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brycejones

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SP33Demon said:
Pence lied, people will die!

Cmon, Rudy is Trump's boy. There's no way he isn't going to be rewarded for fighting the good fight, lobbyist or not.
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Pence is a liar. ;)

Your point about Rudy being Trump's boy is fair. Honestly I'm not excited by his choices but will hold ultimate judgement based on what they actually do.
 
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NostaSeronx

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Just admit it. They are radical extremist Christians. That plan to forcibly convert humans away from Islam, LGBT, etc or kill sub-humans that are for LGBTQA, Unity, not their color etc.
 
PottedMeat

PottedMeat

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He did not immediately explain how either ban would be enforced.
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yeah that's the real question.

When Obama won the presidency the following year, he banned practicing lobbyists from participating in transition activities and banned those who had been a lobbyist in the previous year from joining the administration to work on issues they handled as lobbyists. Obama's transition team participants were also barred from lobbying the White House for a year after their departures.

With government influencers still firmly entrenched, Obama won re-election in 2012 after a second campaign that included almost no talk about the revolving door.
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it's just switching one group of lobbyists for another
 
K1052

K1052

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zinfamous said:
I hope it sticks. This is pretty much exactly what president-elect Obama instituted, and it didn't pan out within 2 years or so. :\
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Because there is no way to enforce such a policy unless Congress were to make it law, which they won't. They all want to be lobbyists after their time in the government is up.
 
Sonikku

Sonikku

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Time Warner wanted to lobby government into approving their mega merger with Comcast so they could fuse together and use their new found efficiency and consolidated resources to pass the savings onto consumers like me. They even said as such.
 
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LegendKiller

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NostaSeronx said:
Just admit it. They are radical extremist Christians. That plan to forcibly convert humans away from Islam, LGBT, etc or kill sub-humans that are for LGBTQA, Unity, not their color etc.
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Yeah, because Thiel is so anti-LGBTQ. In fact, nobody has ever seen Trump advocate for Republican inclusiveness of LGBTQ community.

You people are fucking hilarious. Bannon anti-semitic and anti-gay? LOL - explain Milo. A gay jew. Or Pollack, a Orthodox Jew.

Lefties are so wrapped up in their identity politics they are more than willing to advocate a communist muslim who has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, has defended the Nation of Islam, and has shown anti-Israel tendencies.
 
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fskimospy

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LegendKiller said:
Yeah, because Thiel is so anti-LGBTQ. In fact, nobody has ever seen Trump advocate for Republican inclusiveness of LGBTQ community.

You people are fucking hilarious. Bannon anti-semitic and anti-gay? LOL - explain Milo. A gay jew. Or Pollack, a Orthodox Jew.
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You might want to check into the views of the guy he selected as his running mate. While he's of course not as extreme as NostaSernox said, he's still absolutely fucking insane.

Lefties are so wrapped up in their identity politics they are more than willing to advocate a communist muslim who has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, has defended the Nation of Islam, and has shown anti-Israel tendencies.
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It's funny that you called other people insane and then tried to claim Obama was a communist Muslim, as that's pure, concentrated insanity. Reading a little too much Infowars recently?
 
buckshot24

buckshot24

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NostaSeronx said:
Just admit it. They are radical extremist Christians. That plan to forcibly convert humans away from Islam, LGBT, etc or kill sub-humans that are for LGBTQA, Unity, not their color etc.
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Shouldn't you be counting irrelevant popular votes?
 
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fskimospy

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Doc Savage Fan said:
Oh really? Is that what you call it? lol
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I mean you realize how incredibly easily this 'ban' is circumvented, right? All people have to do to join the team is de-register as a lobbyist and then they can immediately join, which people are already doing. This is actually a step back from Obama, who had a year long ban from whenever you terminated your lobbyist status. After leaving they can't be a lobbyist for five years maybe but they can be 'advisers' or 'consultants' or other such nonsense, which is how people already circumvent current lobbying bans. This was not very effective under Obama and it won't be very effective here. As was already said it's pure posturing.

The corruption I'm worried about from this administration has little to do with lobbyists, it has to do with a president who has a vast array of business interests that are totally opaque to the government that he has refused to divest his interests in. The potential for massive corruption in a Trump administration is unprecedented in all of American history. He better hope the Democrats never retake a single house of Congress during his administration as the scandals that will pour out of that will be endless.

I mean surely even you can admit the sheer scale of potential (likely?) corruption is worrying, no?
 
Sheik Yerbouti

Sheik Yerbouti

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buckshot24 said:
Shouldn't you be counting irrelevant popular votes?
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THE LIST™ YOU MUST GO TO!!!
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Doc Savage Fan

Doc Savage Fan

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fskimospy said:
I mean you realize how incredibly easily this 'ban' is circumvented, right? All people have to do to join the team is de-register as a lobbyist and then they can immediately join, which people are already doing. This is actually a step back from Obama, who had a year long ban from whenever you terminated your lobbyist status. After leaving they can't be a lobbyist for five years maybe but they can be 'advisers' or 'consultants' or other such nonsense, which is how people already circumvent current lobbying bans. This was not very effective under Obama and it won't be very effective here. As was already said it's pure posturing.

The corruption I'm worried about from this administration has little to do with lobbyists, it has to do with a president who has a vast array of business interests that are totally opaque to the government that he has refused to divest his interests in. The potential for massive corruption in a Trump administration is unprecedented in all of American history. He better hope the Democrats never retake a single house of Congress during his administration as the scandals that will pour out of that will be endless.

I mean surely even you can admit the sheer scale of potential (likely?) corruption is worrying, no?
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No...I'm not worried until I have good reason to be. Your FUD is lost on me.
 
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fskimospy

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Doc Savage Fan said:
No...I'm not worried until I have reason to be. Your FUD is lost on me.
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How would you even know if you had reason to be worried? The whole point of financial disclosure is so that third parties can evaluate if they need to be worried about corruption or not, which is something Trump refuses to do. This is why presidents divest their interests and place them in a blind trust, because the potential for corruption is massive.

If you think pointing to massive and obvious conflicts of interest for the most powerful person in the world is 'FUD' then you're delusional. It's a pretty sad day when partisanship has become so strong that people are willing to defend or brush off even basic good governance principles.
 
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