Originally posted by: DOSfan
Originally posted by: Shanti
Quit making stuff up.
If you make 25k, after the standard deduction, your taxable income is around 17k. Your tax rate is around 15%, so your total federal taxes should be around $2300.
You pay around 9% of your gross income in federal taxes.
And I got news for you, 9% is not the same as 20%.
But even if you actually did pay 20% of your income in federal taxes, that would mean $5000 a year. And no, even if that were the case, you shouldn't get upset.
At least not nearly as upset as the people who have to pay $50,000 a year in taxes. Why should they have to contribute so much more money than you? I doubt they use the military, roads, school system, social services, etc, etc, any more than you do.
If you want to talk about a truly fair system, not even a flat tax would do.
A truly fair system would require every citizen to contribute the same amount of money. Not the same percentage, but the same amount.
Now obviously this would never be practical, so a flat tax rate is the next best option.
I honestly dont' know why anyone would think a flat tax is not progressive enough.
The rich would still pay far more than the poor. If I make twice as much, I pay twice as much.
But there should be no floor on it. Say we have to have make the rate 12%. If you earn 100 bucks in a year, you should have to pay 12 in taxes.
Just like the guy who makes 100k will have to pay 12k.
Even if the rich still pay far more than their fair share, at least it will remove the disincentive of higher rates for earning more.
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!! Making stuff up? Are you certain? Damn.... I wish I had a way to scan in my pay stubs....
Oh well, you will just have to trust me on this.
My gross weekly pay is about $500. That is assuming, of course, that I do not work the 8-10 hours overtime a week that my supervisers would like all of their employess to do. My weekly Federal Withholding is around $90 a week. Okay, you got me. I rounded a bit. It is a little less than 20%. But
no where near 9%.
And just for the record, the only reason I am making around $25K is because I am working the night shift. If I was working days at the same job, I would be making less.
Now, maybe I haven't thought long and hard about what "richer" people than me would have to pay in taxes... (Probably because I am too busy working hard handling 150lb parts all night long.) But you are a damn fool if you think I am not going to get upset about 1/5th of my paycheck being taken by the greedy asshats that think they know what is best for me. I could care less if the government stands or falls. I would not care if all politicians were thrown out of the country. I am not even possitive I would even give a damn if they all died.
But gaddamnit I best be givin' them their money! I feel like the whore, while they are the pimps. Only difference is, at least the whore has something to show for the hard work at the end of the night. Even if it is just stains on clothing.
And let me take it down a notch. When I was doing day labor jobs. Getting paid each day I worked. I worked harder than I do now, and I was paid $6 an hour. You know what that amounts to? $48 dolars a day. What did the government take? $10 dolars a day. Know how I remember? That is about the same amount as a 6 pack of beer, and a sandwich from a good deli. When I realized they were taking out enough for a good lunch each day I was breaking my back, and sweating very personal parts off, while they were sitting in air conditioned offices smoking expensive cigars that they dipped in brandy and cheap sluts, while "discusing" what is best for us, that is when I started to loose what little interest I had left in our "democracy."
And please, before you try to "enlighten" me any further, don't waste your time trying to show me just how wrong I am. Because, I just do not care. I feel the way I feel, and that is all there is to it.
I had intended to answer other peoples questions, but right now I just do not feel like it. Good night.
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