This whole thread is a fail. OP wants to defend India's CCA by pointing to examples of Hindu persecution in another country. His whole point seemed to be that "Hindus were disappearing". I provided evidence (granted--from a Wikipedia search citing government stats) that showed despite widespread conversion efforts, Hindus were still growing as a % of overall population. Maybe it's bad data, but OP has nothing to back up his claims.
Meanwhile, no one said shit about the actual CAA in this thread because it's pretty much fait accompli--that shit was so 2020! It's happening, it's a done deal, and nobody here really cares. But, I will say comparing the CAA to Hindu conversion efforts in Pakistan is an apples and oranges comparison. Both are bad policy, but at least Pakistan is *giving* benefits to those who convert, not taking them away with no recourse.
The CAA will devastate migrant communities fleeing ethnic violence, floods and famine by putting a religious test on the fast track to citizenship (think Rohingya). Some of the states bordering Myanmar and Bangladesh know it's bad policy and are fighting the central government to prevent implementation. But that's India's concern--lord knows we have our own issues with migrants to deal with.
Bottomline--defending one bad policy by pointing to another bad policy is not the way to win a debate. This from someone whose ancestral family home in Lahore was burned and looted and I've vowed to never set foot in that country as long as Pakistan exists.
This whole thread is a fail. OP wants to defend India's CCA by pointing to examples of Hindu persecution in another country. His whole point seemed to be that "Hindus were disappearing". I provided evidence (granted--from a Wikipedia search citing government stats) that showed despite widespread conversion efforts, Hindus were still growing as a % of overall population. Maybe it's bad data, but OP has nothing to back up his claims.
Just the Hindu community? Nope, the CAA covers the entire spectrum of minorities from Pakistan. Nice twist to project me as a parochial person and the CAA as a narrow minded bill. No, my concern is for all the minority people there, not just Hindus. And whatever my claims may be, you did not reveal the source of the data you posted trying to twist the narrative. We all know that Pakistan is a trust worthy member of the international community and their words must be taken as a gospel truth. (sarcasm) Note, I give full freedom to people to use their own source and do not restrict them to a singular link unlike your 'source' which only relied on claims from Pakistan itself. By the way the 'census' you relied by Pakistan is not trusted by the Pakistanis themselves and is under dispute. The only fact we can trust in Pakistan is that the religious minorities in that place suffer from unspeakable horror and misery. But oh no, you not only used their data to suppress the fact of their persecution, you even attempted to suppress the fact that the figures you posted were from the Pakistani census and attempted to stop the debate at the very onset. Thats a serious red flag on your credibility.
Meanwhile, no one said shit about the actual CAA in this thread because it's pretty much fait accompli--that shit was so 2020! It's happening, it's a done deal, and nobody here really cares. But, I will say comparing the CAA to Hindu conversion efforts in Pakistan is an apples and oranges comparison. Both are bad policy, but at least Pakistan is *giving* benefits to those who convert, not taking them away with no recourse.
This is a pretty weak excuse. The CAA was a big deal at the time of its announcement (we even had riots in Delhi over it and you are thanking the Pakistani government for throwing scraps at the oppressed people who converted out of sheer suffering. It speaks volumes about your lack of judgment in this affair.
The CAA will devastate migrant communities fleeing ethnic violence, floods and famine by putting a religious test on the fast track to citizenship (think Rohingya). Some of the states bordering Myanmar and Bangladesh know it's bad policy and are fighting the central government to prevent implementation. But that's India's concern--lord knows we have our own issues with migrants to deal with.
What part of offering refuge to oppressed RELIGIOUS MINORITIES don't you understand? Muslims are not a religious minority in Pakistan and I myself wish Ahmediyas from Pakistan are too covered under the CAA Bill (Ahmediyas are not recognized as Muslims in Pakistan) Hopefully they would get covered too under the next iteration of the Bill.
And nothing prevents any Muslim refugee in India from seeking recourse to Indian citizenship using the normal citizenship process, it just won't be fasttracked as under CAA. By the way, its very unreasonable that India is expected to save everyone from the miserable conditions in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. I think it is mighty nice of India to offer a way out to ATLEAST to the minority population of those countries. So again whether it is good policy in your opinion or not, it is a fine policy in my opinion and again in my opinion I wish it includes Ahmadiyas from Pakistan who are as much oppressed as the other religious minorities. Rohingyas from Myanmar is outside the preview of the CAA since the act covers only minorities from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
Bottomline--defending one bad policy by pointing to another bad policy is not the way to win a debate. This from someone whose ancestral family home in Lahore was burned and looted and I've vowed to never set foot in that country as long as Pakistan exists.
Again trying to mislead people and denying the suffering of the minority groups of these countries is not an ethical way to win a debate itself. Suppressing the Pakistani source of your census numbers is a highly deceitful act and trying to abort the debate at the very initial stage was highly unethical on your part, no matter how brash I might have been in responding to the assholes who were trying to deny the persecution.
Again I repeat, the CAA is a lifeline for much of the people left with nothing after the partition. Your personal vows have turned irrelevant the moment you tried to suppress the truth of the suffering of the minorities of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
So here is one thing you can keep in mind.
Whether or not, people here change their minds about the CAA is irrelevant. The fact of the suffering of the minorities of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan was thrown into open light here in the minds of the people posting in AT. That for me was a victory enough by itself.
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