Does God hate homosexuality?

[moshquerade]

So when is the Politics and Religion Forum going to be up and running? : /

 

[RoloMather]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He hates the sin, which is homosexuality, but does not hate the homos as they are still his people and he loves us all regardless of being sinners.

So how come there are protests by certain religious groups? What is their motivation?

Depends on the group. Those fringe groups that hold the signs saying "God hates fags" speak only for themselves and are totally opposite God's word in the Bible. They do incalculable harm for the cause of Christ. I guess their motivation is to be sensational and follow the will of their misguided leader instead of looking into the Bible and finding out how God really feels.

Godly Christians are out to protest any attempt to normalize or legitimize homosexuality in society. Like the joke that is homo "marriage." As if two men or women can actually form the basis for a family. Any unfortunate kids they raise will have no idea how to relate to the opposite sex nor know how they should function as a father/mother when the time comes. The goal is to avoid any societal sanction of such folly.

It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it.

Aren't the protesters trying to fight against the normalization process? They are seeing how homosexuality is being normalized in America, therefore they protest vehemently. I'm sure they are seeing the push for gay marriages in America as an attack on society.

 

[Miramonti]

Many people have hated homosexuality over the history of modern man, and wrote about it, and those writings were included in what many consider 'god's book'. People love to 'play god' and judge other's, and this inclusion into the bible gives these judgemental people a convenient way to consider themselves better than those who like the same sex. It's not about 'other's sin' as much as one's one sin of needing to judge and be better than others.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

I think the best part of the bible and scriptures and all that crap are the parts that say slavery is OK.

No, i don't agree with this.

 

[Eli]

How many Gods are there?

How do I know I've picked the right one?!

/head asplodes

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Eli
How many Gods are there?

How do I know I've picked the right one?!

/head asplodes

Zero

/thread

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He hates the sin, which is homosexuality, but does not hate the homos as they are still his people and he loves us all regardless of being sinners.

So how come there are protests by certain religious groups? What is their motivation?

Depends on the group. Those fringe groups that hold the signs saying "God hates fags" speak only for themselves and are totally opposite God's word in the Bible. They do incalculable harm for the cause of Christ. I guess their motivation is to be sensational and follow the will of their misguided leader instead of looking into the Bible and finding out how God really feels.

Godly Christians are out to protest any attempt to normalize or legitimize homosexuality in society. Like the joke that is homo "marriage." As if two men or women can actually form the basis for a family. Any unfortunate kids they raise will have no idea how to relate to the opposite sex nor know how they should function as a father/mother when the time comes. The goal is to avoid any societal sanction of such folly.

It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it.

fail. You don't even Know what "Natural" is, obviously. It is merely assumed to match your World View. However, it simply does not match.

I meant 'natural' as in employing the sex organs for the function that nature intended, sexual reproduction. Obviously male and female organs are designed for coupling in the act of procreation, also a cell from each is necessary for reproduction. Same-sex sexing fails at babby forming, you may have noticed.

If you are thinking of 'natural' in the sense of man indulging his sinful nature by indiscriminate pursuit of sensory stimuli, then yes sodomy would be 'natural' in that sense.

 

[Modelworks]

Looking at the ten commandments , don't see it listed.

Though most people quote leviticus 20:13 when saying it is wrong.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

But what they don't get is what most people do not get. They read one phrase and think that it means God hates gay people. You have to take anything written in the bible in context for the time it was written.

It was a sin then because for a man to be with another man that man would become feminine in their eyes. Men were supposed to be masculine, be the Man of the house so to speak. And to take on the role of a woman in any way was a disgrace. It wasn't God that said that verse , it was priest in a community of people that said the man was above women, and had to be masculine.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He hates the sin, which is homosexuality, but does not hate the homos as they are still his people and he loves us all regardless of being sinners.

So how come there are protests by certain religious groups? What is their motivation?

Depends on the group. Those fringe groups that hold the signs saying "God hates fags" speak only for themselves and are totally opposite God's word in the Bible. They do incalculable harm for the cause of Christ. I guess their motivation is to be sensational and follow the will of their misguided leader instead of looking into the Bible and finding out how God really feels.

Godly Christians are out to protest any attempt to normalize or legitimize homosexuality in society. Like the joke that is homo "marriage." As if two men or women can actually form the basis for a family. Any unfortunate kids they raise will have no idea how to relate to the opposite sex nor know how they should function as a father/mother when the time comes. The goal is to avoid any societal sanction of such folly.

It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it.

fail. You don't even Know what "Natural" is, obviously. It is merely assumed to match your World View. However, it simply does not match.

I meant 'natural' as in employing the sex organs for the function that nature intended, sexual reproduction. Obviously male and female organs are designed for coupling in the act of procreation, also a cell from each is necessary for reproduction. Same-sex sexing fails at babby forming, you may have noticed.

If you are thinking of 'natural' in the sense of man indulging his sinful nature by indiscriminate pursuit of sensory stimuli, then yes sodomy would be 'natural' in that sense.

it doesn't matter what you meant. Everything you have spoken runs counter to all of the evidence. In FACT, it has been shown many times that children raised by same-sex couples are on average, at least as stable, educated, and successful as those raised by straight couples. in FACT, children born to and/or raised by same sex couples have no higher chance of being homosexual than those raised or born to straight couples.

This is what all of the studies have shown, anyway.

So you really don't know wtf you're talking about. And many of these studies have been posted and linked in these forums repeatedly. I'm not gonna do for you what you have clearly failed to do for yourself (educate).

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Looking at the ten commandments , don't see it listed.

Though most people quote leviticus 20:13 when saying it is wrong.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

yup. But that ain't Jesus.

Fail.


OT god was a spiteful, vindictive bastard; everyone knows this. Jesus turned it around, or so he spoke about doing. The brainless power-grubbing fools that followed him perverted and abused everything he taught. Many call themselves Christians, and many of them are wrong.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
NO. Jesus was totally gay.

whether or not you agree with that, you can read everything Jesus is ever reputed to say, in any version of the bible, and Jesus never hates on homosexuals. the only person that does is Paul.

Paul never knew Jesus. Paul isn't a real apostle (b/c Jesus was dead long before Paul even became a "Christian.") The biggest bigot of the Bible is further from Jesus than even a guy like Dawkins.

According to you? Please. If we can all come to know Jesus through scripture and witness, how can you say "Paul never knew Jesus"? Paul was the greatest apostle of them all. Without him the Church wouldnt have spread as far and wide as quickly as it did. Only a "psycho whackjob" would think otherwise. And to insult Saint Paul during the year proclaimed by Pope Benedict as "The Year of Saint Paul" is sad. 🙁

Im curious, are you atheist?

 

[nageov3t]

depends on the sect.

the official catholic line is that it's not homosexuality that's the sin but homosexual acts.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He hates the sin, which is homosexuality, but does not hate the homos as they are still his people and he loves us all regardless of being sinners.

So how come there are protests by certain religious groups? What is their motivation?

Depends on the group. Those fringe groups that hold the signs saying "God hates fags" speak only for themselves and are totally opposite God's word in the Bible. They do incalculable harm for the cause of Christ. I guess their motivation is to be sensational and follow the will of their misguided leader instead of looking into the Bible and finding out how God really feels.

Godly Christians are out to protest any attempt to normalize or legitimize homosexuality in society. Like the joke that is homo "marriage." As if two men or women can actually form the basis for a family. Any unfortunate kids they raise will have no idea how to relate to the opposite sex nor know how they should function as a father/mother when the time comes. The goal is to avoid any societal sanction of such folly.

It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it.

fail. You don't even Know what "Natural" is, obviously. It is merely assumed to match your World View. However, it simply does not match.

I meant 'natural' as in employing the sex organs for the function that nature intended, sexual reproduction. Obviously male and female organs are designed for coupling in the act of procreation, also a cell from each is necessary for reproduction. Same-sex sexing fails at babby forming, you may have noticed.

If you are thinking of 'natural' in the sense of man indulging his sinful nature by indiscriminate pursuit of sensory stimuli, then yes sodomy would be 'natural' in that sense.

"Natural" in the sense it occurs in "Nature", you know, "Naturally". You assume what the Sexual Organs were intended to be by Nature. "Nature" is not a consciousness, it is merely what happens in the Natural Universe.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: zinfamous
NO. Jesus was totally gay.

whether or not you agree with that, you can read everything Jesus is ever reputed to say, in any version of the bible, and Jesus never hates on homosexuals. the only person that does is Paul.

Paul never knew Jesus. Paul isn't a real apostle (b/c Jesus was dead long before Paul even became a "Christian.") The biggest bigot of the Bible is further from Jesus than even a guy like Dawkins.

According to you? Please. If we can all come to know Jesus through scripture and witness, how can you say "Paul never knew Jesus"? Paul was the greatest apostle of them all. Without him the Church wouldnt have spread as far and wide as quickly as it did. Only a "psycho whackjob" would think otherwise. And to insult Saint Paul during the year proclaimed by Pope Benedict as "The Year of Saint Paul" is sad. 🙁

Im curious, are you atheist?

Jesus was dead. He is correct, Paul never knew him.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He hates the sin, which is homosexuality, but does not hate the homos as they are still his people and he loves us all regardless of being sinners.

So how come there are protests by certain religious groups? What is their motivation?

Depends on the group. Those fringe groups that hold the signs saying "God hates fags" speak only for themselves and are totally opposite God's word in the Bible. They do incalculable harm for the cause of Christ. I guess their motivation is to be sensational and follow the will of their misguided leader instead of looking into the Bible and finding out how God really feels.

Godly Christians are out to protest any attempt to normalize or legitimize homosexuality in society. Like the joke that is homo "marriage." As if two men or women can actually form the basis for a family. Any unfortunate kids they raise will have no idea how to relate to the opposite sex nor know how they should function as a father/mother when the time comes. The goal is to avoid any societal sanction of such folly.

It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it.

Aren't the protesters trying to fight against the normalization process? They are seeing how homosexuality is being normalized in America, therefore they protest vehemently. I'm sure they are seeing the push for gay marriages in America as an attack on society.

I would imagine so, to a degree. Though they'd be more effective if they weren't a-holes about it. You know, doing stuff like picketing a gay dude's funeral spewing personal attacks. That stuff won't win any hearts and minds. Thankfully those types are scarce. I get the sense that they are in fact weak Christians who the devil has led astray with false doctrines for the purpose of whipping up anti-Christian sentiment. Makes sense anyway.

Christians just want the fundamentals of human society to remain intact. Mess with the proven basic foundations like marriage and family and you spawn a whole host of social ills that'll make everyone miserable. If everyone sought good over pleasure, we'd be a happy shiny people holding hands. No doubt. 🙂

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: Eli
How many Gods are there?

How do I know I've picked the right one?!

/head asplodes

Search out his promises and predictions. If they came true in the past and in your own experience as well, you've hit a jackpot.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Looking at the ten commandments , don't see it listed.

Though most people quote leviticus 20:13 when saying it is wrong.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

But what they don't get is what most people do not get. They read one phrase and think that it means God hates gay people. You have to take anything written in the bible in context for the time it was written.

It was a sin then because for a man to be with another man that man would become feminine in their eyes. Men were supposed to be masculine, be the Man of the house so to speak. And to take on the role of a woman in any way was a disgrace. It wasn't God that said that verse , it was priest in a community of people that said the man was above women, and had to be masculine.

This thread is confusing. First there might be more than one god and now we're not supposed to necessarily believe every word in the christian bible. Is there a cheat-sheet describing what we're supposed to believe and what we're just supposed to give lip service to?

There are so many people around declaring to know what god or jesus or a disciple/apostle really meant. Why don't they just replace the bible with what it really meant instead of allowing for the continued misinterpretation?

 

[Away]

God hates trolls

 

[Modular]

Originally posted by: Away
God hates trolls

This. This whole thread is a joke.

Anyway, the reality is that God doesn't hate gays. I mean, seriously? How big of a troll-thread can this be?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: Away
God hates trolls

This. This whole thread is a joke.

Anyway, the reality is that God doesn't hate gays. I mean, seriously? How big of a troll-thread can this be?

How do you know this? Remember, a reason based on logic is not allowed.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: RoloMather

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He hates the sin, which is homosexuality, but does not hate the homos as they are still his people and he loves us all regardless of being sinners.

So how come there are protests by certain religious groups? What is their motivation?

Depends on the group. Those fringe groups that hold the signs saying "God hates fags" speak only for themselves and are totally opposite God's word in the Bible. They do incalculable harm for the cause of Christ. I guess their motivation is to be sensational and follow the will of their misguided leader instead of looking into the Bible and finding out how God really feels.

Godly Christians are out to protest any attempt to normalize or legitimize homosexuality in society. Like the joke that is homo "marriage." As if two men or women can actually form the basis for a family. Any unfortunate kids they raise will have no idea how to relate to the opposite sex nor know how they should function as a father/mother when the time comes. The goal is to avoid any societal sanction of such folly.

It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it.

fail. You don't even Know what "Natural" is, obviously. It is merely assumed to match your World View. However, it simply does not match.

I meant 'natural' as in employing the sex organs for the function that nature intended, sexual reproduction. Obviously male and female organs are designed for coupling in the act of procreation, also a cell from each is necessary for reproduction. Same-sex sexing fails at babby forming, you may have noticed.

If you are thinking of 'natural' in the sense of man indulging his sinful nature by indiscriminate pursuit of sensory stimuli, then yes sodomy would be 'natural' in that sense.

it doesn't matter what you meant. Everything you have spoken runs counter to all of the evidence. In FACT, it has been shown many times that children raised by same-sex couples are on average, at least as stable, educated, and successful as those raised by straight couples. in FACT, children born to and/or raised by same sex couples have no higher chance of being homosexual than those raised or born to straight couples.

This is what all of the studies have shown, anyway.

So you really don't know wtf you're talking about. And many of these studies have been posted and linked in these forums repeatedly. I'm not gonna do for you what you have clearly failed to do for yourself (educate).

There are variable metrics for measuring successful child rearing. Some more meaningful than others.

Also, The studies DO reveal differences in children of gays vs. straights. It's just researchers fear politicization and skew interpretations of data to cancel out any ammo that might be used to attack the researcher's personal convictions. Data collected simply doesn't match report claims in many cases. Don't put too much faith in them. Seriously. Must be hard when the facts don't support you and you resort to lies. We need academicians who aren't afraid to handle the truth, no matter how unpopular.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it

You're right, we need a revolution to get back to the properly functioning family. After we get rid of gay marriage, we can work on getting women back in the home.

Don't worry though, if you ask him god will forgive your hateful ways.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
It's not merely clinging to tradition. It's about functional versus dysfunctional, natural versus unnatural, compatible versus incompatible, authentic versus a sham, and right versus wrong. Men and women were designed for each other. Learn it, live it, love it

You're right, we need a revolution to get back to the properly functioning family. After we get rid of gay marriage, we can work on getting women back in the home.

Don't worry though, if you ask him god will forgive your hateful ways.

I do not think he will take that as sarcasm.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Looking at the ten commandments , don't see it listed.

Though most people quote leviticus 20:13 when saying it is wrong.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

But what they don't get is what most people do not get. They read one phrase and think that it means God hates gay people. You have to take anything written in the bible in context for the time it was written.

It was a sin then because for a man to be with another man that man would become feminine in their eyes. Men were supposed to be masculine, be the Man of the house so to speak. And to take on the role of a woman in any way was a disgrace. It wasn't God that said that verse , it was priest in a community of people that said the man was above women, and had to be masculine.

This thread is confusing. First there might be more than one god and now we're not supposed to necessarily believe every word in the christian bible. Is there a cheat-sheet describing what we're supposed to believe and what we're just supposed to give lip service to?

There are so many people around declaring to know what god or jesus or a disciple/apostle really meant. Why don't they just replace the bible with what it really meant instead of allowing for the continued misinterpretation?

Like anything that is written it is open to interpretation. How many great books have been written that are discussed over and over about what the author was really trying to say ?

The thing to remember is that nobody speaks for God, but God. Whenever a preacher says "And God is saying here" or "The bible says that God want us to do this" , nobody should just accept that it is fact. You should read it yourself and make up your own mind. The problem is people cling to the past where when a priest said something it was law and nobody could challenge it. Only the priest were divine enough to understand the bible.

If you always look to others to tell you what you should believe you will always feel lost.

I doubt many people posting here have read the bible. It is a great book and when taken into context makes a lot of sense.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I apologize -- I haven't read the responses in the thread but I can answer the question in the topic.

God hates anything that holds human in bondage in some way shape or form. He hates all sin - homosexuality is a sin just like lying, stealing, cheating, killing (<-All of these no matter how big or small are still sin).

HOWEVER - God does not hate sinful people. He has unending, never changing, unfailing love for each and every person regardless of how we sin. It is through Christ's sacrifice that we are made perfect - that a gift that, when received, cannot be taken away.

-Kevin