there are those that are so scared of Hilary that they predict all kind of disasters if she is elected, I don't think that she will do 1% of the damage that bush and cheney have done.
This must scare the bejeebus out of the resident Republicans :laugh:
8-8-2007 Clinton has big lead in national polls
According to a realclearpolitics.com average of recent polls, the New York senator and former first lady is enjoying a gap of 18 percentage points over her closest challenger, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, 41 percent to 22 percent, while former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has 11.5 percent.
8-8-2007 Clinton has big lead in national polls
According to a realclearpolitics.com average of recent polls, the New York senator and former first lady is enjoying a gap of 18 percentage points over her closest challenger, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, 41 percent to 22 percent, while former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has 11.5 percent.
Heh, American sounds like bunch of little kids when it come to politic, it's like people vote base on how much they like or dislike the candidate and not because of the candidate's experience, ideas and resourcefulness.
Hilary Clinton is experienced and she inherits a network of able politicians from her husband's 8 years of successful presidency. I like Obama, but I think Clinton will be a better president. Oh well, I am just a permanent resident so my opinion don't count anyway...well maybe a few more years later for her second term.
Hilary Clinton is experienced and she inherits a network of able politicians from her husband's 8 years of successful presidency. I like Obama, but I think Clinton will be a better president. Oh well, I am just a permanent resident so my opinion don't count anyway...well maybe a few more years later for her second term.
Bowfinger
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2002
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Dave, I think you have it backwards. H. Clinton is the person they most want to run against. She is so divisive and has so much baggage their slime machine can exploit that she is the one person they can most easily defeat. Sadly, the Democratic party is just disconnected enough that they're likely to hand her the nomination anyway.
I'm registered as a democrat. I want to vote for a democrat next election. If Hillary is the nomination, I'll be voting republican. I suppose I shouldn't underestimate the republican's ability to put up a worse candidate, but I'm not sure how they could.
LOL gave me a good chuckle for sure
Edit- honestly I can not see myself voting for any candidate who's profession was a lawyer especially if they were an ambulance chasing type of lawyer like Edwards.
ericlp
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- Dec 24, 2000
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Well, I am voting 3rd party....
I hate the mainstream and all the money, corruption and baggage that it brings to the table...
I'll find it interesting "AGAIN" to see who actually votes in this election. My take, this will be the most expensive election to date... yet the worst voter turn out ever....
"Yes, she does have a shot" she certainly has the ticket to ride... EI $$$$!!!!! Would I vote for her? Highly unlikely, would I vote for a 3rd party female or black person? You bet! I don't see any race or gender issues with next president.
I hate the mainstream and all the money, corruption and baggage that it brings to the table...
I'll find it interesting "AGAIN" to see who actually votes in this election. My take, this will be the most expensive election to date... yet the worst voter turn out ever....
"Yes, she does have a shot" she certainly has the ticket to ride... EI $$$$!!!!! Would I vote for her? Highly unlikely, would I vote for a 3rd party female or black person? You bet! I don't see any race or gender issues with next president.
QuantumPion
Diamond Member
- Jun 27, 2005
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Would Hillary ever be considered for President (or Senator for that matter) if it weren't for her last name?
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
- Aug 20, 2000
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Senator Clinton is certainly intelligent enough to handle the job capably, but it seems that she holds no positions of her own and relies on what the polls of the day say to formulate policy. That leads to a lot of rather annoying vagueness and doubletalk in her press statements.
I have really no clue who the frontrunners are on the Republican side of things, so I can't predict a winner just yet. However, I do imagine that of all of the Democrats running, Senator Clinton would be the one the Republicans would most like to run against. There's just so much material for them to work with.
I have really no clue who the frontrunners are on the Republican side of things, so I can't predict a winner just yet. However, I do imagine that of all of the Democrats running, Senator Clinton would be the one the Republicans would most like to run against. There's just so much material for them to work with.
Lemon law
Lifer
- Nov 6, 2005
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In more normal circumstances, Hillary would have all the aces. She, like her husband has staked out a middle of the road centrists position and when she runs against the likely ultra right 08 Republican nominee, she should win by a land slide.
But its still that central middle of the electorate that elects the President. And also the foam at the mouth hatreds that also play a huge part. And Hillary democratic negatives are mainly on her pandering on the Iraq war. And from a Republican standpoint, too many just hate Hillary.
Looking at the rest of the democratic field, leaves some instinctive distrust of both Edwards and Obama. With Edwards being seen as being too opportunistic and Obama as being in inexperienced and ill defined. And Obama lost a lot of support when he shot his mouth off on Pakistan. But the Democratic field is still crowded with other moderates able to politically appeal to the American electorate.
But it still boils down to winning the democratic primaries. And for 08, I think its far more likely that dems rather than the Repubs will arrive at their convention wih the nomination locked up. And the current front runner for the dems is Hillary. Unless the political climate changes quite a bit it will be Hillary.
Partisan dems might have some reasons to be distressed at Hillary high negatives, but when we look at the Republican 08 field, none of them could be elected dog catcher in the
the general elections. With the choice being total ultra right phonies, one libertarian, and a 24 carat phony who is only slightly more moderate than a ultra righter.
Which still leaves us with, if the election was being held today, the dems will win by a landslide, no matter who they nominate.
And now what are the republicans going to do about?----and if the Repubs just lock in gridlock to fossilize the recent Republican failures, so much the better for the dems.
Which still means the Republicans will have to make positive things happen without a congressional majority.
Which then asks the real things that must be watched between now and 11/08. At what point will the Republicans decide to run away from GWB? And when that happens, can they then get the dems to do something foolish and thereby catch the blame for it when that foolishness backfires bigtime. And which Presidential candidates will go on record as supporting that foolishness thereby sinking their chances of winning either the party nod or the general election? Timing is everything as we keep kicking the Iraqi can down the road.
Like any other crime such as bank robbery, the thief often gets to enjoy they reward first.
And the price is only paid when they get caught and get convicted by the jury. The republirats have committed the crime by screwing the pooch, and now can they avoid being convicted by the American jury on 11/08?
But its still that central middle of the electorate that elects the President. And also the foam at the mouth hatreds that also play a huge part. And Hillary democratic negatives are mainly on her pandering on the Iraq war. And from a Republican standpoint, too many just hate Hillary.
Looking at the rest of the democratic field, leaves some instinctive distrust of both Edwards and Obama. With Edwards being seen as being too opportunistic and Obama as being in inexperienced and ill defined. And Obama lost a lot of support when he shot his mouth off on Pakistan. But the Democratic field is still crowded with other moderates able to politically appeal to the American electorate.
But it still boils down to winning the democratic primaries. And for 08, I think its far more likely that dems rather than the Repubs will arrive at their convention wih the nomination locked up. And the current front runner for the dems is Hillary. Unless the political climate changes quite a bit it will be Hillary.
Partisan dems might have some reasons to be distressed at Hillary high negatives, but when we look at the Republican 08 field, none of them could be elected dog catcher in the
the general elections. With the choice being total ultra right phonies, one libertarian, and a 24 carat phony who is only slightly more moderate than a ultra righter.
Which still leaves us with, if the election was being held today, the dems will win by a landslide, no matter who they nominate.
And now what are the republicans going to do about?----and if the Repubs just lock in gridlock to fossilize the recent Republican failures, so much the better for the dems.
Which still means the Republicans will have to make positive things happen without a congressional majority.
Which then asks the real things that must be watched between now and 11/08. At what point will the Republicans decide to run away from GWB? And when that happens, can they then get the dems to do something foolish and thereby catch the blame for it when that foolishness backfires bigtime. And which Presidential candidates will go on record as supporting that foolishness thereby sinking their chances of winning either the party nod or the general election? Timing is everything as we keep kicking the Iraqi can down the road.
Like any other crime such as bank robbery, the thief often gets to enjoy they reward first.
And the price is only paid when they get caught and get convicted by the jury. The republirats have committed the crime by screwing the pooch, and now can they avoid being convicted by the American jury on 11/08?
I hope not. If she is - I will NOT be voting Democrat, plain and simple. A candidate that voted for the war is a candidate that will not recieve my vote.
Now if Obama actaully was the Democratic candidate, I would give him an opportunity to speak and actually figure out the details of what he plans...
At this point I'd prefer to see a Ron Paul vs Obama election - it maybe the first time I vote either Democrat or Republican, and it will definitely be the first time that I would actually want to listen to them, and attend any functions if they make local appearances without a bias for either candidate. Ron Paul seems much more distant since I believe people try to isolate him in the media, but you can't deny the attraction Obama has.
Now if Obama actaully was the Democratic candidate, I would give him an opportunity to speak and actually figure out the details of what he plans...
At this point I'd prefer to see a Ron Paul vs Obama election - it maybe the first time I vote either Democrat or Republican, and it will definitely be the first time that I would actually want to listen to them, and attend any functions if they make local appearances without a bias for either candidate. Ron Paul seems much more distant since I believe people try to isolate him in the media, but you can't deny the attraction Obama has.
Lemon law
Lifer
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Hate to tell you Magomago, the odds are you are going to get two major parties nominating candidates who either actually voted for the Iraq war or would have voted for it if they were in congress at the time. In other words, people with defective crystal balls---or better put defective judgment.
And by 11/08, we are going to have a far more complex and risky problem on the table. Namely how to get out of Iraq without having the whole mid-east melt down.
And by 11/08, we are going to have a far more complex and risky problem on the table. Namely how to get out of Iraq without having the whole mid-east melt down.
jonks
Lifer
- Feb 7, 2005
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She will win, and I think she'll win big. She's spanked the competition at each debate, most conservative pundits even agree with that. Obama I really like but in his efforts to show how much different he is from Hill, he goes too far and in the wrong direction.
Per Bruce Bartlett, conservative economist:
"A couple of months ago I came to the realization that no Republican can win the White House next year. It doesn't matter who the party nominates; the deck is stacked so heavily against it that a Democratic victory is virtually inevitable. The way I see it, the Republicans won the last two elections by the skin of their teeth against lousy candidates who ran dreadful campaigns. Next year, without the advantage of incumbency, with severe voter fatigue, an unpopular war and other factors against them, the Republicans were going to have an uphill struggle even if they had a great candidate and a unified party, neither of which are likely. On the other hand, the Democrats only have to run a half-competent campaign."
I agree with most of his analysis, but note that theres 15 months to the election and that leaves an awful lot of time for the dems to screw up. Still, election held today, Hill wins hands down. Held on Nov 08...dunno yet, but I think she still takes it pretty easily.
I hope this board is still around in 08, theres gonna be lots of crow to serve.
Per Bruce Bartlett, conservative economist:
"A couple of months ago I came to the realization that no Republican can win the White House next year. It doesn't matter who the party nominates; the deck is stacked so heavily against it that a Democratic victory is virtually inevitable. The way I see it, the Republicans won the last two elections by the skin of their teeth against lousy candidates who ran dreadful campaigns. Next year, without the advantage of incumbency, with severe voter fatigue, an unpopular war and other factors against them, the Republicans were going to have an uphill struggle even if they had a great candidate and a unified party, neither of which are likely. On the other hand, the Democrats only have to run a half-competent campaign."
I agree with most of his analysis, but note that theres 15 months to the election and that leaves an awful lot of time for the dems to screw up. Still, election held today, Hill wins hands down. Held on Nov 08...dunno yet, but I think she still takes it pretty easily.
I hope this board is still around in 08, theres gonna be lots of crow to serve.
JohnOfSheffield
Lifer
- Jun 26, 2007
- 11,925
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Considering the approval rates i'd say your next president will be Hillary Clinton.
And no, i don't think it's a great idea, all i can say for her is that at least she's not Obama.
American politics really sucks at the moment, i'm glad i don't have to vote for the poor choices of candidates you guys have.
Richard Clarke would have made an excellent president but he's not running so... i guess you'll get to go with who's less bad than the others.
And no, i don't think it's a great idea, all i can say for her is that at least she's not Obama.
American politics really sucks at the moment, i'm glad i don't have to vote for the poor choices of candidates you guys have.
Richard Clarke would have made an excellent president but he's not running so... i guess you'll get to go with who's less bad than the others.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
- Jan 6, 2005
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I would hardly call them debates...Hillary is the most polished in delivering prepared talking points, but she tends to falter a bit when facing tough questions from an aggressive opponent. The Democrat candidates are still being relatively polite to one another, but things will get more interesting once Obama or Edwards decide to go on the offensive.
Exactly, remember what happened to Dean...the scream that ended a candidate.
Well American politics as of late have become a bit unpredictable...the polls right now are all over the place...Hillary polls well with registered Democrats, but she is not currently positioned to win the key swing states...one step further, Republicans are starting to rally around Bush once again, and the Democrats have yet to leverag their Congressional takeover into voter confidence.
I don't think she will win the nomination. She doesn't have the charisma to overcome the glass ceiling imo.
I'll vote D
If it's Hill. Fine.
Obama? Wonderful.
Spot the Dawg? Works for me.
The fascist NeanderCons have no excuse for the rape of this country and our Constitution over the last 7 years. Do we need a list?
Don't want yah. Don't let the door hit yah where the good Lord split yah . . . i.e.,
Get the H*ll out. We don't want yah . . . .
If it's Hill. Fine.
Obama? Wonderful.
Spot the Dawg? Works for me.
The fascist NeanderCons have no excuse for the rape of this country and our Constitution over the last 7 years. Do we need a list?
Don't want yah. Don't let the door hit yah where the good Lord split yah . . . i.e.,
Get the H*ll out. We don't want yah . . . .
I should hope that female and African American have little to do with it.
If I were an Obama supporter and he won, I should be happy that we got a good President, not that we got an African American President.
Same with Hillary/female, Romney/Mormon, Giuliani/Italian American, McCain/old..
So far her campaign staff have been on the money.
Attacking Bush and taking pieces of her opponents campaigns for her own:
8-14-2007 White House criticizes Clinton ad
The White House on Tuesday assailed Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton for criticizing President Bush in her latest television ad, calling her statements "outrageous."
"If you're a family that is struggling and you don't have health care, you are invisible to this president," the New York senator says in the ad. "If you're a single mom trying to find affordable child care so you can go to work, you're invisible too.
The ad also argued that U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are "invisible" to Bush.
Campaigning in Dubuque, Iowa, Clinton referred to the White House criticism of her "invisible" comments.
"Apparently I've struck a nerve. The White House just attacked me a few minutes ago," Clinton said. "Not only have I said it and am saying it, I will keep saying it because I happen to believe it."
Calling herself an optimistic and modern progressive who would help the nation overcome economic disparities, Clinton said the U.S. can "grow" its economy amid global competition "and do it in a way that benefits all Americans."
Clinton said the Bush administration "is working for Americans with incomes at the very top."
"Americans work harder than anyone else in the world, yet we're not getting rewarded," she said. "We're seeing a growing gap between the haves and have-nots that threatens the backbone of our country, the middle class that built our country."
Yes, she managed to scoop up lots of the good campaign people. Their strategy with the ad seems to have been to goad the "right wing machine" into attacking her. Of course, they happily took the bait and she'll come out smelling like roses.
[Edit] Oops. In keeping on topic with the thread, this will have an ambiguous effect on the general election. Even the white house is responding to this ad...
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
- Oct 30, 2004
- 11,442
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Hillary's problem is not that she's a woman but that she's seen as a pseudo-Marxist Feminazi whom many moderates and even Democrats would not want to support.
The only reason she could win is that most people despise the Bush Administration and, by his party affiliation, the Republicans. Consequently, many people--many people who would otherwise be moderates--are going to vote against the Republicans regardless of who the candidates are.
I'm not sure whether or not I'll be able to bring myself to vote; I might have to abstain in disgust. None of the candidates are going to run on a platform of supporting the American middle and lower-middle classes -- which means fighting global labor arbitrage -- opposing mass immigration -- ending illegal immigration -- raising tariffs to combat offshoring -- ending foreign work visas.
at this point if I had to choose between hillary, edwards or the black guy
I will vote for the black guy
I will vote for the black guy
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