineering degree, I would find maybe 5 of which would help me do my job better, and only 10 of which would help me in my career at all. The rest of the courses are just Mickey Mouse courses that help make a well rounded individual so you Uberdorks can have more than lines of code to discuss while milling around the water cooler.
Just remember Richard Branson! Not educated just smart.
I got kicked out of school in my last year... However I have had many good jobs and owned and sold a business as well. I currently work as a Sales Manager for an IT firm in Sydney. I'm where I am by educating myself in business! Simple as that. If the boss had a problem I would solve it and soon I was noticed. I'm on track for launching my new business in Feb and will be working for no one but myself.
One of my close friends was kicked out 1 month b4 me.. lol. I always said that I have the higher education and will get further! He started packing boxes in a food factory, moved to driving a fork lift, to driving a turret, then to end line operator, quality control, scheduling the beverage department, moved into the IT department as SAP operations manager and now he is production manager for all products. He earns around 100K.
Not bad for people that got kicked out of school. oh and by the way we are 23yo
I got kicked out of school in my last year... However I have had many good jobs and owned and sold a business as well. I currently work as a Sales Manager for an IT firm in Sydney. I'm where I am by educating myself in business! Simple as that. If the boss had a problem I would solve it and soon I was noticed. I'm on track for launching my new business in Feb and will be working for no one but myself.
One of my close friends was kicked out 1 month b4 me.. lol. I always said that I have the higher education and will get further! He started packing boxes in a food factory, moved to driving a fork lift, to driving a turret, then to end line operator, quality control, scheduling the beverage department, moved into the IT department as SAP operations manager and now he is production manager for all products. He earns around 100K.
Not bad for people that got kicked out of school. oh and by the way we are 23yo
I got a 142 on that high iq test link, and i am barely awake.
College degrees don't mean anything, i've had a few professors that had doctorate degrees and we're idiots. If your of average intelligence and want to work, you can get as many degrees as you want.
I'm currently wasting 4 years of life on a degree, even though i just skim the material, show up for tests and pass the classes. What a waste. I do learn some stuff, just not nearly enough to justify the 4 years. I could read on my own and learn all of this stuff in a year. But unfortunately a degree means something in today's society.
College degrees don't mean anything, i've had a few professors that had doctorate degrees and we're idiots. If your of average intelligence and want to work, you can get as many degrees as you want.
I'm currently wasting 4 years of life on a degree, even though i just skim the material, show up for tests and pass the classes. What a waste. I do learn some stuff, just not nearly enough to justify the 4 years. I could read on my own and learn all of this stuff in a year. But unfortunately a degree means something in today's society.
Fun to see all the coddelled little surburanites with no real world life experiences (i.e. NOT being paid by mommy and daddy) jump on someone for not having his schooling paid for. Sigh.
Some people have to actually deal with reality, even as soon as high school. In high school I had to drop out in order to be able to work enough to pay my rent, buy food, etc. I COULD have pulled it off no doubt, and maybe I was stupid for not just sticking through it.. But I learned more running my own business, and would never have even close to the jobs I've held if I would have taken the "traditional" path. I allready make more than anyone in my family, by a long shot. And I come from a history of college educated backgrounds.
Someday when I have some decent cash saved I hope to go to college, just to learn stuff. Probably go and strudy history. Most IT (save perhaps CSCI, but the first couple years seem worthless there as well) courses are utterly worthless and not worth the time. I'd want something that would interest me to study.
Bring back the education is education. Not the "lets learn the minimum amount possible to graduate and half-ass some easy job somewhere".
I've seen plenty of college educated dimwits out there, who relied on my uneducated heathen self to do their work for them. I have also seen a select few very bright college grads. However, out of most of the people I've worked with in the IT industry, the TRUE players (the guys you never hear of) almost by a rule dropped out of high school. The smartest people in IT I have ever met did not graduate, which quite honestly was a shock coming into things as a "newbie" thinking I'd know nothing compared to college grads. Instead, it turned out the people college tends to turn out are clueless, unless the guy wanted to learn it before going to college anyways.
Ah well, not even trying to organize a coherent thought.
-PHil
Some people have to actually deal with reality, even as soon as high school. In high school I had to drop out in order to be able to work enough to pay my rent, buy food, etc. I COULD have pulled it off no doubt, and maybe I was stupid for not just sticking through it.. But I learned more running my own business, and would never have even close to the jobs I've held if I would have taken the "traditional" path. I allready make more than anyone in my family, by a long shot. And I come from a history of college educated backgrounds.
Someday when I have some decent cash saved I hope to go to college, just to learn stuff. Probably go and strudy history. Most IT (save perhaps CSCI, but the first couple years seem worthless there as well) courses are utterly worthless and not worth the time. I'd want something that would interest me to study.
Bring back the education is education. Not the "lets learn the minimum amount possible to graduate and half-ass some easy job somewhere".
I've seen plenty of college educated dimwits out there, who relied on my uneducated heathen self to do their work for them. I have also seen a select few very bright college grads. However, out of most of the people I've worked with in the IT industry, the TRUE players (the guys you never hear of) almost by a rule dropped out of high school. The smartest people in IT I have ever met did not graduate, which quite honestly was a shock coming into things as a "newbie" thinking I'd know nothing compared to college grads. Instead, it turned out the people college tends to turn out are clueless, unless the guy wanted to learn it before going to college anyways.
Ah well, not even trying to organize a coherent thought.
-PHil
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
On the "Exceptional test" all the way to the right? I'm calling bull.
Me too
He couldn't even distinguish the difference between "your" and "you're" in his sentence I scored a 120 on the 'exceptional' test and only answered 7 of the questions (bogus answers for the rest so I could complete it & get my score). Other than those 7 I'd have to work on getting answers for the rest of them so I didn't bother. Taking time to work on it I could probably squeeze out a few more.
You wouldn't happen to be referring to those large moneymaking ventures that use the supposedly philanthropic guise of "education" to bilk students out of thousands upon thousands of dollars?
Those ones that are no better than any other "corporation?"
Because that's who missed the entire point of schooling...and they lost sight of it 100 years ago.
general rule: if you can't spell "her" and use the word "cuzz" in a written sentence, you are dumb.
I took the 5 minute test, didn't realize there was an 'exceptional' test. I haven't had time to do it yet, but i looked at a few and they looked rather challenging.
Originally posted by: XCLAN
I just took an IQ test and scored 142, wich means I am gifted. My wife spent 7 years in college at Tulane as a master in physics, and i outscored here!
Having a high IQ is cute and all but it doesnt guarantee success in life. As long as someone is not mentally handicapped in any way, I feel that work ethic and common sense are just as if not more important to have.
Wow!
I posted this not to brag, not to put anyone down, not to compare myself to any of you. i posted it cuzz i was sittin here for years wondering if i am gunna do good in college, I know i do excellent at most everything i do. All I wanted to say is...."I am happy" you guyz come in here and flame me, like you have a problem with being proud of myself.
do i go into threads where people post pictures of their nice cars, and tell them mine is better than theirs.....I dont need to go on with 100s of other places this would apply.
If you dont like my post.....and feel the urge to crap....go use yer toilet...not this thread.
BTW i belive that being a good person with goals will get you much higher in life than education.
I am all for education, But i would rather be poor and broke{wich i am neither} than an over educated...college paid for by daddy and mommy, driving my free porsche i got for a+ grades and be a total jerk to top it all off.....
there were many good people in this thread....sadly however....there are plenty of Sour people here who need to get off of this thread....if they are so educated....why not go create a cure for A.I.D.S. and stop flaming me ? just a thought..
i would rather have a 40 iq and ride a wheelchair all day than to be a jack@ss.
go ahead pick apart my grammar and spelling.....is it constructive criticism? or just to be a jerk? hmmmmm
I posted this not to brag, not to put anyone down, not to compare myself to any of you. i posted it cuzz i was sittin here for years wondering if i am gunna do good in college, I know i do excellent at most everything i do. All I wanted to say is...."I am happy" you guyz come in here and flame me, like you have a problem with being proud of myself.
do i go into threads where people post pictures of their nice cars, and tell them mine is better than theirs.....I dont need to go on with 100s of other places this would apply.
If you dont like my post.....and feel the urge to crap....go use yer toilet...not this thread.
BTW i belive that being a good person with goals will get you much higher in life than education.
I am all for education, But i would rather be poor and broke{wich i am neither} than an over educated...college paid for by daddy and mommy, driving my free porsche i got for a+ grades and be a total jerk to top it all off.....
there were many good people in this thread....sadly however....there are plenty of Sour people here who need to get off of this thread....if they are so educated....why not go create a cure for A.I.D.S. and stop flaming me ? just a thought..
i would rather have a 40 iq and ride a wheelchair all day than to be a jack@ss.
go ahead pick apart my grammar and spelling.....is it constructive criticism? or just to be a jerk? hmmmmm
-As I've said before... schooling is for those that "need" it. I've been a roofer, repaired and built computers, an apartment complex manager, security guard, salesman, cook (restaurant), waiter, bartender, grounds keeper (self employed), maintenance person, delivery person, repair person, etc... Not all the jobs I had paid enough for me to become a millionare from, but many of them did have that potential. I could make a lot of money then pay for excersize instead of getting paid to excersize... wooo hooo!
I have reasons for having had many jobs. I wouldn't be one of those employee's that bitch about thier job and did nothing about it! If I felt my employer was unworthy I would quit. I never had a problem finding a better job. I had multiple jobs at the same time. I've been dislocated a few times. I've was even homeless 4 years ago and only owned some clothes. Today I have a superb entertainment system including my computer (see system specs), and my car is paid for, i have all the local luxuries I cold want without being in debt. I currently have one of the best benefits packages around. I have more time off than most people (which is more valuable to me than the money at this point).
There are plenty of professions that you can learn on your own. I think learning stuff on your own would be more impressive to an employer than a diploma. I've had employers tell me they won't hire people that went to college. I'm not totally against college; as some fields require it. I'm just saying that it's not for everyone, and it isn't a prerequisite to becoming wealthy. I've also been told that I'm valuable as an employee because I can adapt to just about any task. Would you as an employer really want to hire someone who's education was bought for them?
The most important thing is that you find something that you enjoy. You spend most of your waking hours working... it would be nice to at least be able to enjoy it. If you have to go to college to do something you enjoy then do it. All I'm saying is that you don't have to to be able to earn a comfortable living.
Agreed. It shows your logical thinking also
But if you don't put time into it, you will never know will you?
I took the one all the way on the left. "Ultimate IQ Test" I got a 120 with a few college classes under my belt. I'm 27 and back in school and once my brain remembers how to function I'm sure that I can get a 121. BTW I was kind of watching a show about Tommy Lee to help make fun of a friend who worships him. That might have hurt me.
There is a guy in my town that droped outta high school as soon as he turned 16, now you can see him going down the road in one of his many nice cars. My two personal favorates are his black dodge viper, and his red dogde viper, although his vettes are nice too.
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