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SirPauly

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OCGuy, I've seen a lot of your posts, I know you're not dumb. The GTX480 came out and didn't exactly blow the 5870 out of the water. It also was slower than the 5970, yet used more power and was louder.

If the GTX480 launched and wiped the floor with the 5970 and used more power, it wouldn't have been an issue.

It's not all that different than when the Radeon 2900 launched. It came late, didn't meet expectations, and used more power/was louder than the cards it competed with. It got thoroughly trashed on these forums because of that. The 2900 was even worse because it really wasn't even faster than Nvidia's second fastest single GPU card, hell I think some of the 9600's gave it a run. But the point still stands, Nvidia launched their part later and offered less performance than what was already available from the competition. During the 2900 launch there were plenty of people here that trashed it, and rightfully so. No one should be all butt hurt when Nvidia ends up in a similar situation.

This has been brought up before, I guess some people just didn't like it when the shoe is on the other foot...

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23595425&postcount=103

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23492562&postcount=33

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23374195&postcount=46

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23371248&postcount=4

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23372045&postcount=30

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23685616&postcount=6

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23686575&postcount=9

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23685364&postcount=50

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23628185&postcount=6

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=23594857&postcount=99

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=52044&highlight=radeon+2900xt&page=21

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=24179360&postcount=28

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=24138459&postcount=13

I don't think either product was poor and extremism, at times, blanket products so easily. These products may not of been as successful as the companies may of hoped and may of tried their best to bring some competition in difficult times, but important because the technology were foundations to build upon to bring more compelling choice to the consumer.
 

blastingcap

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You mean the rants about how much people in 'foreign' countries pay for electricity. How much a month gaming the normal 23 hours a day- 8 days a week , costs !! Not the up front costs, but how much the annual cost would be with that power hog ! lol , couldn't resist.

I mentioned idle power in passing when comparing the 6850 and GTX 460 (which I said basically tied with each other, which was apparently offensive to some people who insisted on the GTX 460's apparently incontrovertible superiority... okay whatever), and someone jumped down my throat for it. So I gave an example of IDLE, not load, power consumption, and how the difference adds up over time to several dollars per year, every year, which could be a tiebreaker to some people and a non-issue for others.

The above is fact. The math is rock-solid though the exact dollar amounts would vary depending on the marginal electricity rates you pay.

But some people apparently have selective memories. :)

In any case, to bring this back ON TOPIC... I never got why these cards and others like it (GTX 295, 4870X2, etc.) got made except for bragging rights or for those people whose mobos can't do dual-cards... but if you can afford a dual card you can probably afford a new mobo too!

NVDA's GTX 680, at 28nm, should be enough to at least tie this card's performance at bare minimum, all for a lower price tag, and better thermals/power draw/heat/noise.

Edited to add: Okay fine, and Eyefinity is another reason for this card. What I said about the 4870x2, 295, etc. being for bragging rights and single-slot mobos still stands. :)
 
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notty22

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I'm thinking some of the posters should send their resumes for AMD CEO and the other recently opened positions. I'm pretty sure with revisionist history we could tear apart many old threads and arguments. One of the hot topics was the demise of Nvidia. That seems to have changed, with Fermi's success ? :)

edit: The new Steam survey is up by the ways.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=pct
 
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SlowSpyder

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I'm thinking some of the posters should send their resumes for AMD CEO and the other recently opened positions. I'm pretty sure with revisionist history we could tear apart many old threads and arguments. One of the hot topics was the demise of Nvidia. That seems to have changed, with Fermi's success ? :)

edit: The new Steam survey is up by the ways.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=pct

There were plenty of 'demise of AMD' threads/posts as I was going through those old threads. Afterall, they had the 2900 and Barcelona at the time. ;) I don't know that anyone is revising history so much as we saw it repeat, and the posts seemed pretty similar with the 2900 and GTX480 in my opinion.
 

badb0y

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I think someone should send there resume to nVidia to become part of their PR team, I am not going to say who I am just going make a jab so I can get away with calling a member out.
 

tincart

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I told you they would use a "turbo' switch. :)

67% faster than a gtx580?

If Nvidia uses the turbo switch with 2 gtx580's this card is going to get demolished.

It has a 375 watt tdp.
So much for the 300 watt pci-e spec ha! :)

It has 375W "total board power" which probably means the maximum amount of power available to the board when plugged in.

It is likely that a stock 6990 with the default Powertune settings will limit the board to 300W so that it can indeed be PCI-E certified. while the 375W board power means those who want to exceed spec are able to do so.
 

Idontcare

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I'm thinking some of the posters should send their resumes for AMD CEO and the other recently opened positions. I'm pretty sure with revisionist history we could tear apart many old threads and arguments. One of the hot topics was the demise of Nvidia. That seems to have changed, with Fermi's success ? :)

edit: The new Steam survey is up by the ways.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=pct

I think someone should send there resume to nVidia to become part of their PR team, I am not going to say who I am just going make a jab so I can get away with calling a member out.

Gentlemen, the rhetoric in this thread recently is trending towards becoming needlessly personal. These thinly veiled ad hominems are not productive.

Let's get back to the topic please. Debate the content of the posts, not the poster.

Moderator Idontcare
 

MrK6

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The fact that they named it the "AUSUM" switch is great, thumbs up from me :D :thumbsup:. However, 375W consumption, what the heck? The power consumption figures by these boards are getting crazy. I think it's expected based on how much more power the 69xx GPU's consume, but I see this card having a very limited market with all its precautions and limitations when compared to two 6950's or two 6970's.
Does flicking the switch automatically increase the clocks?
Seems like it, which is great IMO. I like the direction AMD is taking power management, especially with the more aggressive PowerPlay power management - maximize your performance per watt.
 
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happy medium

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It has 375W "total board power" which probably means the maximum amount of power available to the board when plugged in.

It is likely that a stock 6990 with the default Powertune settings will limit the board to 300W so that it can indeed be PCI-E certified. while the 375W board power means those who want to exceed spec are able to do so.

I bing translated the whole article, thats not how it read for me.
350 watts while gaming is what it said. Mabe its 375 watts while usung furmark?

It also said it would pull 415 watts when overclocked and gaming and 450 watts max.
 

tincart

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I bing translated the whole article, thats not how it read for me.
350 watts while gaming is what it said. Mabe its 375 watts while usung furmark?

It also said it would pull 415 watts when overclocked and gaming and 450 watts max.

And we are all well aware of your ability to take unofficial info on rumor sites to be the apodictic truth when it fits your ideology


No need for the inflammatory personal attacks/insults. Please debate the contents of the post, not the poster, and keep it on topic.

Moderator Idontcare
 
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Elfear

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Apparently you weren't here for the Fermi or 280 launches, when this board turned into a Greenpeace meeting.

Now that AMD is busting down power consumption records, I don't really expect that anymore haha.

I think most people brought up TDP because they assumed the new cards from both camps would have to stick to the 300W limit. It gave us a point from which to speculate on which chips AMD and Nvidia would use. I'm sure no one in the market for a 6990 or 590 would be super concerned about power draw unless one uses considerably more than the other for a small performance gain.

I'll be surprised if AMD or Nvidia break the TDP limit with the shipped bios but then again I have no idea what the repercussions would be for doing so. IIRC, both have always stuck to the 300W limit except for the custom dual cards made by vendors.

I told you they would use a "turbo' switch. :)

67% faster than a gtx580?

If Nvidia uses the turbo switch with 2 gtx580's this card is going to get demolished.

If you figure 80% scaling on average for the GTX 580s, the 590 would only be ~7.7% faster than the 6990. "Demolish" probably wouldn't be the right verb to use in that case.
 
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badb0y

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The GTX 480 was a hot, power hungry, and loud card that only beat the HD 5870 by 15% average on launch. The 6990 however is a power hungry card (don't know much about the noise and how it will run) that will rape any card available on the market right now. I hope people can see the difference.
 

happy medium

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And we are all well aware of your ability to take unofficial info on rumor sites to be the apodictic truth when it fits your ideology

This is unofficial information from AMD slides? I think its as official as it gets.:thumbsup:
 

Arkadrel

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Almost 70% faster than a 580....
Not bad for a single card.

also awesum button is awesum :)

*if* you gotta have dual bios, that you can change to up "power used/clock speeds", nameing it awesum button is a nice way to go.


also.... HOLY Frekkin SHYT those CCC sliders for it go high:
amdradeonhd6990_offdetails_5a_dh_fx57.jpg


Its like AMD said fack it, let them oc it till it frys if they want too (which again is awesum).
 
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Aristotelian

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2 of those in crossfire , or even 1 if its a big upgrade could result in a big rise in your electric bill, resulting in this misunderstanding, by AMD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QkyfGJgcwQ&feature=player_embedded
In case anyone missed this last year.

You think that someone who would spend nearly 1500 dollars on two of these in crossfire, a suitable power supply, and a multi monitor setup, is worried about the increase in his electrical bill? You have utterly missed the point that a number of other posters have made clear (again, now) that was made abundantly clear back then to boot. So, I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish with this post I'm quoting.
 

Castiel

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You think that someone who would spend nearly 1500 dollars on two of these in crossfire, a suitable power supply, and a multi monitor setup, is worried about the increase in his electrical bill? You have utterly missed the point that a number of other posters have made clear (again, now) that was made abundantly clear back then to boot. So, I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish with this post I'm quoting.

I'm sure as hell not and i'll probably buy 2 if the 590 doesn't dazzle me
 

tincart

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This is unofficial information from AMD slides? I think its as official as it gets.:thumbsup:

I'm sure all the previous leaked slides with an ATi logo were guaranteed official as well?

I maintain the same position I always do: Wait for reviews from trusted websites and disclosure of the relevant information in a clear and official manner before making judgments.
 

3DVagabond

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This might all be very accurate. I wouldn't hang anything on specific words or numbers yet. Especially from articles translated by Google to English.

You might think that it clearly states something, when in actuality, the article says something completely different. Add to that the sight might have gotten it's info in English, translated it to German (or whatever) and then we're going to argue over a Google translation back to English.
 

SirPauly

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Imho,

Power requirements are on the important Totem pole so-to-speak but more-so on the bottom of it. What is important, to me, is what kind of performance? What kind of quality? What kind of features? What does the product do for my gaming? What does it do to improve upon my existing product?

For me, it is good to see IHV's and AIB's try to provide compelling choice for the higher end enthusiasts from AMD or nVidia and their partners.

It's not like these products are going in tablets, mobile, net-books or note-books -- they're designed for gamers with deeper wallets that desire less compromises. Had trouble understanding higher-end enthusiasts discuss with passion and vigor performance per watt.
 

Aristotelian

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I'm sure as hell not and i'll probably buy 2 if the 590 doesn't dazzle me

Well, I still need to read on the step-up program. I'm finally building my pc and the only thing I regret is getting these 580s (EVGA Superclocked), as they need to reside pretty close together on my motherboard and I'm sure the temps will be very toasty (limiting further overclocking, I'd guess). If I could "step up" to a 590 FTW CUIII (if such a thing would exist) I might consider doing a watercooling setup just for that, or hell I'd probably buy two of those too. If an EVGA person is reading this post - get on it please!
 

Skurge

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also.... HOLY Frekkin SHYT those CCC sliders for it go high:
amdradeonhd6990_offdetails_5a_dh_fx57.jpg


Its like AMD said fack it, let them oc it till it frys if they want too (which again is awesum).

It would be funny if the chips the used for the 6990 are so good that it overclocks at lot better than a 6970.
 

Castiel

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It would be funny if the chips the used for the 6990 are so good that it overclocks at lot better than a 6970.

6970's are hitting 1.1Ghz core with good cooling. I'm sure these would do the same properly cooled.