DOJ tells schools to implement race-based punishments

[HumblePie]

Seems to me like it is more likely that the same types of people likely to make poor choices, resulting in poverty, are also more like to make poor choices when it comes to not breaking the law.

Going to have to disagree with you there. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have a criminal mindset as you are implying with this statement it seems to me. Criminal mindsets run the gambit of income levels. Without all the recent wall street criminals we've had, we wouldn't have had the recession/depression we did/still have.

I will say that criminals that are poorer tend to do things that make them caught easier. Also they have less money to protect them in court. Thus are targeted by cops and prosecutors more often. Again, cops and prosecutor performance scores are based of arrest and conviction rates. So it's easier to go for the criminals with less protection.

Also, people that are criminal tend to do things that get them caught and put them into a poor category afterwards. But that isn't the majority of how people end up poor. Many people are poor through no fault of their own. It may never have been a bad decision on their part. A bad medical bill can easily put someone into the poor category for example. One can be born poor as many people are.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Well, that and typical feminist male hatred.



Sounds like for all the liberal whining about the "cycle of poverty" they are the ones that make sure it continues.

The more they whine about the 'cycle', the more they get on they food stamp cards, welfare checks, and tax refunds at the end of the year.

Meanwhile they're driving late model chryslers, have 4 or more kids, smoke/drink/drugs, and simply can't figure out where their money goes. Best I can figure is that the "rich" middle class is taking it.

 

[shortylickens]

Its because blacks are stupid. They wander around the streets high with pot t-shirts and caps that say "fuck the po-leese" and then start crying Rodney King when they get arrested.

Whites smoke weed in the dorm room or their parents lake house and dont let the cops anywhere near them.

 

[HumblePie]

I pretty much agree with everything you said. IMHO its also why using just plan statistics is misleading. If you have more cops in an area because there is more crime, your going to catch more criminals. So while arrests might look racists when you are looking at the just the numbers. In reality more criminals are just being caught in an area. The question to really ask, is why certain area's have more criminals? Right now, the only answer the left has is 'poverty'... maybe its time to look beyond just that.

But here is where I am going to make an agreement with some people. What we have today isn't really always race based punishment, but an artifact of previous racial problems to a degree.

Black people in this country had it hard for a very long time. They were slaves and could own nothing. Even after slavery ended, it was impossible for most black people to succeed, become wealthy, and prosper in life. Over time doors of opportunity have opened and more and more are becoming successful. However, those doors are HARD to open for everyone. Especially those caught in areas that only know gang violence. People really are a product of their environment. Hence that vicious cycle I was discussing a bit earlier. Breaking cycles is hard.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Welfare abuse should be criminal, or at least prosecuted on a stronger level.

In my opinion, ANY welfare abuse, no matter how small.. Should be punished by either complete removal of benefits or sterilization.

If you have 2 kids and are riding the handout train don't have any more or it's welfare abuse.

If you have kids, they live with the grandparents, you should be subject to random house inspections to continue getting benefits.

And so on... The people abusing these systems know exactly what they're doing, and they share the tips/tricks to scamming the system to get as much as possible.

 

[michal1980]

Welfare abuse should be criminal, or at least prosecuted on a stronger level.

In my opinion, ANY welfare abuse, no matter how small.. Should be punished by either complete removal of benefits or sterilization.

If you have 2 kids and are riding the handout train don't have any more or it's welfare abuse.

If you have kids, they live with the grandparents, you should be subject to random house inspections to continue getting benefits.

And so on... The people abusing these systems know exactly what they're doing, and they share the tips/tricks to scamming the system to get as much as possible.

But if were going to do that, corporate welfare needs to end as well.

 

[highland145]

White Guilt. They'd rather let them slide thru than teach them. They refuse to fucking learn, cuz at home they are taught school is the white mans system and needs to be mocked and derided. (They dont actually use those words).
So instead of trying to teach people who might sue if you actually challenged their brains, they write em off.

wut? The Southern schools are keeping blacks down because they don't like them and the ones I posted are letting them stay down because whites feel sorry for them?

I think I need to check my meter.

 

[nehalem256]

Going to have to disagree with you there. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have a criminal mindset as you are implying with this statement it seems to me. Criminal mindsets run the gambit of income levels. Without all the recent wall street criminals we've had, we wouldn't have had the recession/depression we did/still have.

Well it would seem you at least agree that poverty doesn't cause crime.

But that isn't the majority of how people end up poor. Many people are poor through no fault of their own. It may never have been a bad decision on their part. A bad medical bill can easily put someone into the poor category for example. One can be born poor as many people are.

Have to disagree there. There is definitely a common thread for those who remain in poverty. It comes from making poor choices. Just see how much more likely single mothers are to be poor than married couples.

 

[nehalem256]

Welfare abuse should be criminal, or at least prosecuted on a stronger level.

In my opinion, ANY welfare abuse, no matter how small.. Should be punished by either complete removal of benefits or sterilization.

If you have 2 kids and are riding the handout train don't have any more or it's welfare abuse.

If you have kids, they live with the grandparents, you should be subject to random house inspections to continue getting benefits.

And so on... The people abusing these systems know exactly what they're doing, and they share the tips/tricks to scamming the system to get as much as possible.

This is a big part of the problem. Liberals would never call that welfare abuse. Hell, they even defend the idea that Octomom should be able to get welfare so long as she makes less than $120K/yr :\

 

[TerryMathews]

If you have 2 kids and are riding the handout train don't have any more or it's welfare abuse.

As my mom would say, "One is an accident. Two is a choice."

 

[Victorian Gray]

This is a big part of the problem. Liberals would never call that welfare abuse. Hell, they even defend the idea that Octomom should be able to get welfare so long as she makes less than $120K/yr :\

citation please

 

[SpatiallyAware]

citation please

I've read the defense of it as well. The modern progressives feel like these kids and woman are society's burden, no matter the cost or details.

 

[Exterous]

Assuming there is no racism, whether overt or secret, why does disparate impact matter?

Because a racial group is being disparately impacted compared to others when acceptable alternatives exist that would achieve the same goal without having a disparate impact any racial group. The extent of the definition of racism is debatable but many take the stance that racism is not just about intent but about effect as well particularly when an alternative is available that does not result in one racial group suffering more than another

 

[peonyu]

wut? The Southern schools are keeping blacks down because they don't like them and the ones I posted are letting them stay down because whites feel sorry for them?

I think I need to check my meter.

Its just the easy answer, even though it makes no sense since black students do worse in every state of the union [even far off places like Alaska].

The sore thumb that sticks out is other minority groups do fine. Asians excel even in the good ol "whites be racist n sheeit" deep south. And Indians and Muslim students do damn well in the South to; they have a better average GPA than white students. I guess the Black Panthers are right and the answer is just that its really every race is out to hold down the black man and not just white people...Yes, why yes! That makes perfect sense, that has to be it!

Black failure rates surely have 0 to do with glamorizing thugs, and pumping out "6 keeds an mabe many MO" by age 19 is totally normal. School be damned, its all a conspiracy anyways..

 

[highland145]

Plausible.

 

[Munky]

Unfortunate example of liberal logic. Start with a false premise that there should be equality of outcome, and work your way backwards with mental gymnastics as necessary.

 

[nehalem256]

Because a racial group is being disparately impacted compared to others when acceptable alternatives exist that would achieve the same goal without having a disparate impact any racial group. The extent of the definition of racism is debatable but many take the stance that racism is not just about intent but about effect as

So basically retardism.

If you make a rule that has nothing to do with race. Is enforced without any racial bias. But it just happens to impact one race more than another by happenstance; it ain't racist.

well particularly when an alternative is available that does not result in one racial group suffering more than another

So you are arguing that it is okay to be racist sometimes?:hmm:

 

[Victorian Gray]

I've read the defense of it as well. The modern progressives feel like these kids and woman are society's burden, no matter the cost or details.

Citation please.

 

[nehalem256]

Citation please.

Take the case of 29-year-old Jennifer Stepp, who lives in Reading, Pa. Like 14 million other people in the U.S. who live in families headed by single mothers, she's poor. And she faces incredible odds.

Stepp has three children by three different fathers. The father of her eldest child, 10-year-old Isaiah, is serving 30 years in federal prison for armed robbery.

"He's met my son one time, when he was a baby. And he decided that he didn't want him," she says.

Stepp's middle child, 8-year-old Shyanne, usually sees her father every other weekend. But the father of her younger son is also in prison. Stepp says he's been behind bars for selling cocaine since she was pregnant. He has never met 1-year-old Makai.

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/155103593/to-beat-odds-poor-single-moms-need-wide-safety-net

Woman has 3 bastard kids with 3 different baby daddies; 2 of whom are in prison. And this is the woman NPR chooses to highlight the plight of single mothers. Speaks for itself.

Here is but one example of a feminist defense of octomom
http://globalcomment.com/nadya-suleman-and-the-choice-we-never-respect/

 

[Victorian Gray]

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/155103593/to-beat-odds-poor-single-moms-need-wide-safety-net

Woman has 3 bastard kids with 3 different baby daddies; 2 of whom are in prison. And this is the woman NPR chooses to highlight the plight of single mothers. Speaks for itself.

Has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked confirmation of.

Here is but one example of a feminist defense of octomom
http://globalcomment.com/nadya-suleman-and-the-choice-we-never-respect/

At no point in this article does it do what you originally claimed. And I quote:

"Hell, they even defend the idea that Octomom should be able to get welfare so long as she makes less than $120K/yr"

So, citation please.

 

[UberNeuman]

So, citation please.

Don't hold your breath, since the citation will be pulled directly out of his ass...

 

[Geosurface]

Sees someone characterize well-established societal trends in a perfectly reasonable, albeit simplistic way.

Asks for citation to be a douche.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sees someone characterize well-established societal trends in a perfectly reasonable, albeit simplistic way.

Asks for citation to be a douche.

No I ask for a citation to have someone back up a specific statement with facts.

But, your comment certainly tells us something about *you*.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Don't hold your breath, since the citation will be pulled directly out of his ass...

I can but try.

 

[Exterous]

So basically retardism.

If you make a rule that has nothing to do with race. Is enforced without any racial bias. But it just happens to impact one race more than another by happenstance; it ain't racist.

But the rule does have something to do with race if it was chosen over alternatives that achieve the same goal that does not affect one race more than another

So you are arguing that it is okay to be racist sometimes?:hmm:

Only if you ignore the definition of disparate impact as noted earlier in this thread.