Donald Trump: The Ugly American

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fskimospy

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Starbuck1975 said:
I think it is fair to say that the Clintons were working to clear the field from the moment Obama took the nomination. From Obama appointing her to Secretary of State to the quick silencing of any momentum behind Warren to the guiding hand of DWS, it is clear that the Clinton were not going to let an underdog upset her again...and yet a severely handicapped Sanders almost managed to do just that.

The fix was in. Granted she is clearly qualified for the role, more so perhaps than any other Democrat. As a campaigner she is horrible and as a leader her judgment is paranoid and questionable.
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Sanders was never close if you actually look at the electoral math. Clinton had a much larger lead on Sanders than Obama had on her. After Super Tuesday the election was effectively over.

More importantly, effectively working for institutional support is not 'rigging' the system or if it is then every primary in all of US history has been rigged, which also makes his point useless.
 
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Deadspin (yeah yeah) had a great recount of his (creepy as hell) love affair with Ivanka and "respect" for women in general:

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-complete-ish-history-of-donald-trumps-obsession-with-1787304637


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Starbuck1975 said:
Hillary will squeak by but I think she is in for a rough ride. She has enemies within her own party who are staying silent for now to avoid the worst outcome of a Trump presidency, but I expect Sanders to be a voice of opposition to her administration. Also, expect her email scandal to persist. How the FBI handled immunity deals is troubling and it wouldn't surprise me if a few of her surrogates go down Scooter style.
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Still "concerned", about the email, huh? About Clinton's proteges?

I'm sure that Judicial Watch & Repubs in Congress will play it like Benghazi but it seems clear that it's really over. Comey & the FBI had all the evidence there was, evidence we don't have, evidence still being vetted for FOIA release. There's no new evidence nor likely will there ever be, just the usual crop circles mean aliens form of weaponized insincerity rehashed ad nauseum. Their bullshit over insisting that Combetta assert his fifth amendment rights before Congress more than once is their typical nothingburger.

The whole bit about Bernie & Clinton's "enemies" in the Party Is just FUD & misdirection. If that were real, she'd have had more competition in the primaries. She was already the consensus candidate among mainstream Dems before she announced simply because nobody interested other than Bernie had struck any sparks. A big part of his appeal was that he made it clear from the start that he wouldn't split the progressive vote. Should she win, I figure Bernie won't so much oppose her as try to bring her his direction.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
Hillary will squeak by but I think she is in for a rough ride. She has enemies within her own party who are staying silent for now to avoid the worst outcome of a Trump presidency, but I expect Sanders to be a voice of opposition to her administration. Also, expect her email scandal to persist. How the FBI handled immunity deals is troubling and it wouldn't surprise me if a few of her surrogates go down Scooter style.
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Or......Instead of hoping for her to fail (like the Republicans did to President Blackenstein the last 8 years), she will be able to bring the two parties together and get some work done for the American people just like she did her whole career.

Maybe, just maybe that she will NOT be using a private server for her emails anymore. You think she will take that advise from the American people?

At least our President will be working, not twitting.
 
Starbuck1975

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fskimospy said:
Sanders was never close if you actually look at the electoral math. Clinton had a much larger lead on Sanders than Obama had on her. After Super Tuesday the election was effectively over.

More importantly, effectively working for institutional support is not 'rigging' the system or if it is then every primary in all of US history has been rigged, which also makes his point useless.
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Some would counter that the working of institutional support was the very status quo the Sanders movement was in opposition to. I respect and actually like that Trump obliterated the Republican institution, but otherwise terrified of everything he represents.
 
Starbuck1975

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Jhhnn said:
Still "concerned", about the email, huh? About Clinton's proteges?

I'm sure that Judicial Watch & Repubs in Congress will play it like Benghazi but it seems clear that it's really over. Comey & the FBI had all the evidence there was, evidence we don't have, evidence still being vetted for FOIA release. There's no new evidence nor likely will there ever be, just the usual crop circles mean aliens form of weaponized insincerity rehashed ad nauseum. Their bullshit over insisting that Combetta assert his fifth amendment rights before Congress more than once is their typical nothingburger.

The whole bit about Bernie & Clinton's "enemies" in the Party Is just FUD & misdirection. If that were real, she'd have had more competition in the primaries. She was already the consensus candidate among mainstream Dems before she announced simply because nobody interested other than Bernie had struck any sparks. A big part of his appeal was that he made it clear from the start that he wouldn't split the progressive vote. Should she win, I figure Bernie won't so much oppose her as try to bring her his direction.
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I will risk being accused of spreading FUD to point out that when a former President "spontaneously" meets with the AG during an active investigation into his wife, when responses follow the typical pattern of deflect-deny-deceive, when the justification and explanation changes significantly as new evidence comes to light and when the conditions of immunity not only handicap investigators but also result in the destruction of evidence...someone is going to raise an eyebrow. Seems like a lot effort to protect yoga routines.

This might surprise you but I will most likely vote for her to prevent a Trump presidency. I am also comfortable with her being held accountable for all the b@llshit surrounding her email once she wins.
 
ivwshane

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Starbuck1975 said:
I think it is fair to say that the Clintons were working to clear the field from the moment Obama took the nomination. From Obama appointing her to Secretary of State to the quick silencing of any momentum behind Warren to the guiding hand of DWS, it is clear that the Clinton were not going to let an underdog upset her again...and yet a severely handicapped Sanders almost managed to do just that.

The fix was in. Granted she is clearly qualified for the role, more so perhaps than any other Democrat. As a campaigner she is horrible and as a leader her judgment is paranoid and questionable.
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So Warren was silenced? Do tell!
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
I will risk being accused of spreading FUD to point out that when a former President "spontaneously" meets with the AG during an active investigation into his wife, when responses follow the typical pattern of deflect-deny-deceive, when the justification and explanation changes significantly as new evidence comes to light and when the conditions of immunity not only handicap investigators but also result in the destruction of evidence...someone is going to raise an eyebrow. Seems like a lot effort to protect yoga routines.

This might surprise you but I will most likely vote for her to prevent a Trump presidency. I am also comfortable with her being held accountable for all the b@llshit surrounding her email once she wins.
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Stirring a little more FUD into the pot, I see.

The FBI extended immunity in return for evidence they wouldn't have obtained otherwise. Neither Pagliano nor Combetta would have given testimony otherwise because the FBI had no leverage against them, nothing to charge them with.

Explain how that grant of immunity resulted in the destruction of evidence when the evidence was destroyed before immunity was granted.

And, like I said, email is the new Benghazi.
 
Starbuck1975

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Jhhnn said:
Stirring a little more FUD into the pot, I see.

The FBI extended immunity in return for evidence they wouldn't have obtained otherwise. Neither Pagliano nor Combetta would have given testimony otherwise because the FBI had no leverage against them, nothing to charge them with.

Explain how that grant of immunity resulted in the destruction of evidence when the evidence was destroyed before immunity was granted.

And, like I said, email is the new Benghazi.
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So you concede there was destruction of evidence. People tend to go to jail for that.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
So you concede there was destruction of evidence. People tend to go to jail for that.
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Neither one of us have the information or the expertise to be back biting Comey & the FBI no matter how desperately you want to do so. They said it's over & it is, other than for the Birther/Benghazi believers & those who lead them on.
 
Starbuck1975

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Jhhnn said:
Neither one of us have the information or the expertise to be back biting Comey & the FBI no matter how desperately you want to do so. They said it's over & it is, other than for the Birther/Benghazi believers & those who lead them on.
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I don't blame Comey. I would hate to go down in history as the person who indicted the first viable female candidate for president on a technicality, only to also usher in the most dangerous and irresponsible president in history.

I am not back biting Comey or the FBI. I am pointing out the aura of BS that is clear to anyone not wearing partisan blinders.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
(A) political ambitions
(B) brokered deal
(C) committee or cabinet position
(D) SCOTUS nomination

We will find out shortly which it was
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Remarkable how you represent groundless innuendo as fact & claim it as reason for suspicion. Seems kinda circular, don't you think?
 
Starbuck1975

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Jhhnn said:
Remarkable how you represent groundless innuendo as fact & claim it as reason for suspicion. Seems kinda circular, don't you think?
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You often bring up Occam's razor. Intent is not something someone is just going to broadcast. "Hey I sold out Bernie for this nice SCOTUS nomination." Sometimes the chain of events paint a picture when viewed objectively.
 
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Starbuck1975 said:
I don't blame Comey. I would hate to go down in history as the person who indicted the first viable female candidate for president on a technicality, only to also usher in the most dangerous and irresponsible president in history.

I am not back biting Comey or the FBI. I am pointing out the aura of BS that is clear to anyone not wearing partisan blinders.
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You've been casting aspersions on Comey's conclusions all along by maintaining her "guilt" & just did it again.

I get the aura of BS that you're generating, for sure.
 
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Starbuck1975

Starbuck1975

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Starbuck1975

Starbuck1975

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Jhhnn said:
You've been casting aspersions on Comey's conclusions all along by maintaining her "guilt" & just did it again.

I get the aura of BS that you're generating, for sure.
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Shrugs shoulders. In the absence of transparency, speculation will fill the void. I can't wait for the tell all books to start hitting the shelves. Who monetizes the scandal first? I am guessing Pagliano.
 
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