Doom 3 Requirements.

[jcwagers]

Originally posted by: shady06
LOL, i feel sorry for the sucker that is going to drop $40-50 for Doom III and run it on:

1GHz CPU
256MB RAM
GF1 or Radeon 7xxx series card

Shuddup and quit makin' fun of my rig!

I'm pretty close to those specs. 1.2ghz, 512mb ram, Radeon 8500. Maybe I won't be buying this game anytime soon. I'll just listen to you guys talk about it.

jc

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: apoppin
RIDICULOUS . . .and NOW we have PROOF that Doom III won't require much over a mid-level system (with a DX9 card) to (really) enjoy it's visuals.

No, we don't have proof. Things written on product packaging and company websites are not proof. They are marketing. When anand benchmarks the game we will have "proof". I can't believe we're still debating this.

Yes we do. When the DOOM III box lists the Minimum System Requirements, it is the Word of God.



:roll:

We are discussing requirements?!; i just linked you the MINIMUM . . . nothing more and nothing less.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
apoppin, please don't use words like proof until Anandtech or *cough* Tomshardware comes out with a review AND a couple of people have actually used it.

What do "reviews" have to do with Minimum System Requirements?

They are listed on the Doom III box.

:roll:

you guys crack me up

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: apoppin
What do "reviews" have to do with Minimum System Requirements?

They are listed on the Doom III box.

OK apoppin, put yourself in this position:

You just spent 4 years of your life programming a computer game. You now want to become independantly wealthy by selling your game to the masses. You fully realize that you want this game engine to last at least 3 years so that you can licence it to third parties and make even more money. Now, do you:

-be honest, and tell people that they really should use an R9700PRO to run the game (realizing that only 15% of people have this type of rig or better) OR

-would you be shady and tell them that the game will run on a GeForce1 card (realizing that 95% of people have this type of rig or better)

Keep in mind that you want to sell this game to as many people as possible and you want to appeal to a very wide audience.

Hopefully you will get my point this time. After this I think I will permanently give up discussing things written on boxes with you.

 

[clicknext]

lol, I just updated most of the parts in my system within the last half year or so and I don't even meet your md-range.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: apoppin
What do "reviews" have to do with Minimum System Requirements?

They are listed on the Doom III box.

OK apoppin, put yourself in this position:

You just spent 4 years of your life programming a computer game. You now want to become independantly wealthy by selling your game to the masses. You fully realize that you want this game engine to last at least 3 years so that you can licence it to third parties and make even more money. Now, do you:

-be honest, and tell people that they really should use an R9700PRO to run the game (realizing that only 15% of people have this type of rig or better) OR

-would you be shady and tell them that the game will run on a GeForce1 card (realizing that 95% of people have this type of rig or better)

Keep in mind that you want to sell this game to as many people as possible and you want to appeal to a very wide audience.

Hopefully you will get my point this time. After this I think I will permanently give up discussing things written on boxes with you.

i GOT your point ages ago.

We are NOT discussing the SAME thing.

I am talking about the MINimum system requirements - the Specs that id puts on the box so it doesn't get SUED.

:roll:

Carmack/id has a GOOD reputation; he has stated OVER & OVER that he wants to make Doom III a playable experience for GF2/3; he ALSO pointed out that he wants gamers to enjoy the experience SO MUCH they UPgrade their HW so they can see even MORE.

If you want to disregard ALL the MOUNTAINS of posted evidence, no prob w/me.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Carmack/id has a GOOD reputation; he has stated OVER & OVER that he wants to make Doom III a playable experience for GF2/3; he ALSO pointed out that he wants gamers to enjoy the experience SO MUCH they UPgrade their HW so they can see even MORE.

If you want to disregard ALL the MOUNTAINS of posted evidence, no prob w/me.

I suppose you would consider the E3 video of DoomIII running on an Xbox "evidence" then, right? Have you watched it? I consider that BARELY playable. There were scenes where it got bogged down to 10FPS, maybe even less than that. On top of that, the Xbox has a souped-up GF3. How do you think the game would run on a 32mb GF2 when the game needs to use texture compression even on a 128mb card!? Even on a GF3 it will probably be a slideshow. Keep in mind that the Xbox would have been running at 640x480 from what I understand. So, if you consider 10FPS at 640x480 playable, then sure, your evidence points to a GF3 being able to run the game acceptably.

You can't base your judgements based on what Carmack says. Do you remember what Bill Gates said when Windows 98 came out? He was at a press conference, and he was like "Windows 98 is the most stable and reliable operating system on the planet". 10 seconds later, the machine he was using and projecting on-screen to the audience showed a blue screen of death.

 

[apoppin]

Work on D3 for x-box barely started a year ago.

It'll run fine . . .

i guess we'll wait a few days and then i am gonna REMIND you of your silly doubts and no doubt i'll also rub it in.



No MORE religious discussions based on boxtop writings . . . i am SO out of here

(thief III is calling me)



EDIT: x-box . . .

733Mhz CPU/GF-3.5/64MB RAM

2nd EDIT: Cant trust Carmack? Heresy . . . . STONE the HERETIC

:roll:

 

[BFG10K]

i DON'T. i expect it to run as well as it can for a DX7 card and as well as it can for a DX8 card etc.

You're simply babbling now. The game will be unplayable on a GTS regardless of the mental contortions you attempt to throw at that fact.

my opinion is not unique; i can support mine w/o personal daft speculation

Your opinion shows an alarming lack of understanding of even the fundamentals

you're the one with the problem - you disregard what the lead designer at id says; 30fps a slide show? only in the opinion of a tiny but vocal disfunctional minority

I don't think so.

anything can happen . . . but for the vast majority who play d3 will play @60fps or less

Again I fail to see how that's related to anything.

I'm pointing out more evidence as to why you can't take those comments at face value while you continue to run off on some tangent about 60 FPS. 60 PFS isn't the point - the framerate cap is (or possible lack thereof) and how it relates to the other comments is the issue here.

and it can't have been optimized further to actually run on Dx8 (& 7!) for those gamer who are not 'gaming HW snobs'. No siree...

It could have but that gap has increased even more because the bulk of the shader work was slipped into the game only in the last year. Also I really doubt there's too much that can be done for optimizing non-shader boards as I'd imagine that was done pretty early on as the paths are relatively simple to implement.

But Nothing like what BFG10K is dreaming of.

Oh? And just what am I dreaming of? Tell me? Do you even know?

My stance so far on the issue:

• A GTS will be totally unplayable for this game.
• A 9700 NP will probably be the minimum card to allow a reasonable resolution with a reasonable framerate but even then you shouldn't expect miracles.
• I doubt even a 6800U/X800 XT will be able to run the game with everything cranked.

who think D3 is going to be as demanding as Far Cry.

I certainly never said that. For a start AFAICT Far Cry uses far more shaders than Doom III so of course it'll be more demanding.

DIII is a better engine and Carmack a better programmer.

That's true but expecting Quake III levels of performance is simply delusional. By default this is a much more demanding game.

 

[Double Trouble]

The reality is that the MIN specs listed on the box basically mean "yeah, if you have this minimum level of stuff, the game will technically run, but it will be hopelessly slow and not enjoyable". Those system requirements don't mean a whole lot to me, I'll see what the reviewers have to say about system requirements in the 'real world'.

Of course, one must also realize that ID is not going to make a game that is not fun to play for 90% of the potential buyers out there, so I'm certain the minimum requirements for playing the game (and actually enjoying it) won't be too stratospheric either. My guess is, a 2Ghz P4 (or equivalent) and a 9600 Pro (or equivalent) will allow you to enjoy the game, but won't truly showcase the game. For that, I'm guessing you'd be looking at a 9800 Pro and up.

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

The high end system spec seems fine, execpt for the 2GB of ram part.
If it uses more than 1GB, I'll be surprised, and buy more for my system, he he.
And a few reviews show that the BFG 6800GT OC is right there with the Ultra for $100 less.

 

[Safeway]

I am almost at High-End ... P4C 3.0Ghz, 1GB RAM, X800 XT PE ... I am planning on getting another GB of RAM. 4 x 512MB sticks, all in Dual Channel.

 

[Yanagi]

Im pretty sure you guys systems would run it really fine. Im stuck on my geforce 3 until january when im upgrading to the fastest out there. until then i will try to manage through it on my current rig If oyu have a X800/6800 series card I doubt you'll have problems running it.

 

[Sideswipe001]

Minimum requirements are just that. The requirements to RUN the game, no matter how bad it may look and sound. Here's an example - Halo for PC. The minimum requirements (released my Microsoft)?

# Computer/Processor: 733 megahertz (MHz) processor.
# DirectX: DirectX? 9.0 or later. (DirectX 9.0b is installed by Halo.)
# Memory: 128 megabytes (MB) of RAM.
# Hard Disk: 1.2 gigabytes (GB) of free hard disk space.
# Video card: 32 MB or 3D Transform and Lighting capable.
# CD: 8X.
# Sound: Sound card, speakers, or headphones with multiplayer play.

Anyone want to tell me exactly how well THAT game runs on a system like that? I seem to remember that game chugging on my old AXP @ 2200Mhz with a 9700 Pro.

Doom 3 will be similar. The minimun requirements are just that. The minimum to run the game, when the game is set to the minimum graphical and sound settings.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: tagej
The reality is that the MIN specs listed on the box basically mean "yeah, if you have this minimum level of stuff, the game will technically run, but it will be hopelessly slow and not enjoyable". Those system requirements don't mean a whole lot to me, I'll see what the reviewers have to say about system requirements in the 'real world'.

Of course, one must also realize that ID is not going to make a game that is not fun to play for 90% of the potential buyers out there, so I'm certain the minimum requirements for playing the game (and actually enjoying it) won't be too stratospheric either. My guess is, a 2Ghz P4 (or equivalent) and a 9600 Pro (or equivalent) will allow you to enjoy the game, but won't truly showcase the game. For that, I'm guessing you'd be looking at a 9800 Pro and up.

i gotta agree with you . . . "minimum specs" mean for me - "the game will "run" and id will be 'safe' from lawsuits from p.o.'d gamers.

:roll:

As to "enjoyability", your 'guess' is well in line with what i am expecting from my 'research':

1) GF2 "runs" w/1Ghz CPU
2) GF3 is 'playable' (w/o complex shaders)/1.5Ghz cpu
3) 9600 and 'above'/2.0Ghz CPU "satisfactory"
4) 9700pro/2.5Ghz WILL "showcase" the game
5) Uber system(xt-pe/a64-3700+) near "max" detail

and there isn't a whole lot more anyone can say until the reviews are out . . .

and that can't be far away

EDIT: i also understand the "requirements" are for a MIN of 256MB system RAM; heck, WinXP has a HARD time just "running" w/256MB

 

[apoppin]

old info





i'll try again . . . later.

 

[Regs]

The developers have stated you only need 30 FPS to enjoy this slow paced but action packed game. This coming from a interview between Todd and Gamepro.com .

So I think you'll likely get away with doing more than just 1024x768 with a 6800u.

 

[Arsynic]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Low-End:
1.5GhzP4 or equivalent
512MB Ram
Geforce4 Ti 4800 or Radeon 9500

Mid-Range:
2.4GhzP4 or equivalent
1GB RAM
Geforce5950 or Radeon 9800 Pro/XT

High-End:
3.4GhzP4 or AMD equivalent
2GB RAM
GeForce 6800 Ultra or Radeon X800 XT PE.

Far from official. Smells like BS to me.

I doubt a 5950 is "mid-range" for Doom3.

 

[Shagga]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Low-End:
1.5GhzP4 or equivalent
512MB Ram
Geforce4 Ti 4800 or Radeon 9500

Mid-Range:
2.4GhzP4 or equivalent
1GB RAM
Geforce5950 or Radeon 9800 Pro/XT

High-End:
3.4GhzP4 or AMD equivalent
2GB RAM
GeForce 6800 Ultra or Radeon X800 XT PE.

2 gigs of ram :Q

That'll do nicely thank you. got the P4 3.4 and the 2GB Ram, just need the the graphics card now, which isn't as easy as it sounds... :frown:

 

[Mullzy]

That leaked beta (which id ended up releasing fixes to the gaming community for) looked amazing but ran really slow on my system.

P4 2.8c @ 3.2
ATI 9800Pro @ Stock
512MB KHX3200

I got about 20-25fps for most of the levels I loaded up... and as low as 10fps if I turned on a flashlight. It looked amazing but was almost unplayable.

I'm going to assume that this almost 2 year old leaked beta code is far from as optimized as the retail release we're about to see in a couple weeks. Well... assume and HOPE!

 

[Shagga]

Doom 3 Center is reporting more news from the PC Gamer review that has just been released. The recommended system specs have been posted online as well as a list of GFX cards that are supported. The list is nothing that wasn't expected. Read More to view the specs...


2GHz CPU or equiv Athlon

512MB of RAM

Radeon 9800/GeForce FX 5600 and up

5 channel sound card with speakers (Sound Blaster Audigy 2)

The following graphics cards are all supported by Doom 3: GeForce 3/4/4MX/FX/6800 + ATI Radeon 8500/9000/9200/9500/9600/9700/9800/x800

Doom 3 Centre

So your all wrong......Muhahaha....

 

[GrumpyMan]

I can't believe how many people who have such nice rigs here feel the need to upgrade $400.00 to $500.00 at a pop for a more expensive graphics card and CPU, for a $50.00 game that they will finish in a week.

 

[Boogak]

Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
I can't believe how many people who have such nice rigs here feel the need to upgrade $400.00 to $500.00 at a pop for a more expensive graphics card and CPU, for a $50.00 game that they will finish in a week.

While the Doom3 single player will be finished in a week, what about multiplayer? Mods? Other games that will indoubtedly be based on the Doom3 engine? Look how popular the Quake3 engine is... the Doom3 engine will be powering a ton of games in the next few years.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
I can't believe how many people who have such nice rigs here feel the need to upgrade $400.00 to $500.00 at a pop for a more expensive graphics card and CPU, for a $50.00 game that they will finish in a week.

Because we want to play games like it fast with highest details possible?

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

We upgrade because this is the year of the FPS.
Besides D3, HL2 (where are you?) and Tribes Vengeance is coming out.
I want to play them with all detail at full.

You know, D3 always had an easy answer for their release date
When it's done.
So guess what the answer is for the system you need?
The best you can afford.

Oh, and I just ordered my BGF 6800GT OC from Chumbo.com for $399.
I mean, compared to hobbies others have, this isn't really that much. It's just that many gamers are young and don't have that kind of money, plus the old parts are not broken, they are just obsolete. So people can't justify spending $400.