Don't race on the public street

[zCypher]

Originally posted by: conjur
Your friend should have thrown it in neutral. I know I would if someone started to race someone down a street.

That kid's lucky he didn't hurt or kill anyone else and, as someone else said up here, he should definitely be forced to use mass transportation for the rest of his life.

Please. You've NEVER raced anyone, in your entire life? You've never done anything stupid otherwise? How would you like it if you did something stupid, and then the privelege was taken for your whole life? First of all nobody can force him not to drive unless he's thrown in jail. Secondly it's not something he should pay for the rest of his life, since he's already learned the most valuable lesson.

jagec -
"yeah, but the guy has MAYBE 5% of the blame in this case. Pulling out is a normal activity, and assuming oncoming cars on a residential area aren't going much faster than 40 MPh is also reasonable."

That was my whole point though. Of course it's reasonable to assume people are going a certain speed on any given road... but you always have to be prepared for something stupid, insane or unexpected - in this guy's case, the RSX's racing. You would be a fool to not check for something before backing out. Obviously you might not expect what happens - but part of the responsibilty of driving is to expect the unexpected. If you expect everything to go as normal all the time - you are a hazard on the road because you won't be properly aware or prepared for whatever might happen. Your reaction time will be insufficient if you expect everything to be within normal circumstance at all times. Crazy sh1t happens. You have to be ready for it. Great if it doesn't happen .. but what if it does? Not a risk you should be willing to take, given how easily a life is taken.

Originally posted by: lnguyen
ok, this guy was an idiot. but how can you say street racing on a deserted road is still stupid? no one is there. and those that are know what the risks are.. if not.. well then yes, they are stupid.

and drivers are freakin morons, especially on the highway.

Woohoo, add one more to the ATOTers with some sense list...!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zCypher

Originally posted by: conjur
Your friend should have thrown it in neutral. I know I would if someone started to race someone down a street.

That kid's lucky he didn't hurt or kill anyone else and, as someone else said up here, he should definitely be forced to use mass transportation for the rest of his life.

Please. You've NEVER raced anyone, in your entire life? You've never done anything stupid otherwise? How would you like it if you did something stupid, and then the privelege was taken for your whole life? First of all nobody can force him not to drive unless he's thrown in jail. Secondly it's not something he should pay for the rest of his life, since he's already learned the most valuable lesson.

I've done stupid stuff but never anything that put my life or anyone else's life in danger. Not even close!

And if you think this dumbfvck has learned a lesson...think again. Give him 3 mos. and he'll be back to doing it again because he'll "know what he did wrong before and will race better next time."

This idiot kid has shown he doesn't have the mental capacity to be in the command of a 3,000lb+ vehicle.

Driving is a privilege...not a right.

Zero tolerance should apply.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: lnguyen
ok, this guy was an idiot. but how can you say street racing on a deserted road is still stupid? no one is there. and those that are know what the risks are.. if not.. well then yes, they are stupid.

and drivers are freakin morons, especially on the highway.

On Friday night, he was pulling out a movie theater and came even with another RSX. They race and the kid got up to ~95mph. As they approached an intersection, another car pulled onto the road right in front of him.

Doesn't sound like a deserted road to me.

You want to race? Take it to a track.



Two dead in apparent street racing crash

 

[zCypher]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zCypher

Originally posted by: conjur
Your friend should have thrown it in neutral. I know I would if someone started to race someone down a street.

That kid's lucky he didn't hurt or kill anyone else and, as someone else said up here, he should definitely be forced to use mass transportation for the rest of his life.

Please. You've NEVER raced anyone, in your entire life? You've never done anything stupid otherwise? How would you like it if you did something stupid, and then the privelege was taken for your whole life? First of all nobody can force him not to drive unless he's thrown in jail. Secondly it's not something he should pay for the rest of his life, since he's already learned the most valuable lesson.

I've done stupid stuff but never anything that put my life or anyone else's life in danger. Not even close!

And if you think this dumbfvck has learned a lesson...think again. Give him 3 mos. and he'll be back to doing it again because he'll "know what he did wrong before and will race better next time."

This idiot kid has shown he doesn't have the mental capacity to be in the command of a 3,000lb+ vehicle.

Driving is a privilege...not a right.

Zero tolerance should apply.

I don't know the guy so I can't say. I said he learned his lesson because I've done 'almost' equally stupid things and I have learned my lesson and I didn't have to give up my 'privilege' to drive. I didn't do anything similar to the stupid thing I did 3 months later, and still haven't up till now. I've done lots of "aggressive" driving but I've been 10 times more careful than I used to be - because I've seen first hand what CAN happen. I do everything I can to avoid any potential situations whether it means slowing down earlier than others or taking other routes or whatever. But I don't know this guy so I don't know if he really will learn his lesson or not. I guess there is always the potential that he does go back and do something just as stupid, again.

 

[zCypher]

Mack Matthews witnessed the crash from the sidewalk. He estimated the vehicles were traveling between 85 and 95 miles an hour. Matthews says the white Cavalier rear ended the Explorer. "It came over the median and started flipping and landed on the van," said Matthews.

Matthews also told WAVE 3 News that he believes he knows why the Cavalier and the Explorer crashed. He says the two vehicles were drag racing. wtf??

anyawys... been fun. i'll check up on this tomorrow

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: lnguyen
ok, this guy was an idiot. but how can you say street racing on a deserted road is still stupid? no one is there. and those that are know what the risks are.. if not.. well then yes, they are stupid.

But short of blocking both ends of the road and any cross streets, you really have no guarantee that the road is as deserted as you believe it to be.

zCypher is advocating bystanders expect the unexpected - shouldn't the racers also expect the unexpected and assume that a deserted road will not be travelled during the race?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: zCypher
...
Matthews also told WAVE 3 News that he believes he knows why the Cavalier and the Explorer crashed. He says the two vehicles were drag racing. wtf??

anyawys... been fun. i'll check up on this tomorrow

seriously, what kind of losers would drag race an EXPLORER and CAVALIER??

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Darwin Award?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: zCypher You can't say it's all one person's fault. Because if it was, that would mean everyone else were completely void of fault which is untrue. The guy pulling out should have been paying more attention regardless of who was going what speed.

If you think the third driver could tell two cars were going 95mph at night, then you are a bigger idiot than I already thought. I'd like to see how your depth perception is at night. I'd bet under similar circumstances, you'd pull out too. If you deny that, you must spend minutes before every turn you make, to ensure that nobody is coming. Since none of us know the layout of the street, it is possible that the third driver might not have even seen them because they were so far back.

It's not an extremist view. You are trying to justify their bad judgement because you think it is okay to drive irresponsible. It's sad that you back them up and then say had the third driver not pulled out, this wouldn't have happened.

The bottom line is that they shouldn't have been speeding and had they not been, the accident wouldn't have happen. Everyone should be lucky that nobody was injured in this incident. However, street racing does kill people and has injured innocent bystanders.

If you want to see how fast your fwd pos it, take it to a race track. At least if you run into a wall there, nobody will care.

 

[iliopsoas]

Originally posted by: zCypher
Thanks PowerMac4Ever... glad to discover some people are not completely out of their minds here.
dirtboy - in all likelihood the accident would not have occured were everyone going at reasonable speeds. I hate it when people take an extremist standpoint though. You can't say it's all one person's fault. Because if it was, that would mean everyone else were completely void of fault which is untrue. The guy pulling out should have been paying more attention regardless of who was going what speed. Yes, it's true that the two RSX should not have been street racing - but look what happened. Would it have happened if they didn't race? probably not! but would it have happened if the guy didn't pull out? probably not!

Oh right. It's the 3rd guy's fault for getting in the way of 2 idiots racing at 95mph on city streets.

*SNICKER*

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: kranky
I'm in favor of permanently taking the licenses from people who street race. It just shows complete disregard for anyone else.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You never did stupid things when you were a teenager? The kid made a bad mistake and paid for it. He is going to lose his license for a good amount of time, wrecked his nice new car, and messed himself up pretty good. It's called mistakes...live and learn.

So you think he should never be allowed to drive ever? He's what...18 - 20 now? In 5-10 years how is he ever going to get to a job or make a living? I mean sure people like that are stupid, but it's a TAD extreme to say they should have their license pulled for life....

I absolutely did a lot of stupid things as a teenager. But none of them put innocent people at risk of being killed or seriously hurt. I don't think it's extreme to have someone's license revoked permanently. If someone is reckless enough to race on public streets, then that shows they are unable to properly handle the responsibility. I can't put that in the same category as "mistakes". It's deliberate.

But I guess a 10-year suspension would be enough.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Blaming this 3rd party for pulling out into the road is stupid. Have you ever looked to your left, seen a car pretty well into the distance, and then went ahead and taken the right turn? I know I have.

Once, there was a Corvette a good ways off and I turned to the right. By the time I had completed my turn I looked in my rearview mirror and he was right on my ass. I'm telling you, if you have never seen a car going 95mph on a normal 30-35mph speed limit road, then you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to just how fast that is, at night, from the perspective of someone who is trying to turn onto the road.

Stop even placing 5% of the blame on the 3rd party as they are 0% at fault. The only thing they are guilty of is driving on the new 'race track'.

 

[CChaos]

zCypher--Are you the driver in this story because judging by your posts you could very well have mild brain damage.

 

[wasssup]

Originally posted by: CChaos
zCypher--Are you the driver in this story because judging by your posts you could very well have mild brain damage.

hehe

 

[Nebor]

Really makes you think.

I really am a selfish bastard.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I'm just gonna be an ass here and say he deserved it. I don't think he'll be doing that anymore.

I would like to think that way.... but I am almost sure that he will race again

Calin

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: CChaos
zCypher--Are you the driver in this story because judging by your posts you could very well have mild brain damage.

lol

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: zCypher
Yeah, he's a dumbass. Everyone calling him a dumbass isn't much better though... you all think you're so great? Please. People make mistakes. Sheesh...

This is not a mistake. A mistake is accidentally putting orange juice in your breakfast cereal instead of milk. A mistake is wearing different color socks to work. A mistake is forgetting to zip your fly after taking a leak.

No, this is a major fvck-up. The kids are dumbasses and both need to spend time behind bars.

 

[Cashmoney995]

Yea 3 kids killed themselves in houston when they were speeding on the parkway. I assume they were racing just because thats what a bystander said it looked like.

Rule of Thumb

Your car is fast
Your car possibly can smoke other cars

BUT IT DOESNT HAVE A GOD DARNED ROLL CAGE MORONS! So stop being F heads and racing on freaking streets with traffic. Almost every major city has race tracks which are 4-6 bucks a pop.

 

[IHYLN]

Originally posted by: zCypher
Yeah, he's a dumbass. Everyone calling him a dumbass isn't much better though... you all think you're so great? Please. People make mistakes. It's easy to point fingers. The other guy racing should have got it too? Are you out of your god damn minds? Yeah, someone else should have crashed. That's great, idiot.

I think the guy is lucky to be alive and not more injured than he is. I've (sort of) been in his shoes. I know what it's like to drive, and feel like nothing bad can happen.. and then it does. It really changes the way you look at things and makes you drive more cautiously from then on. Peopel just calling him a dumbass - don't try and tell me you're angels and never do anything wrong/potentially harmful to others.

"Streetracing is dumb" is an ignorant comment as well. Yes, what THEY did was dumb. It doesn't mean that anyone who puts the pedal down a bit, at certain times/places, is DUMB. People who drive looking forward and oblivious to the world around them - regardless of if they're following the limit, are at least as dangerous as any "street racer" as you'd so have it generalized. Face it - people who are aware, pay attention are safer drivers. Period. Whether they "race" or not or whether they follow limits etc or not. Competency and awareness is what makes a safe driver, not a dumbass who blindly follows limits/rules but doesn't look around them and watch what's going on.

Obviously this guy chose the wrong time and place to do what he did, and that's a mistake he'll have to live with. Luckily he didn't take anyone life. I'm sure he learned his lesson. I'm glad nobody else was hurt, anyhow. Sheesh...

WTF is your point? Since when is "Street racing" a mistake? And more importantly we are talking about a single specific event involving ONE person. So leave your trash tirade out of here.

 

[IHYLN]

zCypher = Red

in terms of idiocy.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: zCypher

Originally posted by: conjur
Your friend should have thrown it in neutral. I know I would if someone started to race someone down a street.

That kid's lucky he didn't hurt or kill anyone else and, as someone else said up here, he should definitely be forced to use mass transportation for the rest of his life.

Please. You've NEVER raced anyone, in your entire life? You've never done anything stupid otherwise? How would you like it if you did something stupid, and then the privelege was taken for your whole life? First of all nobody can force him not to drive unless he's thrown in jail. Secondly it's not something he should pay for the rest of his life, since he's already learned the most valuable lesson.

There are "temporary lapse of judgement" types of stupid things, and russian roulette types of stupid things. Poetic justice would have been the driver smashing into a drunk driver, killing them both.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: rh71
... I guess all that needs to be said about the racers has already been said... but what about this dude who jumped out LATE enough to cause this guy to have to swerve ? Even if they were approaching fast at 95mph... this guy must've made a bad decision to come out like that... experienced drivers (those who have the balls to race) should know what to expect unless the dude came out unexpectedly... happens even at 20mph all the time... there are some retarded drivers out there.

Dude, they're going 95mph. If you see a car in the distance, you're expecting them to be going 30-40...not fast enough to reach you in a matter of seconds.

If the 3rd car did come out THINKING they were that far away, the driver of the RSX should've had time to evade.

a. The kid still only had 1/2 or 1/3 as much time to react no matter what the distance.
b. You're assuming he COULD avoid the other car without losing control, that might not be the case if the car he was racing was next to him.
c. You may be overestimating the KID's driving ability, like most KIDS overestimate thier own driving ability.

I do find it annoying when someone pulls out in front of me and makes me slow down even though there's no one behind me (which was obviously the case here).

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Really makes you think.

I really am a selfish bastard.

Alright, who's posting with Nebor's account?

 

[Bassyhead]

deserved it by putting others at risk