Does P&N have any answers to this? Any glorious insights to share?

[Amused]

Islam and Christianity in South Asia has caste too. So try again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims#:~:text=Pakistani Punjab-,Zamindars, Kammis, and the Seyp System,groups based on parentage occupations.

So I take by your complete ignoring of my question you do not have any proof whatsoever, much less definitive proof the numbers do not reflect a majority of conversion, rather than genocide?

And yes, it is rather sad that former Hindus carry their shitty caste system into their new religions. However, ONLY Hindu has the caste system hard wired into it. It is the Jim Crow of religions.

This is a fact: Monotheistic religions have a long history of replacing poly-theistic religions. Mostly by conversion.

 

[cytg111]

Sure, sure. The minority population in Pakistan and Bangladesh is declining because of increasing prosperity. Keep telling yourself that.

Anything to float your boat.

Well, yes, that is how it goes… What’s your line of reasoning?

 

[Braznor]

I don't give a shit about what you think of Hinduism. Biased minds are just that.

Refusing to acknowledge the gross injustice perpetuated upon the minority populations of Pakistan and Bangladesh is a clear sign of the sickness possessing the likes of you here. You can blame the caste system all you want, but it is in the past and while work remains to be done to eradicate it. much progress has been achieved in the good fight against it and will continue to be achieved. Again the refusal to acknowledge the sufferings of the minority population of Pakistan and Bangladesh perfectly illustrates the marriage of convenience between the liberal/left and Islamic supremacism. This same sickness manifests in the form of calls for genocide of Jews in your Western universities. (Note how the heads of UPenn, Harvard and MIT who initially defended the calls for genocide of Jews during your congressional hearings.) P&N's refusal to discuss this speaks volumes about all your intentions and where it comes from.

Your fixation with caste is a hollow one considering Sikhs and Christian populations are too persecuted in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Try explaining that with your caste based lens. And anyway none of this touches upon the point of contention I raised in the OP, the CAA bill which has proven to be a lifeline for the persecuted people who have fled Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

As for your phrase about Hinduism being the 'Jim Crow of religions' I just don't give a fuck about that shit. Keep doing that shit with your Islamic fundamentalists friends, maybe this will impress them and they might spare you when its your turn to suffer from Islamic fundamentalism. So you folks keep it up here. Just don't think for a second you are fooling us. We know all about it.

And yes, it is rather sad that former Hindus carry their shitty caste system into their new religions. However, ONLY Hindu has the caste system hard wired into it. It is the Jim Crow of religions.

This is a fact: Monotheistic religions have a long history of replacing poly-theistic religions. Mostly by conversion.

 

[Braznor]

Well, yes, that is how it goes… What’s your line of reasoning?

The people facing persecution are from the lowest strata of Pakistan and Bangladesh's society. P&N abject refusal to acknowledge their suffering shows its true colors about the hollowness of it's claim to be moral and enlightened.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Refusing to acknowledge the gross injustice perpetuated upon the minority populations of Pakistan and Bangladesh is a clear sign of the sickness possessing the likes of you here.

Y'know, sometimes people just have too much shit on their plate with the rest of the planet that actually affects them to be concerned with something that's frankly a pet problem of yours.

In other words, piss up a flagpole.

 

[Braznor]

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Y'know, sometimes people just have too much shit on their plate with the rest of the planet that actually affects them to be concerned with something that's frankly a pet problem of yours.

In other words, piss up a flagpole.

See, its the hypocrisy which bothers me.

When you don't give a fuck about the issue, you are supposed to lose the right to preach about it. But that is not what happens here. You care enough to lecture India, the BJP and the Hindus about it, but suddenly stop caring when its your turn in the frying pan.

In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[brycejones]

The people facing persecution are from the lowest strata of Pakistan and Bangladesh's society. P&N abject refusal to acknowledge their suffering shows its true colors about the hollowness of it's claim to be moral and enlightened.

If only you would provide something called evidence to support your claims.

 

[Braznor]

If only you would provide something called evidence to support your claims.

Enough proof exists. I refuse to spoon feed you when you are perfectly capable of getting to the bottom of this yourself. Your blanket refusal is noted.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

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See, its the hypocrisy which bothers me.

When you don't give a fuck about the issue, you are supposed to lose the right to preach about it. But that is not what happens here. You care enough to lecture India, the BJP and the Hindus about it, but suddenly stop caring when its your turn in the firing pan.

In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Who the fuck are you talking about? Indian politics only gets talked about in this forum when some shit stirring asshat like you comes along.

Quote a post of anyone 'lecturing India' outside of this thread.

 

[Braznor]

Who the fuck are you talking about? Indian politics only gets talked about in this forum when some shit stirring asshat like you comes along.

Quote a post of anyone 'lecturing India' outside of this thread.

Sure, denial works too.

 

[brycejones]

Enough proof exists. I refuse to spoon feed you when you are perfectly capable of getting to the bottom of this yourself. Your blanket refusal is noted.

Provide the proof. You've made assertions it's on you to support them. Assertions made without evidence can be refuted without evidence.

 

[Braznor]

Here is the first page of Google when I type 'Religious persecution of minorities in Pakistan'. That's it. Maybe instead of typing all that words to ask me for proof, spend it on Google instead. Your lack of will in exerting the minuscule effort required just illustrates the insincerity of your concerns here.

 

[cytg111]

The people facing persecution are from the lowest strata of Pakistan and Bangladesh's society. P&N abject refusal to acknowledge their suffering shows its true colors about the hollowness of it's claim to be moral and enlightened.

I think the issue is we dont understand it? Can’t condemn something I dont understand. Persecution of minorities is always a bad look. Is that what you are after?

Listen, most of the planet is not up to western standards of equality and individual freedoms… And even we think we struggle with this shit. You need ATPN to condemn stoning of women too? Common man.

 

[IronWing]

Hmm, if I understand your toddler-like blubbering correctly, you would like, for some strange reason, to have posters here condemn Pakistan and Bangladesh for being shithole countries with long records of human rights abuses against minority religions. Well, okay.

I condemn Pakistan and Bangladesh for being shithole countries with long records of human rights abuses against minority religions.

The BJP is still a bigoted party with a history of human rights abuses and the CAA is discriminatory based on religion.

See, we can do both. The fact that Pakistan and Bangladesh are shithole countries with long records of human rights abuses against minority religions doesn't create a pass for BJP being shitty people implementing discriminatory policies against minority religions.

Ask me about walking and chewing gum.

 

[Braznor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide

This is the level of persecution minorities faced at the hands of the Pakistan government with American support and you bash the CAA bill on a technicality. Your unreasonable assertion here is not your words about BJP being a shitty party, I know you can't help, but posses a jaundiced and hollow opinion on BJP. I couldn't care less about that.

But one thing cannot be denied and that is your unreasonable assertion that unless Muslims are included in the CAA, then a lifeline cannot be extended to the other PERSECUTED MINORITY communities of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. That's an unreasonable request, you know it, yet you still demand it anyway in an eyes closed ears shut hypocritical manner. This is your bone of contention against the CAA bill and P&N bias shows in the full glare of the sunlight. India cannot afford nor can save everyone in South Asia. But the CAA bill is a small step towards making the lives of persecuted people better in this part of the world.

And wait, Kudos to the BJP for bringing about the CAA. I'm really happy about it.

Hmm, if I understand your toddler-like blubbering correctly, you would like, for some strange reason, to have posters here condemn Pakistan and Bangladesh for being shithole countries with long records of human rights abuses against minority religions. Well, okay.

I condemn Pakistan and Bangladesh for being shithole countries with long records of human rights abuses against minority religions.

The BJP is still a bigoted party with a history of human rights abuses and the CAA is discriminatory based on religion.

See, we can do both. The fact that Pakistan and Bangladesh are shithole countries with long records of human rights abuses against minority religions doesn't create a pass for BJP being shitty people implementing discriminatory policies against minority religions.

Ask me about walking and chewing gum.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Sure, denial works too.

I get that you're in that local area (UTC+5) but you really need to realize that most of us just don't have the mental space to care about every. single. thing. happening. US shit makes big news everywhere for myriad reasons, but most of us aren't likely to care about what's happening in India/Pakistan/wherever in the same way that you aren't likely caring what's happening in Brazil/Ethiopia/Australia.

Anyhow, thanks for providing quotes though, really showing that you're not just trolling.

 

[Vic]

Seems the OP wants us to pick sides between 2 nationalist factions that both have long histories of violence, persecution, and oppression.
And the ATPN answer is that both sides suck. Because they do. Nationalism is a plague upon humanity. All nationalists want to do is divide people so they can justify their violence. All the OP wants from us is that we condemn the evil on the other side so that his side can freely do its own evil.
Go fuck yourself.

 

[Braznor]

Seems the OP wants us to pick sides between 2 nationalist factions that both have long histories of violence, persecution, and oppression.
And the ATPN answer is that both sides suck. Because they do. Nationalism is a plague upon humanity. All nationalists want to do is divide people so they can justify their violence. All the OP wants from us is that we condemn the evil on the other side so that his side can freely do its own evil.
Go fuck yourself.

Yawn. the usual false equivalence trick.

 

[IronWing]

Yawn. the usual false equivalence trick.

Psst, your shit stinks.

 

[Braznor]

Psst, your shit stinks.

Stooped to your true level didn't you? It didn't take long. Just one poke and ................ whoosh!

 

[Amused]

I don't give a shit about what you think of Hinduism. Biased minds are just that.

Refusing to acknowledge the gross injustice perpetuated upon the minority populations of Pakistan and Bangladesh is a clear sign of the sickness possessing the likes of you here. You can blame the caste system all you want, but it is in the past and while work remains to be done to eradicate it. much progress has been achieved in the good fight against it and will continue to be achieved. Again the refusal to acknowledge the sufferings of the minority population of Pakistan and Bangladesh perfectly illustrates the marriage of convenience between the liberal/left and Islamic supremacism. This same sickness manifests in the form of calls for genocide of Jews in your Western universities. (Note how the heads of UPenn, Harvard and MIT who initially defended the calls for genocide of Jews during your congressional hearings.) P&N's refusal to discuss this speaks volumes about all your intentions and where it comes from.

Your fixation with caste is a hollow one considering Sikhs and Christian populations are too persecuted in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Try explaining that with your caste based lens. And anyway none of this touches upon the point of contention I raised in the OP, the CAA bill which has proven to be a lifeline for the persecuted people who have fled Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

As for your phrase about Hinduism being the 'Jim Crow of religions' I just don't give a fuck about that shit. Keep doing that shit with your Islamic fundamentalists friends, maybe this will impress them and they might spare you when its your turn to suffer from Islamic fundamentalism. So you folks keep it up here. Just don't think for a second you are fooling us. We know all about it.

Again, you dodge the central question with huffs and puffs.

Do you have definitive proof the change is not primarily conversions?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Stooped to your true level didn't you? It didn't take long. Just one poke and ................ whoosh!

Don't start shit unless you want to be called out on it.

 

[Braznor]

Again, you dodge the central question with huffs and puffs.

Do you have definitive proof the change is not primarily conversions?

I don't get it. Are you claiming forced conversions is somehow more moral compared to killing people outright?

Is that seriously the crux of your argument?

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

The answer to the queustion in the subject of this thread is a resounding "no". No answers, no insights. Now go away.

 

[Braznor]

Don't start shit unless you want to be called out on it.

He had it coming.