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realibrad

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Paratus said:
Here's the thing. You are right that his statement by itself doesn't mean he admitted to sexual assault. He didn't say, "I do it whether they want me to or not." Which I think we could all agree is admitting to assault.

Instead he basically said , I do it and they let me. Whether he essentially admitted to sexual assault depends not on whether he did it, (he said he did and he hasn't walked that back), but on his assumption of their consent.

Without any other information I would still agree it wouldn't constitute sexual assault, but we do have more information at least 12 women have come forward.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/all-the-women-accusing-trump-of-rape-sexual-assault.html

They have specifically refuted his assumption that they "let" him.

With that information in mind is his innocence a reasonable assumption to make?

If you take them at their word then no but
let's take a look at that anyway.

For him to be innocent all women who have accused him must be lying. If even one is telling the truth he's guilty.

It's a binary combinations problem.

Innocent = 1 in 2^12 = 0.024% chance
Guilty = 2^12 - 1 =99.975% chance

Now obviously in a court of law, (which fski pointed out this isn't), you could look for some kind of collusion or conspiracy that would make that 1 in 4096 chance more likely, but this brings us to the main point.

You are bending over backward to take his word on his assumption of their consent over their statement of their own consent to. Even with the extremely low likelihood he's innocent.

Why is that? Why are you treating them differently?

If you say it's because of innocent until proven guilty, would you still say that in a different but similar situation?

Say if Winnona Ryder said she takes stuff from stores without paying but it's fine because she's famous and they let her? Then 12 stores say no they didn't let her, she stole from them. Would you say she was innocent or likely guilty?

In this thread and others you demand an exceptionally high bar before you'll admit that a sexual assault was even likely. You've staked a very disturbing hill to die on.
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Here is the thing though, I'm not taking him at his words. My original statement was that moderate voters saw the audio tape as bad but not him saying sexual assault. The fact that many on the left saying sexual assault right after it happened before any woman came forward made people dismiss the women who did accuse him.

It's gross behavior any he likely assaulted multiple women if he did act like that. Sexual assault only looks probable when the women started coming forward, but because moderates thought the left was trying to play it up it hurt them. So as more came out it just looked like more trying to band wagon rather than more willing to speak up. I personally think he did assault women considering his ego. I bet he does believe in his BS and does that kind of shit. My point is that going to sexual assault so quickly hurt.

Some how I'm being seen as a Trump defender rather than explaining what happened.
 
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The swamp is striking back before he even gets into office.

Trump wants term limits, Congress not so much...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/u...term-limits-allies-in-congress-pull-away.html

Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, made that quite clear last week when he said the Senate outlook for term limits was severely limited.

“I would say we have term limits now,” Mr. McConnell told reporters. “They’re called elections. And it will not be on the agenda in the Senate.”

Still, Mr. Trump’s highlighting of his call for term limits — it is No. 1 on his list of priorities to “clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, D.C.” — revives an initiative that has been dormant in Washington for years after Republicans rode it to the House takeover in 1994 but then failed to make it happen.
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Also the possible return of that amazing congressional goodie bag known as earmarks:

And term limits are just one issue. Conservatives also are raising the alarm about a move by House Republicans to restore congressional earmarks — special home-state spending — as long as they are directed to a government agency rather than a private interest, a source of corruption in the past.

Some lawmakers have argued that restoring the ability of individual lawmakers to earmark money would make it easier to pass spending bills, but critics are moving quickly to quash any effort to bring them back.

“It’s been barely a week since voters sent a resounding rejection of Washington insider politics, and yet House Republicans are already on the verge of proving they’re tone deaf,” said David McIntosh, the president of the Club for Growth and a former congressman from Indiana.
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All your money America? It will be mine to keep me and descendents with my Trump Organization in power. Thanks for electing me as your dictator-elect, now bend over and get ready for some grab grab.
 
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Doc Savage Fan said:
I heard that he was going to reintroduce slavery too. Oh my!
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12,250,376.2 of those that vote for Trump want to reintroduce slavery to the confederate states. If you use a YouGov poll as an accurate indicator of actual voters. So, not only draining the swamp, refilling it with silent KKK members, etc. No wonder Ben Carson was like NOPE, Nope, nope. "It would be like a fish out of water. Now where did I put my luggage?"
 
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realibrad

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Agree. Regardless, the hysteria will continue unabated.
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This was a horrible election season. He was a uhgh part of that too. The whole Hillary should be in jail thing and then right after the win saying she was a good person is BS. Its going to take a while to calm down if things go good. If something happens, and we are on a hair trigger...
 
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NostaSeronx said:
12,250,376.2 of those that vote for Trump want to reintroduce slavery to the confederate states. If you use a YouGov poll as an accurate indicator of actual voters. So, not only draining the swamp, refilling it with silent KKK members, etc. No wonder Ben Carson was like NOPE, Nope, nope. "It would be like a fish out of water. Now where did I put my luggage?"
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You're so full of shit it isn't even funny. Carson's passing on a cabinet position has NOTHING to do with some kooks who may want to reintroduce slavery....NOTHING. That's all you and your twisted grasp on reality. Seek help...dementia is a serious problem.
 
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soundforbjt said:
Just calling him out on a lie. Can't claim you're getting rid of lobbyists if you're not.
Pence lied.
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Pence lied, people will die!

Cmon, Rudy is Trump's boy. There's no way he isn't going to be rewarded for fighting the good fight, lobbyist or not.
 
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