Donald Trump: The Ugly American

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Jhhnn

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Fair point. I guess it all depends on who you think the king makers are within the DNC, or in this year's case, queen maker. Obama proved it is possible to launch a campaign from outside the establishment and build a winning coalition.

Please. Obama wasn't "outside the establishment" but more of a junior member.

But do go on tearing down Clinton & Democrats in general as if Republicans have any sort of answers for the American people. They gotcher trickle down & that's it, wrapped in their usual puffed up culture war issues.
 

agent00f

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Most of the candidates are no more weak than Obama was. O'Malley somewhat blows up my theory, but he lasted what 10 minutes in the spotlight? He was not a credible threat to the extent that he could motivate a movement as Obama did.

I would hardly classify Gore as a strong candidate. He was the heir apparent and fumbled at the goal line. I got incredible satisfaction defeating him in Stick of Truth. Manbearpig.

Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate, but in all fairness so is Trump.

Frankly you're trying way too hard to make any facts fit this narrative. It's no great surprise that people don't want to blow their wad running against clintons in the democratic party.
 

DrDoug

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That is my point. Talked to common sense by who exactly? I threw out Warren because she is a nationally known figure, but I recall quite a few other names circulating as potential heirs to Obama. Gavin Newsom, Antonio Villaraigosa, Andrew Cuomo, Deval Patrick. For candidates with strong localized appeal but not necessarily broad national recognition, you need establishment donors to kickstart their campaigns into the national spotlight.

Clinton was the presumptive nominee until Obama came out of nowhere, a relatively unknown national figure prior to his campaign, and beat her with a resonating message and superior ground game built from a broad reaching coalition of advocates. For this election cycle, any of the names I previously mentioned were potential threats to her for a variety of reasons, and you can be sure the Clintons were working the establishment hard to make sure she didn't face Obama 2.0.

Why did Obama make Clinton his SoS and advocate for her over any of the candidates I previously mentioned. That is open to speculation, but I would hardly classify her as his heir apparent.

Given the names I just rattled off, how did the only credible threats to Clinton become Webb and Sanders, two DINO's beyond the reach of the establishment. Does that not strike you as oddly coincidental?

Mention Cuomo around a real Democrat and they'll laugh themselves to death that you would think they would want him as a President...lol! They HATE his fucking guts. Newsom and the others aren't an Obama and lack the name recognition. So no, I'm not surprised that Clinton only had a couple of weaker opponents this time around. Regarding Obama picking her for his cabinet, that was just smart politics in leaving the primary wars behind. Imputing motive due to not understanding the dynamics only leads you into deep grass.

What Obama did in 2008 (coming from literally nowhere) isn't something that can be easily repeated.
 

Starbuck1975

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Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate, but in all fairness so is Trump.

Frankly you're trying way too hard to make any facts fit this narrative. It's no great surprise that people don't want to blow their wad running against clintons in the democratic party.
True. I just find it interesting that in an election year with a high anti establishment sentinents, our choices are insanity or the very manifestation of the establishment.
 

Starbuck1975

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Mention Cuomo around a real Democrat and they'll laugh themselves to death that you would think they would want him as a President...lol! They HATE his fucking guts. Newsom and the others aren't an Obama and lack the name recognition. So no, I'm not surprised that Clinton only had a couple of weaker opponents this time around. Regarding Obama picking her for his cabinet, that was just smart politics in leaving the primary wars behind. Imputing motive due to not understanding the dynamics only leads you into deep grass.

What Obama did in 2008 (coming from literally nowhere) isn't something that can be easily repeated.
The Cuomo name had a lot of strength and brand recognition south of Albany, which is probably why he's weathered the latest scandals so well.
 

Jhhnn

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Mention Cuomo around a real Democrat and they'll laugh themselves to death that you would think they would want him as a President...lol! They HATE his fucking guts. Newsom and the others aren't an Obama and lack the name recognition. So no, I'm not surprised that Clinton only had a couple of weaker opponents this time around. Regarding Obama picking her for his cabinet, that was just smart politics in leaving the primary wars behind. Imputing motive due to not understanding the dynamics only leads you into deep grass.

What Obama did in 2008 (coming from literally nowhere) isn't something that can be easily repeated.

Not quite nowhere. The Party gave him the keynote address at the convention in in 2004-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWynt87PaJ0

He made it soar.

Hillary's cabinet appointment? "I'll need all the help I can get. Please work with me as SoS. I know you won't let me down."