Does God hate homosexuality?

[MustangSVT]

god doesnt exist. if it does, not the form that humans think of.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Looking at the ten commandments , don't see it listed.

Though most people quote leviticus 20:13 when saying it is wrong.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

But what they don't get is what most people do not get. They read one phrase and think that it means God hates gay people. You have to take anything written in the bible in context for the time it was written.

It was a sin then because for a man to be with another man that man would become feminine in their eyes. Men were supposed to be masculine, be the Man of the house so to speak. And to take on the role of a woman in any way was a disgrace. It wasn't God that said that verse , it was priest in a community of people that said the man was above women, and had to be masculine.

This thread is confusing. First there might be more than one god and now we're not supposed to necessarily believe every word in the christian bible. Is there a cheat-sheet describing what we're supposed to believe and what we're just supposed to give lip service to?

There are so many people around declaring to know what god or jesus or a disciple/apostle really meant. Why don't they just replace the bible with what it really meant instead of allowing for the continued misinterpretation?

Like anything that is written it is open to interpretation. How many great books have been written that are discussed over and over about what the author was really trying to say ?

The thing to remember is that nobody speaks for God, but God. Whenever a preacher says "And God is saying here" or "The bible says that God want us to do this" , nobody should just accept that it is fact. You should read it yourself and make up your own mind. The problem is people cling to the past where when a priest said something it was law and nobody could challenge it. Only the priest were divine enough to understand the bible.

If you always look to others to tell you what you should believe you will always feel lost.

I doubt many people posting here have read the bible. It is a great book and when taken into context makes a lot of sense.

Read it many times. It "makes sense" if you Assume it makes sense.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
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Like anything that is written it is open to interpretation. How many great books have been written that are discussed over and over about what the author was really trying to say?

It's not like any other book. No other has been as dissected or caused so much strife and pain and death. No other book that, I'm aware of, has been assigned references down to the sentence. No other book, unless labeled as fiction or for children, has so many unprovable claims. No other book has so many different interpretations or very different versions of which each has followers prepared to die in its defense.

The thing to remember is that nobody speaks for God, but God. Whenever a preacher says "And God is saying here" or "The bible says that God want us to do this" , nobody should just accept that it is fact. You should read it yourself and make up your own mind. The problem is people cling to the past where when a priest said something it was law and nobody could challenge it. Only the priest were divine enough to understand the bible.

Can't comment on this without flames.

If you always look to others to tell you what you should believe you will always feel lost.

Isn't this the main reason people are attracted to religion and attend church, etc.? In the south, there is a tv 'ministry' that still tells people when a woman should be allowed to speak. An extreme, and yet, it exists. I watched an hour long fireside chat where preacher bob answered letters from uncertain believers on this issue.

I doubt many people posting here have read the bible. It is a great book and when taken into context makes a lot of sense.

I have read all of the old testament and a lot of the new. I took a public high school course many moons ago which examined the old. I don't remember which version was used. The teacher made it very interesting. It was presented historically with no attempt at religious judgment. I don't remember much now except that it seemed pretty risqué (a plus for a high school student) and exceedingly violent.

Can't find the references, but eating pork was a big no-no long ago. Turns out that pigs are dirty animals who if not carefully raised can become diseased. Now, pork can be eaten safely. Is this what you mean by context?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Eli
How many Gods are there?

How do I know I've picked the right one?!

/head asplodes

Zero

/thread

Kinda my point. Each deity says they're the one and all others are false.

/chuckle

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
I think the best part of the bible and scriptures and all that crap are the parts that say slavery is OK.

No, i don't agree with this.

What parts? It describes indebted servantude... entirely different.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He hates the sin, which is homosexuality, but does not hate the homos as they are still his people and he loves us all regardless of being sinners.

So how come there are protests by certain religious groups? What is their motivation?

Depends on the group. Those fringe groups that hold the signs saying "God hates fags" speak only for themselves and are totally opposite God's word in the Bible. They do incalculable harm for the cause of Christ. I guess their motivation is to be sensational and follow the will of their misguided leader instead of looking into the Bible and finding out how God really feels.

Godly Christians are out to protest any attempt to normalize or legitimize homosexuality in society. Like the joke that is homo "marriage." As if two men or women can actually form the basis for a family. Any unfortunate kids they raise will have no idea how to relate to the opposite sex nor know how they should function as a father/mother when the time comes. The goal is to avoid any societal sanction of such folly.

It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it.

fail. You don't even Know what "Natural" is, obviously. It is merely assumed to match your World View. However, it simply does not match.

I meant 'natural' as in employing the sex organs for the function that nature intended, sexual reproduction. Obviously male and female organs are designed for coupling in the act of procreation, also a cell from each is necessary for reproduction. Same-sex sexing fails at babby forming, you may have noticed.

If you are thinking of 'natural' in the sense of man indulging his sinful nature by indiscriminate pursuit of sensory stimuli, then yes sodomy would be 'natural' in that sense.

it doesn't matter what you meant. Everything you have spoken runs counter to all of the evidence. In FACT, it has been shown many times that children raised by same-sex couples are on average, at least as stable, educated, and successful as those raised by straight couples. in FACT, children born to and/or raised by same sex couples have no higher chance of being homosexual than those raised or born to straight couples.

This is what all of the studies have shown, anyway.

So you really don't know wtf you're talking about. And many of these studies have been posted and linked in these forums repeatedly. I'm not gonna do for you what you have clearly failed to do for yourself (educate).

There are variable metrics for measuring successful child rearing. Some more meaningful than others.

Also, The studies DO reveal differences in children of gays vs. straights. It's just researchers fear politicization and skew interpretations of data to cancel out any ammo that might be used to attack the researcher's personal convictions. Data collected simply doesn't match report claims in many cases. Don't put too much faith in them. Seriously. Must be hard when the facts don't support you and you resort to lies. We need academicians who aren't afraid to handle the truth, no matter how unpopular.

wtf? You're delusional. Seriously.

You've invested in this circular logic that your anti gay stance is infallible and factual, but the contrary scientific evidence is bunk because of some gay agenda bullshit.

You ever see the movie idiocracy, where that little robot vacuum cleaner keeps cleaning the same tiny patch floor, continuously bumping into the wall directly in front of it saying "your flloor is now clean"? That's your sense of logic.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I apologize -- I haven't read the responses in the thread but I can answer the question in the topic.

God hates anything that holds human in bondage in some way shape or form. He hates all sin - homosexuality is a sin just like lying, stealing, cheating, killing (<-All of these no matter how big or small are still sin).

HOWEVER - God does not hate sinful people. He has unending, never changing, unfailing love for each and every person regardless of how we sin. It is through Christ's sacrifice that we are made perfect - that a gift that, when received, cannot be taken away.

-Kevin

Only it isnt a sin.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
God hates anything that holds human in bondage in some way shape or form. He hates all sin - homosexuality is a sin just like lying, stealing, cheating, killing (<-All of these no matter how big or small are still sin).

It's a lie for you to claim to know God in this way. At best you can claim that as far as your beliefs and religious indoctrination go, you think this and read that.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: RoloMather
Does He hate homosexuality?

Yet he loves the homosexuals?

How come certain religious people and groups don't like gays? Certainly these people and groups do exist.

I'm confused as to why there isn't a uniform standard when the Bible haven't changed in a long time.

I'm not going to read this thread but I will answer your question to the best of my ability.

God hates all sin but loves us sinners. There has only been one person who walked this earth who did not sin, but He got the most joy when the worst sinners came to Him.

The religious groups don't represent God's will, the represent their own. The bible tells me not to just other or else I will be judged.

There is a uniform standard. The standard is to simply love everyone equally and not pass judgment on them. Too many people who claim to be Christian ignore Jesus' most important command; to love God and to love our neighbors.

Its not my job to judge other people's actions. They will be judged at the Day of Judgment just like me. If you want to take it up the pooper, that's your choice. That has never been a sin I have been tempted with. But then again, I am willing to be that gay guys don't lust over other Christians wives and girlfriends like I do.

Once again...we are all sinners. Judge not lest you be judged.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: NSFW
If you want to take it up the pooper, that's your choice. That has never been a sin I have been tempted with.

Why is it a sin though? Is it also a sin to have anal sex with a woman? How about phone/video sex? What about toe licking?

What about getting turned on by your wife wearing a bathing suit? Having sex with a condom or while on birth control? Sex between people when one is not able to produce children?

I don't consider any of these things to be sins, and also think that if one is a sin, they are all sins.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: NSFW
If you want to take it up the pooper, that's your choice. That has never been a sin I have been tempted with.

Why is it a sin though? Is it also a sin to have anal sex with a woman? How about phone/video sex? What about toe licking?

What about getting turned on by your wife wearing a bathing suit? Having sex with a condom or while on birth control? Sex between people when one is not able to produce children?

I don't consider any of these things to be sins, and also think that if one is a sin, they are all sins.

sexual immorality is a sin. The Old Testament was pretty clear on what was meant by that. The new testament doesn't give as clear of directions though. It just says that us Gentiles should stay away from sexual immorality. Basically it comes down to what God tells you is right and wrong.

Once again...its not my place to set rules or expectations for others, especially in the bedroom. That is between them and God.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: sandorski


Read it many times. It "makes sense" if you Assume it makes sense.

There are many stories in the bible that can be applied to daily life. That is what I meant by it makes sense.

 

[Platypus]

I expected more effort in the trolling in this thread.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Modelworks
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Like anything that is written it is open to interpretation. How many great books have been written that are discussed over and over about what the author was really trying to say?

It's not like any other book. No other has been as dissected or caused so much strife and pain and death. No other book that, I'm aware of, has been assigned references down to the sentence. No other book, unless labeled as fiction or for children, has so many unprovable claims. No other book has so many different interpretations or very different versions of which each has followers prepared to die in its defense.

It is like any other book in that it is open to interpretation.

If you always look to others to tell you what you should believe you will always feel lost.

Isn't this the main reason people are attracted to religion and attend church, etc.? In the south, there is a tv 'ministry' that still tells people when a woman should be allowed to speak. An extreme, and yet, it exists. I watched an hour long fireside chat where preacher bob answered letters from uncertain believers on this issue.

It is the reason that some are drawn to religion. They want answers and someone to explain why their life isn't the way they want it to be . Just because some do things in the name of religion does not make religion a bad thing. It shows that corrupt people will use anything they can to take advantage of others whether it be religion or politics.

Can't find the references, but eating pork was a big no-no long ago. Turns out that pigs are dirty animals who if not carefully raised can become diseased. Now, pork can be eaten safely. Is this what you mean by context?

Pork is a good example. They didn't eat it then and one of the reasons why may have been because of disease. That doesn't mean that God said "don't eat pork ever", it just means the people of the time probably found out it wasn't safe at the time.

When you look at something that the bible says is wrong you can't just pull out that one sentence and declare God is saying it is wrong. Instead you have to read all the passages around it and consider the state of mind of people for the time it was written.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: NSFW
If you want to take it up the pooper, that's your choice. That has never been a sin I have been tempted with.

Why is it a sin though? Is it also a sin to have anal sex with a woman?

it is.

at least from the catholic perspective, it all falls under the umbrella of sex = procreation. any sex done for purposes other than making babies is a sin, iirc.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: NSFW
If you want to take it up the pooper, that's your choice. That has never been a sin I have been tempted with.

Why is it a sin though? Is it also a sin to have anal sex with a woman?

it is.

at least from the catholic perspective, it all falls under the umbrella of sex = procreation. any sex done for purposes other than making babies is a sin, iirc.

"Mr Blackitt: That's what being a Protestant's all about. That's
why it's the church for me. That's why it's the church for
anyone who respects the individual and the individual's right
to decide for him or herself. When Martin Luther nailed his
protest up to the church door in 1517, he may not have
realised the full significance of what he was doing. But four
hundred years later, thanks to him, my dear, I can wear
whatever I want on my John Thomas. And Protestantism doesn't
stop at the simple condom. Oh no! I can wear French Ticklers
if I want."

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: NSFW
If you want to take it up the pooper, that's your choice. That has never been a sin I have been tempted with.

Why is it a sin though? Is it also a sin to have anal sex with a woman?

it is.

at least from the catholic perspective, it all falls under the umbrella of sex = procreation. any sex done for purposes other than making babies is a sin, iirc.

I don't know that I have read anything like that. I'm not Catholic - is it in the one of the books of the apocrypha?

-Kevin

 

[IGBT]

you can always do what bill clinton did when he got caught. reinvent your self and pretend the past won't catch up with you. surround your self with like minded accomplices who are so egar to be part of the group they will betray nature.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: IGBT
you can always do what bill clinton did when he got caught. reinvent your self and pretend the past won't catch up with you. surround your self with like minded accomplices who are so egar to be part of the group they will betray nature.

Obsess much?

You know there are support groups out there for this sort of thing...

 

[Pliablemoose]

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

Everyone forgets Leviticus

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

Everyone forgets Leviticus

Perhaps they forget Leviticus for a reason:

And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have?from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. 45 Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property. 46 And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves. But regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it is.

at least from the catholic perspective, it all falls under the umbrella of sex = procreation. any sex done for purposes other than making babies is a sin, iirc.

So is sex after menopause a no-no also? How about all those other things I mentioned?

I guess once you find out you're pregnant you should stop having sex until the baby pops out then too!

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

Everyone forgets Leviticus

So as long as you don't spoon afterwards you're good?

Also, LOL at Leviticus in that it's alright to indenture generations of people but not okay to get your rocks off with another dude.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I think the bigger question here is do the homos hate god? I think they're planning to take over and kill god personally...pretty soon, we'll all be ruled by teh gays.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

Everyone forgets Leviticus

So as long as you don't spoon afterwards you're good?

Also, LOL at Leviticus in that it's alright to indenture generations of people but not okay to get your rocks off with another dude.

For the record, I don't consider myself a Christian, nor do I condone using anything in the bible to justify anything else.