Dragon Age 3: Inquisition announced

[facetman]

Never used a controller much. My kids own one - but I have not played much as I am terrible at it - so would be even more frustrating. Yes- I have heard over and over- "just use a controller" = not the point. Bioware lied through their teeth saying over and over before release the game was designed and optimized for PC= total crap. Not just the controls -but the cutscenes are limited to 30 FPS= NOT for PC. Still enjoying the game- just my 2 cents.

 

[ControlD]

Just plug in a controller. The game works great with it.

This. I resisted at first too because I prefer keyboard and mouse controls for nearly everything. This game is designed with a controller in mind. It plays better and is more fun with a controller. That may suck for us traditional PC gamers but that's the way it is. And honestly after a lot of hours with this game I have come to enjoy using a controller. I feel a little dirty just saying that ...

 

[ControlD]

Never used a controller much. My kids own one - but I have not played much as I am terrible at it - so would be even more frustrating. Yes- I have heard over and over- "just use a controller" = not the point. Bioware lied through their teeth saying over and over before release the game was designed and optimized for PC= total crap. Not just the controls -but the cutscenes are limited to 30 FPS= NOT for PC. Still enjoying the game- just my 2 cents.

I hear you. I suck at using controllers too but the learning curve with this game is pretty gentle. It feels like second nature now.

There is a fix for the 30 FPS cut scenes by the way. On mobile now but I can link to it later if you don't find it.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I have problems with my hands that actually make it painful to use a controller. If i had one I might still try it, but it is disappointing how poorly the controls are for PC. i really think PC gamers have a right to demand good kb/mouse controls, not to just give in and use a controller. After all we are paying for the game and how hard can it really be.

Anyway, i was wondering what level most are when they finish the game. and when do you see dragons? i am lvl 13 and have opened almost all areas and seen only ine dragon, and that was just in the distance.

 

[Bateluer]

This. I resisted at first too because I prefer keyboard and mouse controls for nearly everything. This game is designed with a controller in mind. It plays better and is more fun with a controller.

Uncharted and Last of Us were well regarded and PS3 exclusives. And unplayable for me with controllers. Controllers do not allow proper gaming.

The PC controls in DAI may not be great, but they don't make the game unplayable the way a controller would.

That may suck for us traditional PC gamers but that's the way it is. And honestly after a lot of hours with this game I have come to enjoy using a controller. I feel a little dirty just saying that ...

If a publisher can't be bothered with implementing proper controls in their games, then I'll buy games from other devs and publishers. There are plenty of devs that don't ignore the PC.

 

[ControlD]

The PC controls in DAI may not be great, but they don't make the game unplayable the way a controller would.

:wub:

In what way does a controller make the game unplayable? I can assure you it plays just fine with one, and apparently without one as well. Win all around I guess.

 

[Bateluer]

:wub:

In what way does a controller make the game unplayable? I can assure you it plays just fine with one, and apparently without one as well. Win all around I guess.

Free look camera and the fact that you have to aim the player character towards a target to hit it. Only games that work better on controllers are fighting games and racing games. Flight Sims work with neither controller or M+K, they need a joystick.

 

[bystander36]

I have problems with my hands that actually make it painful to use a controller. If i had one I might still try it, but it is disappointing how poorly the controls are for PC. i really think PC gamers have a right to demand good kb/mouse controls, not to just give in and use a controller. After all we are paying for the game and how hard can it really be.

Anyway, i was wondering what level most are when they finish the game. and when do you see dragons? i am lvl 13 and have opened almost all areas and seen only ine dragon, and that was just in the distance.

Level 13/14 is about the level you might fight your first dragon. I would not try earlier. The Hinterlands is the first you'd likely want to try, but at 13, you'll have to make good tactical choices to have a chance.

I finished the game at level 23, which happens to be the level of the highest leveled dragon and final boss. I believe the game recommends level 17-19 for to start the final mission, but given the level of the final boss, I think that may be low balling it, unless he levels to your level.

 

[ControlD]

I have problems with my hands that actually make it painful to use a controller. If i had one I might still try it, but it is disappointing how poorly the controls are for PC. i really think PC gamers have a right to demand good kb/mouse controls, not to just give in and use a controller. After all we are paying for the game and how hard can it really be.

Anyway, i was wondering what level most are when they finish the game. and when do you see dragons? i am lvl 13 and have opened almost all areas and seen only ine dragon, and that was just in the distance.

For what it's worth I agree with you. I wish they could have given us the same basic control scheme the last two games used.

I am currently level 20 and I have taken down three dragons. I believe I was about level 15 or 16 when I took down the first one. I tried a couple of times earlier than that but failed. I have only done a few of the story quests to this point. I am still having fun running through the zones and I tend to get side tracked doing all of the side stuff.

 

[zinfamous]

Level 13/14 is about the level you might fight your first dragon. I would not try earlier. The Hinterlands is the first you'd likely want to try, but at 13, you'll have to make good tactical choices to have a chance.

I finished the game at level 23, which happens to be the level of the highest leveled dragon and final boss. I believe the game recommends level 17-19 for to start the final mission, but given the level of the final boss, I think that may be low balling it, unless he levels to your level.

I was also 23 when I finished, though I took that mostly to be my lollygagging and finishing everything that I possibly could tolerate. I feel that 17-19 would be way too low for the final boss--especially

Spoiler

if you don't have ranged. I mean, you will probably have companions that can do this, but there is an annoying sequence where you can only hit him ranged. that pissed me off

I think the Hinterlands dragon isn't the lowest-leveled. I want to say that is the Crestwood dragon, but I'm not positive. I recall that being level 12, and Hinterlands is 14 or so. It was more difficult for me than was the Hinterlands dragon, as well.

 

[Bateluer]

I think the Hinterlands dragon isn't the lowest-leveled. I want to say that is the Crestwood dragon, but I'm not positive. I recall that being level 12, and Hinterlands is 14 or so. It was more difficult for me than was the Hinterlands dragon, as well.

According to the wiki, the Hinterlands Dragon is the lowest level, with Crestwood being the second lowest.

http://dragonage3.wiki.fextralife.com/High+Dragons

 

[futurefields]

Uncharted and Last of Us were well regarded and PS3 exclusives. And unplayable for me with controllers. Controllers do not allow proper gaming.

lol "controllers do not allow proper gaming" lololol

 

[IEC]

lol "controllers do not allow proper gaming" lololol

Some people aren't blessed with normal function in their hands. Just saying...

 

[Bateluer]

lol "controllers do not allow proper gaming" lololol

Some people aren't blessed with normal function in their hands. Just saying...

My hands are perfectly normal with no injuries or deformities. I just grew up with a PC, not a console and never played any of the old Ataris, NESs, or Playstations. Be weaned on a K+M controller in a shooter, and a controller makes the game unplayable. I don't think I made it an hour into any of the Uncharted games or Last of Us; and those games were critically acclaimed as the best the PS3 had. And the controls made all 4 totally unplayable.

It is a fact, outside of console peasantry, that the K+B is the best control scheme for nearly all genres, with a few notable exceptions. My aforementioned racing games and fighting games, for example. RPGs, RTS, TBS, FPS, RPS, and so on, all superior with a K+M. Developers failing to actually implement a decent UI not withstanding.

From the screen shots I've seen of the controller UI in DAI, I can say it would also be ineffective for me. Looks I'd constantly be flipping the triggers to cycle through the ability keys. On the keyboard, all 8 are accessible without moving my fingers from WASD.

 

[escrow4]

I was also 23 when I finished, though I took that mostly to be my lollygagging and finishing everything that I possibly could tolerate. I feel that 17-19 would be way too low for the final boss--especially

Spoiler

if you don't have ranged. I mean, you will probably have companions that can do this, but there is an annoying sequence where you can only hit him ranged. that pissed me off

I think the Hinterlands dragon isn't the lowest-leveled. I want to say that is the Crestwood dragon, but I'm not positive. I recall that being level 12, and Hinterlands is 14 or so. It was more difficult for me than was the Hinterlands dragon, as well.

Actually you can always run up to the final boss and whack at will. There are stairs in the first bit. Finished at Lv 22 I think and on casual it wasn't that hard.

 

[Bateluer]

Actually you can always run up to the final boss and whack at will. There are stairs in the first bit. Finished at Lv 22 I think and on casual it wasn't that hard.

Pacing in the 4th DA game will need to be adjusted methinks. In DAI, its ridiculously easy to become overpowered. I'm level 20 right now, barely touched anything in the Exalted Plains or Hissing Wastes, just finished Here Lies the Abyss, and I still need to start Wicked Eyes. If you do even a percentage of the content in DAI, you're going into those final quests extremely overpowered.

 

[Red Hawk]

My hands are perfectly normal with no injuries or deformities. I just grew up with a PC, not a console and never played any of the old Ataris, NESs, or Playstations. Be weaned on a K+M controller in a shooter, and a controller makes the game unplayable.

What a depressing childhood that must have been.

I've recently tried playing the game with a controller rather than K+M, and I have to admit it really makes the game come alive. There's little lost from the keyboard, as the K+M controls were really just ported from the controller. The camera feels more cooperative and fluid and the action flows better. It's also nice to lean back in my chair away from my monitor and take in the whole screen, with all the motion and effects on display (all at a smooth framerate -- even on my 270X, battles seem smooth). I'd say it's even enhanced my visual experience in playing the game.

 

[Bateluer]

What a depressing childhood that must have been.

Not really. I had a PC. At the same time people were raving about Goldeneye, I was playing GLQuake.

 

[Red Hawk]

Not really. I had a PC. At the same time people were raving about Goldeneye, I was playing GLQuake.

And yet there's no substitute for Legend of Zelda.

 

[Bateluer]

And yet there's no substitute for Legend of Zelda.

Ultima was far superior.

By the time I saw the games the console players were raving about, I wasn't impressed because I'd already seen better visuals, better story, better characters.

 

[Red Hawk]

Ultima was far superior.

By the time I saw the games the console players were raving about, I wasn't impressed because I'd already seen better visuals, better story, better characters.

Ultima is a different genre, really. Ultima was a forerunner of the computer RPG, while Legend of Zelda, while it has RPG elements and did influence later RPGs, is an action/puzzle game at heart. There is no better example of captivating dungeon-crawling level design, in my opinion, and the open world approach of the overworld is great too. PC is always ahead of consoles in visual fidelity, but prefer the visual style of, say, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past over Ultima VII.

And there's the music. I'm sorry, but Ultima has nothing like Koji Kondo in its arsenal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1j2zp3gx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhmOR2DnFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbEqUKsMVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aqUR0Y3dM0

 

[Bateluer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1j2zp3gx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhmOR2DnFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbEqUKsMVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aqUR0Y3dM0

See, I have no nostalgic connection to 8bit music. That just sounds like olde timey noise.

 

[Red Hawk]

See, I have no nostalgic connection to 8bit music. That just sounds like olde timey noise.

Again, depressing childhood.

 

[ControlD]

What a depressing childhood that must have been.

I've recently tried playing the game with a controller rather than K+M, and I have to admit it really makes the game come alive. There's little lost from the keyboard, as the K+M controls were really just ported from the controller. The camera feels more cooperative and fluid and the action flows better. It's also nice to lean back in my chair away from my monitor and take in the whole screen, with all the motion and effects on display (all at a smooth framerate -- even on my 270X, battles seem smooth). I'd say it's even enhanced my visual experience in playing the game.

That's pretty much my experience as well. The thing is, I'm a little too old to have been brought up with consoles and controllers, at least anything with more than one or two buttons (I'm 45) so I'm not really a controller guy. Usually I look like a business major trying to work an RPN calculator when it comes to anything that requires two sticks and a a multitude of buttons! I remember trying to play Zelda on the N64 with my nephews and I pretty much got laughed out of the room.

To each their own though. I tried DA:I for about 4 hours with km+m and switched to a controller and the game is better with it. Anyhow, nobody is going to change anyone else's mind most likely, I'm glad the kb+m controls are better than my experiences showed them to be.

 

[exar333]

I was also 23 when I finished, though I took that mostly to be my lollygagging and finishing everything that I possibly could tolerate. I feel that 17-19 would be way too low for the final boss--especially

Spoiler

if you don't have ranged. I mean, you will probably have companions that can do this, but there is an annoying sequence where you can only hit him ranged. that pissed me off

I think the Hinterlands dragon isn't the lowest-leveled. I want to say that is the Crestwood dragon, but I'm not positive. I recall that being level 12, and Hinterlands is 14 or so. It was more difficult for me than was the Hinterlands dragon, as well.

Honestly, after playing most of the content so far (should finish the game shortly) you could do a quick play through simply by getting to around lvl 15 and then progressing through the dragons from easiest to hardest. You could then start the main quest and finish very quickly. You level INSANELY fast through dragon battles and generally get the loot too.

If you just picked one or two areas to spend the most time on, it would be the Hissing Wastes and (Empire Du leon - to a lesser degree). The wastes give some great schematics and have the best armor schematic shop in the game. Empire Du Leon has some of the best materials and if you clear out the Templars, you get access to a great weapon schematic shop. Just doing those two areas after/during the dragons could net you a LOT.

Pretty much if you look where the dragons are in each level, you can just make a bee-line to them and defeat them.