Why am I gullible? No one is bothering to disprove anything he has said. Your mind is made up and will not allow yourself to openly listen to what he says.
Why am I gullible? No one is bothering to disprove anything he has said. Your mind is made up and will not allow yourself to openly listen to what he says.
thats like me saying that muslims are way more violent than I previously thought..
nice way to generalize there buddy
So you are claiming that dinosaurs have never existed? Let's make sure we're on the same page--what exactly was never proven true?
I think we can all say that dinosaurs existed at one time or another. What is at debate is WHEN they became extinct, if they truly ARE extinct. I say that the Loch Ness Monster COULD be a dinosaur. You say I am gullible for believing this, but at the same time, give no reasons for saying that it can't be true. Your argument is a nonargument.
NL5
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You can't prove a negative.
Again, where is the proof Bronze age Romans were in the America's?
The flood was 4400 years ago - all life was destroyed save the ark. Yet, the chinese calandar goes back 4700 years.
Also, he is very clever in the way he lays things out. He gives you a fact, then makes wild assumptions based on that fact. Then tells you to try and dispute his fact, not his wild assumption.
All that talk about dragons being dinosaurs - where is a dragon fossil - all the picture he showed were of classic winged, fire breathing dragon. I've never seen a fossilized dragon.
He is a loon..........
Dragons were flying creatures that look very similar to the flying dinosaurs. Why couldn't dinosaurs and dragons be the same thing? There are different words for other animals--panthers, cougars, and mountain lions are all the same animal. why can't a dragon and a dinosaur be the same animal?
Also, why does the absence of a dragon fossil mean it did not exist? Don't we have fossils of flying dinosaurs? Again, why can't they be the same creature?
Also, why does the absence of a dragon fossil mean it did not exist? Don't we have fossils of flying dinosaurs? Again, why can't they be the same creature?
NL5
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Way to sidestep everything else....
To address the dragon issue - Mr Hovind was showing all the paintings and textual accounts of dragons to prove dinasaurs existed with humans, yet no fossil of any dinasaur that looked like any dragon I've ever seen depicted. A Pterydactl looks nothing like a dragon......
Why can't there be evolution and creation simultaneously? If God is Omnipresent, Omniscient etc. than both "realities" can of course be valid. God manifested a universe and humanity came about 14 billion years later. The creationists think it would be a waste of all that time if 14 billion years pass? Why? What is 14 billion years to God? Is it because we came evolved from monkeys? Why, the Dhali Lhama did. Of course God (Omnipresent and Omniscient that She/He/It (human terms) could have infused "monkeys" with She/He/It's mirror image as free will derived co-creators and the symbolic "Adam and Eve" appeared. Why can't God have scientific laws and natural laws within creation? I absolutely think religion should be kept out of the elementary through high school classroom but I for one believe in God and science. Nothing in science for me contradicts "God" and nothing about my faith/belief in "God" contradicts the found laws/theories of "science". God can't pass the false hypothesis test and I have no problem with that at all.
The Bible makes reference to dragons taking down a third of the stars. The reference to dragons was made in Revelations which is in the future not the past. So if dragons were dinosaurs, are there going to be dinosaurs in the future? Or even more specific, dinosaurs that will take down a third of the stars? Does that sound plausible to you?
Sure I can...
King James
Rev 12:3 - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 - And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Happy?
WTF? That has nothing to do with my question. Can you not answer a direct question, or have you run out of make believe answers?
I am happy actually. Revelation is a great book and it holds the keys to a lot of thing things that will come to be. I personally like Revelation 9:20,21 a lot because it gives me a good guideline on a lot of things.
The thing you have to keep in context about the book of Revelation though, is that it is an open vision that John is having. And when there are visions in the bible, there is a lot of symbolism that goes with them. If you read the books of the prophets you will see what I am saying. So, I can't really say if the book of Revelation is talking about a real dragon, or that the dragon is symbolic. I'm leaning more towards it being symbolic, since the detail that we are given about it is very intersting and carries a lot of interpretation to what the dragon stands for.
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Holy Hell. *All hail king of the douchebags*.
In numerous languages, the word for Dragon and Dinosaur is the EXACT SAME WORD. "Dragon" is the word that numerous cultures called Dinosaurs. Some of you morons are so damn nitpicky that you completely miss the point and try to argue on petty invalid and pointless concepts. Are you seriously arguing that it's impossible for any culture to refer to a dinosaur as a dragon? Are there really no similarities between the two.
Do the world a favor and off yourself. Kthxbye.
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There's no point in arguing with people who believe Hovind's tripe. They're too enraptured with their faith. To them, everything he says is the truth, regardless of scientific evidence that says otherwise, and they completley fail to see the blatant fallacies that he uses to build his "arguments." Watch some of his debates instead of just his seminars. He spends nearly as much time ripping on his opponents as he does on the actual issue (which to be fair, he actually spends most of the time side-stepping).
I'll say this though. Hovind is an impressive spreaker. He moves fast and jumps topics very quickly. If you're not watching with a critical eye, I can see how anyone with a shred of faith could be easily swayed. I wouldn't be suprised if the guy has taken courses on effective speaking, self-hypnosis, and whatever other various techniques work wonders on the gullible.
And LMFAO at the Loch Ness Monster.
I'll say this though. Hovind is an impressive spreaker. He moves fast and jumps topics very quickly. If you're not watching with a critical eye, I can see how anyone with a shred of faith could be easily swayed. I wouldn't be suprised if the guy has taken courses on effective speaking, self-hypnosis, and whatever other various techniques work wonders on the gullible.
And LMFAO at the Loch Ness Monster.
I'll take a stab at this one.
First of all, just because it's in revelation by no means is saying this is the future... infact it's the past. And the "Dragon" in this scripture has absolutely nothing to do with a dinosaur. It's the "dragon" aka "serpent" referring to Satan. The seven heads/crowns/etc. are referring to his followers or legions/kingdoms.
Satan tried to overthrow God's plan, thinking he was stronger. He was cast out and "drew a third part of the stars in heaven" with him to earth...stars in heaven referring to spirits. 1/3 chose to follow satan to earth and forego their chance at recieving a physical body, while the other 2/3rd sided with God.
The Dragon waiting to devour the child as soon as it was born refers to Satan waiting for the birth of Christ to make him fail.
FUNDIES FTL!!!!! :|
If they believed that they would go to heaven if they Jihaded, they would be exactly the same as terrorists.
**EDIT**
It is possible that dinosaurs survived and existed in small populations with humans though.
If they believed that they would go to heaven if they Jihaded, they would be exactly the same as terrorists.
**EDIT**
It is possible that dinosaurs survived and existed in small populations with humans though.
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