Hey, I totalled my parent's Taurus when I was 16...didn't start driving by myself until I was out of high-school. Now I'm an extremely careful driver. I suppose driving trucks and APC's will do that.
It's called old man knee-jerk reaction.
See how he acts when they want to take his license away because hes too old to drive.
Seriously, there is no difference between me going 15 over the limit to pass someone then someone going 90 on a street, which is at least 50 over the limit to race.
Yes, everyone make mistakes but this is no mistake. You can't mistakenly get into a street race. The two drivers were idiots. And yes, we're so great because we don't do stupid stunts like that. Wanna race? Take it to the track.
Once again, I think anyone with enough common sense will know better than to jeopardize their lives and other people we share the road with.
How is street racing not dumb? You're not in a controlled environment to begin with which means any variables could occur such as a car pulling out of a parking lot, kid crossing the street, and etc. People who look forward oblivious to what's going on around them are not dumb. They're just bad drivers.
Are you really that dense that you fail to see that street racing is illegal and dumb for many good reasons? When was the last time you've seen a "smart" street race? No time is ever the right time to street race period.
silverpig
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The only time I don't really mind street racing is if it's two cars out in the middle of nowhere on a straight stretch of road where you can see very far in both directions with absolutely nothing around. If they go and someone fvcks up, then all that happens is the guy bails his car into the ditch, costs himself some money and maybe some medical attention. I don't really care about that.
But damn, don't do it on a street with traffic and other people around. Street racing is stupid. That's it.
But damn, don't do it on a street with traffic and other people around. Street racing is stupid. That's it.
virtuamike
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Yes, I am that great. I've been driving for over 7 years and I have yet to total my car or kill anyone. Anyone with a tad of common sense will realize it's not safe to do 95 in town. Hell the only place I'll even get close to that is on 5 when I make LA/Vegas runs.
And yes, read my lips. Streetracing is dumb. There's a proper time and place this kind of stuff, in town or in a residential is definately not the right place. 3 kids in an RSX creamed a wall about 100ft away from a row of houses back home at 75. The wall won, score 3 for Darwin.
And I agree, this is a mistake he'll have to live with. However I honestly believe he should be living that mistake on the sidewalk, because I definately wouldn't trust him behind the wheel.
I'd like to see mommy/daddy's reaction to all of this.
zCypher
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Maybe I didn't properly express myself, and maybe you misunderstood what I meant. I'm not justifying driving irresponsibly and I'm not saying this guy was being responsible. How would I feel if a car plowed into an innocent pedestrian or a child? I'd feel horrible for the innocent person. Yes, you are 100% right in what you said - racing at high speeds at a time and place you shouldn't be. You are correct. I'm not disputing that one bit. As many showoffs as there are - doesn't mean anyone who "street races" or drives fast - is trying to show off.
So you're saying he wasn't making a mistake by street racing in that time and place? I'd say it was a pretty big mistake, look what happened. BTW, you don't have to go 100 on a local street to be dangerous. I've seen accidents happen at "safe" speeds.
Sometimes people are foolish. Nobdoy is perfect. Yes, he did something really stupid. He picked the wrong time and place to do what he did, and he screwed up on top of that - it resulted in a really ugly situation.
I didn't say streetracing is not dumb - this guy did some pretty dumb street racing. But it doesn't mean anyone who races and happens to be on a "street" is trying to impersonate F&F. BUT you're right, the best place for that IS the track. But you can't tell me that every street is the same at all times of the day/night - therefore the statement that "streetracing is dumb" IS ignorant.
Yeah, I am pretty dense sometimes. But, I don't fail to see that street racing is illegal for good reasons. No time is ever the right time to street race? I guess not, but you can't argue that if he did that somewhere else at a time when there weren't any people around - that it wouldn't have been as dangerous. Let's say you go in the middle of nowhere, on a road that's wide open, no houses around. It's a street. How is it any more dangerous than a track? Let's say you have someone at one end, and the other end.. and there's nobody in between. Two people race on a huge empty road. Is that dangerous? Is that equally stupid to the people who would race in a crowded/busy area? If you say yes, I'm afraid you're as dense as you accuse me of being.
Wow, you're that great huh? You think 7 years is a long time, don't you? My Dad drove 15 years with no accidents.. he did a lot of crazy driving, had an old mustang all souped up to hell (dangerous power to handling ratio..), he managed not to kill or injure himself or anyone. But then in his Dodge colt a few years ago, following the speed limit, he gets into an accident and is flipped over. You honestly think saying "I drove X years BLAH BLAH BLAH" holds any water whatsoever? It doesn't. You could have an accident tomorrow and be killed. It could be your fault or someone else's fault. Does it really matter? No, cause you'd be dead either way. Does it matter that you've driven for 7 years? Nope. You're right - in town/residential area is bad idea to race. But there are streets that are good for it and much safer. You cant say street racing is dumb if it's in a safer environment. So lets say something (who knows what) goes wrong at the track and someone is injured or killed. How did the "safeness" of the track help them ther? anything can happen anywhere... obviously it;'s not wise to choose such times and locations as residential areas when everyone is out. I didnt' say he was smart for doing that.
I don't agree that he should live with the mistake on the sidewalk. He will definitely learn his lesson from this incident. Maybe you wouldn't trust him behind the wheel - but I wouldn't trust you any more just because you've driven 7 years and "haven't totalled your car" (yet). Yes AGAIN he did something really stupid... but people who have never pushed their car don't know the limits either. So lets say you've only ever done the limit followed the rules whatever - you have absolutely no idea what your car will do under extreme circumstances. Can't tell me that is safe.
As for the mommy/daddy comment... that would depend on if it was there car, if they paid for it, etc.
That's exactly what I'm getting at - two cars in the middle of nowher - big deal. This guy did something stupid by choosing to do this in that place at that time. The way people argue against me here makes them sound like if he was in the middle of nowhere (As described by this guy) and he crashed that ti'd be just as big of a deal. It wouldn't.
OrByte
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Rather than quote all of what zCypher had to say I want to simply reply with this:
don't bother trying to defend street racing bud, because you cannot defend stupidity like that.
ON second thought, I think I will quote zCypher:
"But there are streets that are good for it and much safer. You cant say street racing is dumb if it's in a safer environment."
uh huh, yeah...that's smart. :roll:
street racing is about as brainless as it gets, there is no good situation to street race...but hey, its your life... just don't go messin up my life with your "safe" street races one of these days.
don't bother trying to defend street racing bud, because you cannot defend stupidity like that.
ON second thought, I think I will quote zCypher:
"But there are streets that are good for it and much safer. You cant say street racing is dumb if it's in a safer environment."
uh huh, yeah...that's smart. :roll:
street racing is about as brainless as it gets, there is no good situation to street race...but hey, its your life... just don't go messin up my life with your "safe" street races one of these days.
Lets put it this way... if the red mist gets you just ONCE.... ONCE while you're on the street racing... you'll be DONE and also hurt/kill others even if you do walk away. If you don't think so... you're delusional.
If you're too stupid to realize that... I think you don't deserve to ever touch a car again. "I've driven XX years and I'm a good driver... I know the limits of my car and my limits!" BS... I KNOW I'm probably better than you at car control and I'm just an "also-ran" at my autox events. I hear about people getting into accidents because they street race and I wish they got a clue and stopped. Then again, I also hope they get Godsmacked.
If you're too stupid to realize that... I think you don't deserve to ever touch a car again. "I've driven XX years and I'm a good driver... I know the limits of my car and my limits!" BS... I KNOW I'm probably better than you at car control and I'm just an "also-ran" at my autox events. I hear about people getting into accidents because they street race and I wish they got a clue and stopped. Then again, I also hope they get Godsmacked.
virtuamike
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Oh yeah? Well my dad can beat up your dad :roll: Oh noes, not the parent card.
If in all your years of driving experience you still don't see what's wrong with street racing, then you're right. My experience holds absolutely no water because you can't unteach stupidity.
There's a huge difference between an accident and almost killing yourself by going 95 in town, you're comparing apples to oranges.
And yes, the "safeness" of the track helps because pedestrians and innocent bystanders minding their own business don't get killed. You want to race fine, do it on the track so you don't take out anyone else.
You don't have to total your car to push it to the limits. And if I am going to test what my car can do, I sure as hell won't do it in town or with passengers. Does street racing automatically give me driving credibility, because I pushed my car to the limit? :thumbsdown:
Revisit this topic in 10 years when you're all growed up and let's see if you still feel the same way.
Demon-Xanth
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Street racing can be done safely, it happens often in industrial parks late at night. Doing it on a main throughofare is stupid.
that sucks! I was expecting a DOA in hospital for the stupid kid. some people just deserve to die for their action. THEY DESERVE IT!
hope your friend is ok tho.
hope your friend is ok tho.
zCypher
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That's not what I meant. Dunno how you could misinterpret that one.
How many times have I said what this guy did was stupid? You keep insinuating that I'm stupid, but you don't seem to get what I'm saying at all.
Really? My dad could have died in that accident. So what is the huge difference that I'm missing? Please explain.
Innocent people have died watching races. I guess the people racing were stupid there too. Again I'm not "condoning" street racing or irresponsible driving. You don't seem to get that though.
Yes, you're correct you don't have to total your car to push it to the limits. Most people who push it don't total it. In fact, everyone I KNOW of that has totalled their car - had nothing to do with street racing or pushing their car to the limits.
I have no idea how I will feel in 10 years, as I've changed quite a bit just in the past 1-2 years. By the way, how old are you? Just curious.
Obviously you are quite the dumbass if you needed to get into an accident before you realize that street racing is dangerous.
[zCypher] Gee, uh doh, I didn't realize driving recklessly can hurt someone. uh doh. I'm such a dumbass. Uh huh yeah. yeah. [/zCypher]
OrganizedChaos
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i concur, i like my gun nuts on there range, my drunks in there bars, my whores in there whorehouses, my stoners in there parents basements, and my racers on there tracks
rh71
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... I guess all that needs to be said about the racers has already been said... but what about this dude who jumped out LATE enough to cause this guy to have to swerve ? Even if they were approaching fast at 95mph... this guy must've made a bad decision to come out like that... experienced drivers (those who have the balls to race) should know what to expect unless the dude came out unexpectedly... happens even at 20mph all the time... there are some retarded drivers out there.
Actually I do my potentially dangerous activities in areas where all present are voluntarily involved (although they may not actually be cognizant of the danger that surrounds them).
Anytime you are racing on an open public road, no matter how deserted you may think it is, you are potentially risking the life of someone who did not choose to be involved.
You honestly don't see a difference between someone who willfully put themselves and other, completely uninvolved people in mortal danger, and someone who was trying to drive carefully and had an accident? Wow. So, can I steal your wallet, since in your world that would be exactly the same thing as you forgetting it somewhere?
Intentions DO matter, even if the outcome is the same.
I also sort of agree with the saying "there are no accidents".
virtuamike
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25 thx for asking.
No, I'm not insinuating that you're stupid. I'm flat out saying that you're stupid. Bottom line, street racing is stupid. Approving of street racing is stupid. Racing on a deserted road is stupid. Take it to the damn track, how hard is that to understand?
Gah, Canadians.
Agreed. Not just that, but it should be illegal for them to own a car--what if they drive w/o a license? Same thing goes for drunk drivers and other careless idiots.
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