Donald Trump Jumped the shark. Place your bet.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

yup, alpha speedy in full drumpf fluffer mode.

 

[SP33Demon]

yup, alpha speedy in full drumpf fluffer mode.

^another fan club member. Hello shake shake shake, shake your booty

 

[TheSlamma]

Trump isn't running on a purely right wing platform though. He is much more to the center than the rest of the Repubs on many issues.

He acknowledges that problems do exist with the trade imbalances and with international labor competition hurting prospects for American workers. He is generally not concerned with many social issues, though in order to cater to the repub base, he says stupid things about abortion rights.

I simply see trump having a large appeal because people will forgive him for stuff they don't like if he says enough things that people do like, and since he changes his position on things often, he manages to get a lot of people following him.

He has charisma and connects to peoples emotions.

The numbers in the polls might not be there, but, we will have to see what happens.

I simply do not see it at all, I think this is 100% driven by sensationalist news to make the Libtards look like the same goofy fear mongers the Repubtards do all the time.... and it's working very very well.

It's convinced them they need a candidate that has the big money support of Wallstreet in their candidate to make sure he can't win... exactly where Wallstreet wants you guys, between 2 people who will not get in their way.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

^another fan club member. Hello shake shake shake, shake your booty

nah, just like drumpf, you'll fade away into obscurity, you much faster though.

 

[Vic]

^teh response of a defeated chump

PA:
4/6 Quinnipac poll has Trump up on Cruz by 9pts
NY:
4/6 Monmouth U poll has Trump crushing everyone

More shit talking plz, I love watching you squirm. :biggrin:

Trump can't get the necessary number of delegates to win the GOP nomination on the first ballot, so your point is moot. He can run as an independent, but he's not going to be on the GOP ticket.
And after the comments that Cruz made about New Yorkers, I don't think anyone expected him to win there. So big whoop.

 

[SP33Demon]

Trump can't get the necessary number of delegates to win the GOP nomination on the first ballot, so your point is moot. He can run as an independent, but he's not going to be on the GOP ticket.
And after the comments that Cruz made about New Yorkers, I don't think anyone expected him to win there. So big whoop.

You claimed "The [Trump] train derailed weeks ago" yet he's forecast to win two of the largest delegate states (PA/NY) in the country? lmao. Show us more of that genius intellect again. Nobody cares about 1237 because the person with the most delegates will win the convention. If the voters are defrauded then they may even switch sides to Hillary or in the least vote Trump 3rd party and hand hillary the election. The GOP ain't risking that.

 

[Vic]

You claimed "The [Trump] train derailed weeks ago" yet he's forecast to win two of the largest delegate states (PA/NY) in the country? lmao. Show us more of that genius intellect again. Nobody cares about 1237 because the person with the most delegates will win the convention. If the voters are defrauded then they may even switch sides to Hillary or in the least vote Trump 3rd party and hand hillary the election. The GOP ain't risking that.

The voters aren't being defrauded because Trump, just like Bernie, is not actually a member of the party for which he is seeking the Presidential nomination.

 

[Jhhnn]

You claimed "The [Trump] train derailed weeks ago" yet he's forecast to win two of the largest delegate states (PA/NY) in the country? lmao. Show us more of that genius intellect again. Nobody cares about 1237 because the person with the most delegates will win the convention. If the voters are defrauded then they may even switch sides to Hillary or in the least vote Trump 3rd party and hand hillary the election. The GOP ain't risking that.

The GOP already knows they're fucked either way. I don't see them rewarding the person doing the fucking.

If Trump can't win on the first ballot he's toast. They'll deal with the consequences afterwards.

 

[brycejones]

I heard a story yesterday where the Cruz campaign was working the state conventions to get Cruz supporters named as delegates even if they have to vote for Trump on the first ballot. If Trump doesn't win on the first ballot they will be free to switch to Cruz.

Speedy - If Trump doesn't win on the first ballot all bets are off. I doubt your guy is investing in using the GOP's process to its advantage.

 

[RampantAndroid]

The GOP already knows they're fucked either way. I don't see them rewarding the person doing the fucking.

If Trump can't win on the first ballot he's toast. They'll deal with the consequences afterwards.

But they're not, right? Cruz pulls enough delegates from Trump and it's a brokered convention where someone else entirely can take the stage (it's more or less impossible for Cruz to get the nomination from where he stands now, unless he manages nearly all delegates from the remaining states.)

 

[SP33Demon]

I heard a story yesterday where the Cruz campaign was working the state conventions to get Cruz supporters named as delegates even if they have to vote for Trump on the first ballot. If Trump doesn't win on the first ballot they will be free to switch to Cruz.

Speedy - If Trump doesn't win on the first ballot all bets are off. I doubt your guy is investing in using the GOP's process to its advantage.

DT is already at 93% of target delegates and Cruz is projected to get smoked on 4/26 (CT, DE, MD, PA, RI).
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

How is Cruz going to even get considered when he's forcast to win only 30 out of 172 delegates that night and he's also forecast to win the least delegates out of CA's 172 on June 7th and get killed in NJ (51 more delegates) and NY (58 delegates)? lol Even if Trump splits the 172 and gets NJ that puts him at almost 1039 delegates with 10 states left. If he wins half of the remaining delegates he's at 1211 or 26 short of the nomination. It would be ludicrous for someone who won 97.8% of the first ballot to not get the nomination.

Realistically he will probably have around 1,161 delegates which is 93.8%. Still not seeing how a convention will be deciding it when someone is winning 90%+ of the required delegates.

 

[Jhhnn]

But they're not, right? Cruz pulls enough delegates from Trump and it's a brokered convention where someone else entirely can take the stage (it's more or less impossible for Cruz to get the nomination from where he stands now, unless he manages nearly all delegates from the remaining states.)

Run Trump & he'll take the party down in flames with him. Don't run Trump & He'll split the Party out of spite. Run Cruz to lose because America isn't that stupid. Run Kasich to lose. Have Paul Ryan ride in astride a white charger waving old Glory? Won't matter if Trump splits the Party.

They'll probably want to just shoot themselves before it's over.

 

[MongGrel]

DT is already at 93% of target delegates and Cruz is projected to get smoked on 4/26 (CT, DE, MD, PA, RI).
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

How is Cruz going to even get considered when he's forcast to win only 30 out of 172 delegates that night and he's also forecast to win the least delegates out of CA's 172 on June 7th and get killed in NJ (51 more delegates) and NY (58 delegates)? lol Even if Trump splits the 172 and gets NJ that puts him at almost 1039 delegates with 10 states left. If he wins half of the remaining delegates he's at 1211 or 26 short of the nomination. It would be ludicrous for someone who won 97.8% of the first ballot to not get the nomination.

Realistically he will probably have around 1,161 delegates which is 93.8%. Still not seeing how a convention will be deciding it when someone is winning 90%+ of the required delegates.

I hope Trump wins the nomination for the GOP myself.

I don't see it being allowed really, as he all ready flip flopped on the I'll the support pledge to begin with, like so many things.

I imagine he'll end up independent.

Drumpf switches so fast we could almost chop him up into little pieces and use the bytes to build a new super computer.

 

[flexy]

I honestly think your entirely election process needs to be scrapped and re-built, I don't see the sense/point in the silly "voting for a nominee" if the actual voting in the end doesn't mean a thing. Example here with Trump..but also on the Dem site with the super-delegates. WTH is this shit?

Someone argued this system is in place to prevent something like Trump even to happen...but obviously it doesn't work.

Why is there no system in place where parties decide on candidates, then put the names of those candidates on a ballot and let the voter decide which one of them? Is this rocket science? It works elsewhere.

 

[TheSlamma]

I honestly think your entirely election process needs to be scrapped and re-built

You got that right

 

[disappoint]

More like repeated exposure to contrary data gradually eroding cognitive dissonance.

So yeah, your version was concise, but not at all accurate. Maybe you should read more carefully or think harder.

It has nothing to do with cognitive dissonance. You're more misinformed on the matter than you realize.

 

[brycejones]

DT is already at 93% of target delegates and Cruz is projected to get smoked on 4/26 (CT, DE, MD, PA, RI).
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

How is Cruz going to even get considered when he's forcast to win only 30 out of 172 delegates that night and he's also forecast to win the least delegates out of CA's 172 on June 7th and get killed in NJ (51 more delegates) and NY (58 delegates)? lol Even if Trump splits the 172 and gets NJ that puts him at almost 1039 delegates with 10 states left. If he wins half of the remaining delegates he's at 1211 or 26 short of the nomination. It would be ludicrous for someone who won 97.8% of the first ballot to not get the nomination.

Realistically he will probably have around 1,161 delegates which is 93.8%. Still not seeing how a convention will be deciding it when someone is winning 90%+ of the required delegates.

You're invested in Trump and even you are starting to face up to the possibility that he may not get over the hump to win on the first ballot. That's when all bets are off which is all I'm saying and it sounds like Cruz has a better strategy for what happens after that.

The shit storm that would happen if Cruz won a floor fight after that would be entertaining to say the least.

 

[SP33Demon]

You're invested in Trump and even you are starting to face up to the possibility that he may not get over the hump to win on the first ballot. That's when all bets are off which is all I'm saying and it sounds like Cruz has a better strategy for what happens after that.

The shit storm that would happen if Cruz won a floor fight after that would be entertaining to say the least.

Bryce, it's really this simple where only two scenarios can play out.
1) Trump gets the nomination and there's a chance to beat Clinton.
2) Trump doesn't get the nomination, runs 3rd party, and there is zero chance to beat Clinton.

If you're the GOP, which one are you choosing?

 

[Jhhnn]

DT is already at 93% of target delegates and Cruz is projected to get smoked on 4/26 (CT, DE, MD, PA, RI).
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

How is Cruz going to even get considered when he's forcast to win only 30 out of 172 delegates that night and he's also forecast to win the least delegates out of CA's 172 on June 7th and get killed in NJ (51 more delegates) and NY (58 delegates)? lol Even if Trump splits the 172 and gets NJ that puts him at almost 1039 delegates with 10 states left. If he wins half of the remaining delegates he's at 1211 or 26 short of the nomination. It would be ludicrous for someone who won 97.8% of the first ballot to not get the nomination.

Realistically he will probably have around 1,161 delegates which is 93.8%. Still not seeing how a convention will be deciding it when someone is winning 90%+ of the required delegates.

You don't get it. Trump's delegates have no loyalty to him past the first vote. He didn't pick them- State parties picked them. They'll vote for him when they must, give him a heartfelt rogering afterwards if they can. They're the people who are the Party he's been tearing down all along.

Donald doesn't have what it'll take to woo them, anyway. He can't hook them onto the big superpac tit in the sky or do a lot of other things that the RNC can do. He can't show them the money.

Ludicrous? Trump at the top of the Repub ticket is what's really ludicrous to most Republicans.

 

[MongGrel]

Bryce, it's really this simple where only two scenarios can play out.
1) Trump gets the nomination and there's a chance to beat Clinton.
2) Trump doesn't get the nomination, runs 3rd party, and there is zero chance to beat Clinton.

If you're the GOP, which one are you choosing?

Rolling, rolling, rolling, keep those square wheels rolling...

 

[Jhhnn]

I honestly think your entirely election process needs to be scrapped and re-built, I don't see the sense/point in the silly "voting for a nominee" if the actual voting in the end doesn't mean a thing. Example here with Trump..but also on the Dem site with the super-delegates. WTH is this shit?

Someone argued this system is in place to prevent something like Trump even to happen...but obviously it doesn't work.

Why is there no system in place where parties decide on candidates, then put the names of those candidates on a ballot and let the voter decide which one of them? Is this rocket science? It works elsewhere.

Well, that won't happen. Rivals for the nomination have done the delegate dance since the beginning of the Republic. It's representative democracy at the Party level, not direct democracy, so votes matter in a different way. At its best, it's honest & solidifies the Party like it did for Dems in 2008. At its worst is something we may see from today's Repubs.

 

[brycejones]

Bryce, it's really this simple where only two scenarios can play out.
1) Trump gets the nomination and there's a chance to beat Clinton.
2) Trump doesn't get the nomination, runs 3rd party, and there is zero chance to beat Clinton.

If you're the GOP, which one are you choosing?

I guess we'll see in a few months.

 

[Blackjack200]

It has nothing to do with cognitive dissonance. You're more misinformed on the matter than you realize.

Please inform me.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bryce, it's really this simple where only two scenarios can play out.
1) Trump gets the nomination and there's a chance to beat Clinton.
2) Trump doesn't get the nomination, runs 3rd party, and there is zero chance to beat Clinton.

If you're the GOP, which one are you choosing?

You mis-state the problem. Trump doesn't have a prayer against Clinton in the general election. He's also an anchor around the necks of a lot of down ticket Repub candidates. Cruz isn't much better if for different reasons.

 

[SP33Demon]

You don't get it. Trump's delegates have no loyalty to him past the first vote. He didn't pick them- State parties picked them. They'll vote for him when they must, give him a heartfelt rogering afterwards if they can. They're the people who are the Party he's been tearing down all along.

Donald doesn't have what it'll take to woo them, anyway. He can't hook them onto the big superpac tit in the sky or do a lot of other things that the RNC can do. He can't show them the money.

Ludicrous? Trump at the top of the Repub ticket is what's really ludicrous to most Republicans.

Probably one of the most logical posts in the thread. Yes I'll admit that money talks. While Trump isn't going to give them a superpac tit to suck on, Trump is simply the people's choice so like you said - they have to do what their constituents say or the gravy train is over. Since Trump *currently* represents over 40% of Republican voters (where most will never change their minds btw) he has the best chance of absorbing other candidates' voters in the general. It's either that or Hillary. And let's face it, Trump voters aren't going to vote for anyone else at this point, they are the most loyal - they will vote Trump 3rd party if he runs.

If DT becomes the chosen one, superpacs can fuck off. They have to play by his rules and DT's foes have to play ball with him because he will be the only hope to vanquish hillary. At that point it's a coin flip and anything can happen. In the end, it's easier for the GOP to just ride it out with DT than to steal it from him and try to bribe him into endorsing whoever stole it from him. That is the only way to solidify the party. Trying to get him to accept a bribe to endorse and not throw the election will be a tougher task than just giving him the Nom. He will have pulled off a modern day political hijacking.