Doom 3 Requirements.

[carni]

WOW! That glas spipe is eating my brain! I thought he had posted where he hi-jacked those requirements from. Those requiremenets came from one of the gaming mags and they were just guess work. Tghey also had guesses on far cry requirments, which were above my current rig set up, but my system ran Far Cry with everything set to max beautifully. Seeing as it was a guess, I would take those specs with a LARGE grain of salt.

 

[BFG10K]

Remember the D3 benches that Anand did last year? The whole FX series was blowing the equivalent Radeon 9x00 cards away.

The R4xx can now perform two Z/stencil ops per clock like the NV3x/NV40 can.

So there are going to be some differences depending on what system you have, but basically, a GeForce 2 class of card should be a full-impact experience at a reasonable frame rate.

Apoppin you are delusional if you believe that comment.

 

[Corporate Thug]

LOL, i feel sorry for the sucker that is going to drop $40-50 for Doom III and run it on:

1GHz CPU
256MB RAM
GF1 or Radeon 7xxx series card

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Remember the D3 benches that Anand did last year? The whole FX series was blowing the equivalent Radeon 9x00 cards away.

The R4xx can now perform two Z/stencil ops per clock like the NV3x/NV40 can.

So there are going to be some differences depending on what system you have, but basically, a GeForce 2 class of card should be a full-impact experience at a reasonable frame rate.

Apoppin you are delusional if you believe that comment.

Did you see where it came from?

:roll:

or should i believe you, instead.

:roll:

:roll:

 

[BFG10K]

Did you see where it came from?

Yes, a guy who wants to sell copies of the game. The important thing is that it did not come from Carmack.

or should i believe you, instead.

Or try the third option for a change - think for yourself. You'd be amazed at what you come up with.

Not only will a GF2 will run a reduced IQ path but you'll also likely have turn everything down even just to get 25-30 FPS.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Did you see where it came from?

Yes, a guy who wants to sell copies of the game. The important thing is that it did not come from Carmack.

or should i believe you, instead.

Or try the third option for a change - think for yourself. You'd be amazed at what you come up with.

Not only will a GF2 will run a reduced IQ path but you'll also likely have turn everything down even just to get 25-30 FPS.

I think id's CEO, Todd Hollenshead, and Doom 3's lead designer, Tim Willits know MORE about hardware requirements for Doom III then you do.

:roll:

Your credibility is just about ZERO now.

 

[Koudelka]

I know everything right now is a guesstimate, and nothing is FACT. But, do you think a:

AMD 3500+
ATI x800 PRO
1gig Corsair DDR pc3200 XMS

Could run DoomIII in all its glory?

I know i probably wont get an answer, but i hope so. I just upgraded to this right now, and i dont want to have to upgrade AGAIN.

I'm always a fan for better graphics.. but the games right now are going beyond their bounds for a moment. Hardly ANYONE is going to be able to run the game at full. Not too many people like us spend a good portion of their money upgrading their computer all the time.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Koudelka
I know everything right now is a guesstimate, and nothing is FACT. But, do you think a:

AMD 3500+
ATI x800 PRO
1gig Corsair DDR pc3200 XMS

Could run DoomIII in all its glory?

I know i probably wont get an answer, but i hope so. I just upgraded to this right now, and i dont want to have to upgrade AGAIN.

I'm always a fan for better graphics.. but the games right now are going beyond their bounds for a moment. Hardly ANYONE is going to be able to run the game at full. Not too many people like us spend a good portion of their money upgrading their computer all the time.

You didn't read the thread did you?

Let me Link again - especially for you and BFG10K (who evidently have a high degree of attention deficit disorder):


GamePro's 10/03/03 Inrterview With id's CEO, Todd Hollenshead, and Doom 3's lead designer, Tim Willits

GP: A lot of our readers are interested in the Xbox version of Doom 3 because they don't think their PCs will be able to run it. Is an Xbox version still on the horizon?

TH: The Xbox version of Doom 3 is actually in development now. We have the technology up and running on the machine. We don't have any plans for shipping concurrently with the PC version, so it will come afterwards. The challenges there are the 64 megs of RAM versus what we're looking at on the PC, 256 megs. We're going to have to make some concessions to that memory bandwidth, just in terms of the number of textures that we use, the texture resolution, and some other things. On the PC, we are looking at a 1-gigahertz processor versus a 733 PIII from the Xbox. But the Xbox is a full-impact platform.

GP: So the base is a 1 Gigahertz processor for playability on PC?

TH: Yeah. Really, the gating factor for most PCs will be the graphics card. You have to have geometry acceleration on the board. Basically, we're looking at it as you don't have to start turning stuff off to make it run at an acceptable framerate. The framerate taps out at 60 frames per second?it won't ever run faster than that. We believe that everybody will be able to enjoy the experience at 30 frames per second. So there are going to be some differences depending on what system you have, but basically, a GeForce 2 class of card should be a full-impact experience at a reasonable frame rate.

Nothing from ID has been "updated" re: system requirements, so it shouldn't be much more than the above.

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: apoppin

You didn't read the thread did you?

Let me Link again - especially for you and BFG10K (who evidently have a high degree of attention deficit disorder):

I read the thread, but is he talking about 30 FPS with all settings on highest detail? He doesnt mention, therefore, his statement is more or less useless to those of us avid gamers looking to anticipate as much eye candy as possible on our own rigs.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Koudelka

Originally posted by: apoppin

You didn't read the thread did you?

Let me Link again - especially for you and BFG10K (who evidently have a high degree of attention deficit disorder):

i was making a little "jab' back at BFG10K who urged me to "think" . . .


I read the thread, but is he talking about 30 FPS with all settings on highest detail? He doesnt mention, therefore, his statement is more or less useless to those of us avid gamers looking to anticipate as much eye candy as possible on our own rigs.

Everything is a "guess" right now . . . HOWEVER, since Doom III is OFFICIALLY GOLD, we should start to see screenshots of the Box VERY shortly and will get to read the "optimal" requirements right off of it.

I guess the BETTER your rig, the better the experience will be . . . but you are (evidently) LIMITED to 60FPS, no matter what.

edit: BTW, your rig is NICE. It will play Doom III better than 98% of the rigs on the planet.

2nd edit: what resolution do you game at?

 

[Koudelka]

I'd crap my pants if i could turn on highest settings and get to even 45 FPS. No complaints here.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Koudelka
I'd crap my pants if i could turn on highest settings and get to even 45 FPS. No complaints here.

i'd be glad to settle for 1024x768/minimal aa/af/medium settings @ min 30FPS.

But then i'm only running a p4 2.80c@3.31Ghz/1GB PC3500/Radeon 9800xt

the last time DIII was publically shown ('03), it was running pretty nicely an a similar setup to mine (2.4Ghz P4/Radeon 9800Pro) . . .

id is NOT aiming solely at the top 2% of computer gamers (but they DO want to provide the BEST experience for THEM) - or they will be OUT of business.

Don't worry.

EDIT: Evidently from reading the review - you WILL crap your pants.

 

[BFG10K]

I think id's CEO, Todd Hollenshead, and Doom 3's lead designer, Tim Willits know MORE about hardware requirements for Doom III then you do.

Tell me, how do you expect the same level of effects on a GF2 given it doesn't even support shaders? Likewise how do you expect a GF2 to run the game well given the card has been obsolete for at least two years?

Again how about you think for yourself for a change instead of just parroting what you read whenever it suits your delusional comments?

Your credibility is just about ZERO now.

At least I had credibility to begin with.

Let me Link again - especially for you and BFG10K (who evidently have a high degree of attention deficit disorder):

You're the one who has a problem understanding technology and also that 30 FPS is a slideshow.

I guess the BETTER your rig, the better the experience will be . . . but you are (evidently) LIMITED to 60FPS, no matter what.

That remains to be seen. Quake III was "capped" to 85 FPS yet it actually wasn't. I find it extremely unlikely that the cap can't be disabled given it'll make benchmarking impossible if that's the case.

the last time DIII was publically shown ('03), it was running pretty nicely an a similar setup to mine (2.4Ghz P4/Radeon 9800Pro) . . .

And it couldn't possibly be that extra features have been added in the last year. No siree... :roll:

Not only that but IIRC some benchmark results were above 60 FPS which puts a dent into the whole cap theory.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I think id's CEO, Todd Hollenshead, and Doom 3's lead designer, Tim Willits know MORE about hardware requirements for Doom III then you do.

Tell me, how do you expect the same level of effects on a GF2 given it doesn't even support shaders? Likewise how do you expect a GF2 to run the game well given the card has been obsolete for at least two years?
i DON'T. i expect it to run as well as it can for a DX7 card and as well as it can for a DX8 card etc. Clearly, each level of DX will give much better effects . .. but for a gamer used to his GF3, it'll look "great" - as good as the better 2002 games - NOT like on an ultra-xt.

Again how about you think for yourself for a change instead of just parroting what you read whenever it suits your delusional comments?
my opinion is not unique; i can support mine w/o personal daft speculation

Your credibility is just about ZERO now.

At least I had credibility to begin with.
in your own mind :roll:

Let me Link again - especially for you and BFG10K (who evidently have a high degree of attention deficit disorder):

You're the one who has a problem understanding technology and also that 30 FPS is a slideshow.
you're the one with the problem - you disregard what the lead designer at id says; 30fps a slide show? only in the opinion of a tiny but vocal disfunctional minority

I guess the BETTER your rig, the better the experience will be . . . but you are (evidently) LIMITED to 60FPS, no matter what.

That remains to be seen. Quake III was "capped" to 85 FPS yet it actually wasn't. I find it extremely unlikely that the cap can't be disabled given it'll make benchmarking impossible if that's the case.
anything can happen . . . but for the vast majority who play d3 will play @60fps or less

the last time DIII was publically shown ('03), it was running pretty nicely an a similar setup to mine (2.4Ghz P4/Radeon 9800Pro) . . .

And it couldn't possibly be that extra features have been added in the last year. No siree... :roll:
and it can't have been optimized further to actually run on Dx8 (& 7!) for those gamer who are not 'gaming HW snobs'. No siree... :roll:

Not only that but IIRC some benchmark results were above 60 FPS which puts a dent into the whole cap theory.

whatever; we have disagreed on this publically for over 2 years and i guess we'll see soon enough . . . not that we'll agree on what we see . . .


you're pretty stubborn.



:roll:




edited again

 

[Nebor]

Your credibility is just about ZERO now.

That goon never had any to begin with. He's a board nazi, plain and simple.

I'm wondering if my p4 @ 3.5ghz and a r9800p @ 420\360 can run Doom 3 @ 1280x1024 w/ 4xAA and 8xAF and nice details.... Or do I need to upgrade my video card to a 6800 Ultra? Or upgrade CPU to an a64? Both?

 

[apoppin]

We are actually starting to see system requirements for Doom III:

Doom III FAQ

What are the system requirements?
John Carmack is aiming to have the game run smooth on a GeForce 3 PC with 512 MB ram and a 1 GHz processor. Of course, unless you want to turn off the many graphical features DooM³ will support , purchase an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (or its equivalent).

GoGamers lists it a little higher:

Windows 2000/XP, Pentium 1.4 GHz, 256MB RAM, 64MB DirectX 9.0 compatible 3D graphics card,

But Nothing like what BFG10K is dreaming of.

:roll:

 

[Nebor]

I don't even think it's worth posting to disprove BFG10k.... I mean 1) You're not going to change his mind and 2) Everyone knows everything he says is crap in the first place.

 

[Markfw]

Here is my gut feeling.... You would need a Radeon 9100 or better just to play. To have any decent graphics, a 9600. To really enjoy a 9700pro or better, and to kick a$$, an Athlon64 3400 with a X800XT ! This is purely my prediction, and could could be very wrong.......

 

[SickBeast]

Wow. This really degenerated into a pretty serious flame war. Problems like this tend to arise when people speculate on what *may* happen in the future. Guessing about the minimum system that can run DoomIII smoothly is a futile venture IMO.

I was going to interject on some of the comments made on both sides, but I've decided to stay out of this one. I would suggest waiting two weeks for the game to come out before coming to any conclusions. It's pure speculation, and you can be certain that everyone will have their own crystal ball that tells them something drastically different from what you think will happen in the future.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I don't even think it's worth posting to disprove BFG10k.... I mean 1) You're not going to change his mind and 2) Everyone knows everything he says is crap in the first place.

it's not 4 him

quite a few here believe his BS.

it's something i have been interested in for years; actually there are a LOT of people - here on these forums - who think D3 is going to be as demanding as Far Cry. DIII is a better engine and Carmack a better programmer.

Carmack LIKES the challenge of delivering a GREAT game for ANY gamer - from a GF2/3 to nitrogen cooled Ultra 6800s in SLI.



At the TOP end - everything maxed for that 22" LCD - the engine will STILL push the fastest systems @MAX and provide an UNbelievable experience.

For the poorer gamer (even the X-boxer) it will still be a GREAT game - undoubtedly the BEST that system can render (providing it meets the MIN)

edit: SickBeast, WHAT flame war?

there are available FACTS - interviews with id - and the DOOM III box is being printed . . . the Hardware Requirements are ALREADY being posted - didn't you see the new links i posted (3 posts above yours)?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

I hope my coming FX-53 watercooled sytem with x800xt watercooled overclocked with raptors plays DOOM 3 at all the highest settings at 640 x 480 (sarcasm). I doubt they would release a game that only 2% of the market can play with any decency. That would be like cutting your nose off to spite your face

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
I hope my coming FX-53 watercooled sytem with x800xt watercooled overclocked with raptors plays DOOM 3 at all the highest settings at 640 x 480 (sarcasm). I doubt they would release a game that only 2% of the market can play with any decency. That would be like cutting your nose off to spite your face

THAT has been the strongest argument up-till-now; if true, HL2 would BLOW-AWAY Doom III sales and id could just go out of business with the satisfaction they made the BEST game that NO one could appreciate since you'd have to wait a few (more) years for a more poweerful CPU/GPU.

:roll:

RIDICULOUS . . .and NOW we have PROOF that Doom III won't require much over a mid-level system (with a DX9 card) to (really) enjoy it's visuals.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: apoppin

edit: SickBeast, WHAT flame war?

there are available FACTS - interviews with id - and the DOOM III box is being printed . . . the Hardware Requirements are ALREADY being posted - didn't you see the new links i posted (3 posts above yours)?

I'll get to the flame war in a minute. First of all, again, you seem to be obsessed with things that are written on boxes and company websites; no offence. I will wait for benchmarks as opposed to believing everything I read before the game is even actually released.

Now, the flame war. I don't like doing this but fine:

I don't even think it's worth posting to disprove BFG10k.... I mean 1) You're not going to change his mind and 2) Everyone knows everything he says is crap in the first place.

Your credibility is just about ZERO now.

That goon never had any to begin with. He's a board nazi, plain and simple.

At least I had credibility to begin with.

You're the one who has a problem understanding technology

Let me Link again - especially for you and BFG10K (who evidently have a high degree of attention deficit disorder

Apoppin you are delusional

Not sure where you pulled those numbers from...your ass?

See?

 

[Markfw]

apoppin, please don't use words like proof until Anandtech or *cough* Tomshardware comes out with a review AND a couple of people have actually used it.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: apoppin
RIDICULOUS . . .and NOW we have PROOF that Doom III won't require much over a mid-level system (with a DX9 card) to (really) enjoy it's visuals.

No, we don't have proof. Things written on product packaging and company websites are not proof. They are marketing. When anand benchmarks the game we will have "proof". I can't believe we're still debating this.