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Vic

Vic

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Amused said:
I gathered that, but his first hurdle is to definitively rule out conversions as the primary cause.

One way to do that is to look at overall population numbers.

Ya know, with the oppressive Hindu Caste system it's not hard to see why Islam would be more attractive.
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For real. Hindu culture has brought humanity many amazing achievements and advancements, but the system where one person gets to shit in the street while another is forced to pick it up all based on accident of birth is fucked up beyond words.
 
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WelshBloke

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nakedfrog said:
Presumably OP is talking about this.


And it sounds like he's searching for some kind of solution for what he regards as "the Muslim problem", not sure if he's looking for a final one or not.
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I kinda wanted the OP to expand on why he thinks that the citizenship law isn't discriminatory (as he said in his post) when it doesn't even try to hide that it discriminates against Muslims but he decided to do his usual foam flecked, fact free rants instead.

Still at least it's a bit of cheap entertainment!
 
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Oh, this is a fun dumpy thread...
Braznor said:
P&N pretending stupidity or apathy when facing facts that doesn't fit its narrative.
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Still waiting for you to present those "facts" to support your opinion on the topic. We know what that opinion is, but you have yet to state it for those who might not.
ch33zw1z said:
Not only that, he doesn’t care enough to actually discuss. Just rant and call names.
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Give a subject. Give nothing to support your subjective opinions. Say nothing about the details of the topic. Demand everyone else have knowledge of it and give their opinions while refusing to offer your own. If someone does try to give an honest answer, attack them for it anyway. Rinse, repeat.

See, I have the Braznor SOP cracked.
Braznor said:
This is P&N. Grow a thicker skin.
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Projection.
Braznor said:
What the fuck do you expect when he tried to engage in outright intellectual dishonesty at the very onset?

But you go on simping for the cretins here.
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Your idea of "intellectual dishonesty" is someone not agreeing with you when YOU keep simping for Modi.

So again...projection.
Braznor said:
Ha ha ha. You could have just stayed the fuck out...
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You also could have not started this jackass of a thread. You know...stay the fuck out?
Braznor said:
Any fvcking excuse instead of just one reasonable answer from just any one of the usual suspects infesting this sewer
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Still waiting for those "facts" (that you have yet to offer) from you to support your opinion (which you haven't actually given, at least not directly).
Braznor said:
And this guy is trying to sow confusion. Give him a hand folks. Atleast he tried something new.
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This might've been one of the only, if not THE only person to attempt to offer what he thinks. Were you any more reasonable? No. Of course not.

Get out of that liquor cabinet, douche.
 
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ivwshane

ivwshane

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The number of Christian’s and religious people is also declining here in the states. Why do you think that is? What should be done about it if anything?
 
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Jaskalas

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Braznor said:
With what fucking logic do all of you here criticize the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) as passed by India under the BJP and call it discriminatory?
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1: Never heard of it.
2: At first glance, seems fair enough and I wouldn't care that it exists.

I assume our government has said something about it. Well, America has often been full of shit with regards to imposing itself on other nations around the world. Big part of the reason why Russia and China have so much international appeal. But really, is it just about words? Has the United States taken action against India for this subject?
 
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WelshBloke

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Jaskalas said:
1: Never heard of it.
2: At first glance, seems fair enough and I wouldn't care that it exists.
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It's absolutely discriminatory, it discriminates depending on what religion you are. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing is a different point but I don't see how anyone can say it's not discriminatory.
 
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WelshBloke said:
It's absolutely discriminatory, it discriminates depending on what religion you are. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing is a different point but I don't see how anyone can say it's not discriminatory.
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Why must other nations abide by our constitutional rights?

In theory it'd be great if we could "spread Democracy". Get others to adopt human rights. In reality, they just tell us to piss off and side with our enemies. Resulting in a GROWTH of genocide, torture, slavery, and all other sorts of depravities around the world. We need baby steps. We need to get nations to align with us first. So long as they are not invading their neighbors and causing widespread death and destruction, I'd settle for that. Let peace cook for decades. Then we discuss what a "next step" is for international relations. Expectations, etc. But it cannot just be the US, it should be the "free world" as a whole. Let the bloc determine how to nudge others along, where our priorities lie.

I mean, the US has relations with China....
After that, what standing do we possibly have in telling India who it must allow into its own country?
 
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brycejones

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Jaskalas said:
Why must other nations abide by our constitutional rights?

In theory it'd be great if we could "spread Democracy". Get others to adopt human rights. In reality, they just tell us to piss off and side with our enemies. Resulting in a GROWTH of genocide, torture, slavery, and all other sorts of depravities around the world. We need baby steps. We need to get nations to align with us first. So long as they are not invading their neighbors and causing widespread death and destruction, I'd settle for that. Let peace cook for decades. Then we discuss what a "next step" is for international relations. Expectations, etc. But it cannot just be the US, it should be the "free world" as a whole. Let the bloc determine how to nudge others along, where our priorities lie.

I mean, the US has relations with China....
After that, what standing do we possibly have in telling India who it must allow into its own country?
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You do realize you're talking to someone who lives in the UK right?
 
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WelshBloke said:
I never said they should. I said that the law was discriminatory. I said that because it is. It doesn't matter what any other country say, it's not going to change that that law discriminates against Muslims.
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IIRC the law still permits Muslims to apply for citizenship through the ordinary immigration process. Without the law, Muslims would not have an easier time immigrating. It may technically be discrimination but it isn't on the same level as banning a group from immigrating.
 
Braznor

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Amused said:
Islam's most compelling selling point to Hindis is the elimination of the oppressive Caste system.
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Amused said:
I gathered that, but his first hurdle is to definitively rule out conversions as the primary cause.

One way to do that is to look at overall population numbers.

Ya know, with the oppressive Hindu Caste system it's not hard to see why Islam would be more attractive.
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Islam and Christianity in South Asia has caste too. So try again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims#:~:text=Pakistani Punjab-,Zamindars, Kammis, and the Seyp System,groups based on parentage occupations.
 
Braznor

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WelshBloke said:
Apparently the Christian population of the UK had declined whilst the Hindu population has increased! From this we must deduce that there's a Hindu genocide against UK Christians!

Do your research sheeple!
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Great joke, really :rolleyes:


Are you claiming that the minority populations in Pakistan and Bangladesh do not face any kind of brutal persecution?
 
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WelshBloke said:
I think that OP is trying, in a cowardly and weaselly way, to imply that there's a genocide against Hindus and thus any thing that India does in response to this is justified.

It would help if he wasn't such an inarticulate bitch and just stated his position in a clear supported way.
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And what the fuck do you think India did exactly?

India offered a refuge, a lifeline to the people who have escaped horrendous persecution in these countries. Not just Hindus, but Sikhs, Christians as well.

And all people like you on P&N know is how to take a massive dump on a humanitarian bill and oh yea making jokes on the unfortunate. :rolleyes:
 
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Christian, Muslim, Hindu Buddhist, Jew etc, are they not all the same? Don't they all believe their religion is the repository of the path to the good and that by following that teaching and perhaps that teaching alone one can attain to that goodness oneself? Do they all not ask one to have faith, that is to believe the truth of the teaching, and not some personal path you invent for yourself, whatever notions about the good you may have started out with? Isn't that form of submission, the surrender of personal judgment called faith? Isn't faith then a simple submission to a goodness that may transcend human comprehension? Isn't faith a trust in the existence of good? So why would anyone care what name they put to their faith when the faithful of each believe the same thing? The truly faithful then, are they not all the same?

Why would anyone argue one religion over another, then, unless they lack faith, unless they don't really believe and are incapable of trust in the good.
 
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