Does Body Modification Hinder Professionals?

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: NeoV
"quite a few bits of steel in my ears" - no problems whatsoever

"quite a few bits of steel in my face" - next candidate, thanks for stopping by

Rationale?

Have to be presentable. I am sorry but having pieces of metal sticking out of your head is not presentable.

But I guess it depends on the business also.

I know where I work it would never fly.

Presentability is the sole issue. Professionals frequently work with the public or with individuals with other companies and, in such capacity, they represent the company. Visible tatoos and face piercings are the business equivalent of wearing unpressed clothes or having bad/missing teeth. It looks bad.

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
job performance is number one....if the employer is a idiot then his loss. He is creating his own barrier to success.

you know, you do not have to work for a corporation, plenty of good buisnesses out there that do not stereotype and have a judgemental power trip.

Body modification hinders job performance. Customers frequently find it objectionable and unprofessional, and take their business elsewhere.

It's an odd upside-down world you live in, rot. IMO, "sheep" is multilating your body because everyone else is doing it. "Look at me, I'm cool, I have defaced myself." That's what your sh!t is, no offense. It's not individualism, that's for sure.

FYI, I don't work for a "corporation." We have ~120 employees.

lol sucks to work where you do. what a awful discrimitory mindset...if I had a client that said that I would and have told him to take a hike.

It is all in how you choose to work and who you surround yourself with.

I am sure your little world is protected by other discrimitory folks so keep living it ok?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Vic

Body modification hinders job performance. Customers frequently find it objectionable and unprofessional, and take their business elsewhere.

Like I said, some people don't deal with the customers at all. How does modification "hinder job performance?"

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: NeoV
"quite a few bits of steel in my ears" - no problems whatsoever

"quite a few bits of steel in my face" - next candidate, thanks for stopping by

Rationale?

Have to be presentable. I am sorry but having pieces of metal sticking out of your head is not presentable.

But I guess it depends on the business also.

I know where I work it would never fly.

Presentability is the sole issue. Professionals frequently work with the public or with individuals with other companies and, in such capacity, they represent the company. Visible tatoos and face piercings are the business equivalent of wearing unpressed clothes or having bad/missing teeth. It looks bad.

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
job performance is number one....if the employer is a idiot then his loss. He is creating his own barrier to success.

you know, you do not have to work for a corporation, plenty of good buisnesses out there that do not stereotype and have a judgemental power trip.

Body modification hinders job performance. Customers frequently find it objectionable and unprofessional, and take their business elsewhere.

It's an odd upside-down world you live in, rot. IMO, "sheep" is multilating your body because everyone else is doing it. "Look at me, I'm cool, I have defaced myself." That's what your sh!t is, no offense. It's not individualism, that's for sure.

FYI, I don't work for a "corporation." We have ~120 employees.

lol sucks to work where you do. what a awful discrimitory mindset...if I had a client that said that I would and have told him to take a hike.

It is all in how you choose to work and who you surround yourself with.

I am sure your little world is protected by other discrimitory folks so keep living it ok?

You own your business?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: NeoV
"quite a few bits of steel in my ears" - no problems whatsoever

"quite a few bits of steel in my face" - next candidate, thanks for stopping by

Rationale?

Have to be presentable. I am sorry but having pieces of metal sticking out of your head is not presentable.

But I guess it depends on the business also.

I know where I work it would never fly.

Presentability is the sole issue. Professionals frequently work with the public or with individuals with other companies and, in such capacity, they represent the company. Visible tatoos and face piercings are the business equivalent of wearing unpressed clothes or having bad/missing teeth. It looks bad.

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
job performance is number one....if the employer is a idiot then his loss. He is creating his own barrier to success.

you know, you do not have to work for a corporation, plenty of good buisnesses out there that do not stereotype and have a judgemental power trip.

Body modification hinders job performance. Customers frequently find it objectionable and unprofessional, and take their business elsewhere.

It's an odd upside-down world you live in, rot. IMO, "sheep" is multilating your body because everyone else is doing it. "Look at me, I'm cool, I have defaced myself." That's what your sh!t is, no offense. It's not individualism, that's for sure.

FYI, I don't work for a "corporation." We have ~120 employees.

lol sucks to work where you do. what a awful discrimitory mindset...if I had a client that said that I would and have told him to take a hike.

It is all in how you choose to work and who you surround yourself with.

I am sure your little world is protected by other discrimitory folks so keep living it ok?

You own your business?

Matter of fact I do at times, and I do not deal with buisnesses like that. Nor would I work for one. Like I said life is too short to deal with judgemental people.

Just let them have their little whitebread fantasyworld and keep your distance imo.

Giving into these people is giving them power..best to take your buisness and employment elsewhere.

I have always been the type that stops traffic when I walk around in the day and I have never had a problem getting a cool job if I look hard enough, on the edges of society there are millions who have made their own way fed up with the supidity, stick with these "peoples" and you are set.

Wander into the farce that is "normal" america (don't make me laugh) and expect to be an outcast.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: NeoV
"quite a few bits of steel in my ears" - no problems whatsoever

"quite a few bits of steel in my face" - next candidate, thanks for stopping by

Rationale?

Have to be presentable. I am sorry but having pieces of metal sticking out of your head is not presentable.

But I guess it depends on the business also.

I know where I work it would never fly.

Presentability is the sole issue. Professionals frequently work with the public or with individuals with other companies and, in such capacity, they represent the company. Visible tatoos and face piercings are the business equivalent of wearing unpressed clothes or having bad/missing teeth. It looks bad.

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
job performance is number one....if the employer is a idiot then his loss. He is creating his own barrier to success.

you know, you do not have to work for a corporation, plenty of good buisnesses out there that do not stereotype and have a judgemental power trip.

Body modification hinders job performance. Customers frequently find it objectionable and unprofessional, and take their business elsewhere.

It's an odd upside-down world you live in, rot. IMO, "sheep" is multilating your body because everyone else is doing it. "Look at me, I'm cool, I have defaced myself." That's what your sh!t is, no offense. It's not individualism, that's for sure.

FYI, I don't work for a "corporation." We have ~120 employees.

lol sucks to work where you do. what a awful discrimitory mindset...if I had a client that said that I would and have told him to take a hike.

It is all in how you choose to work and who you surround yourself with.

I am sure your little world is protected by other discrimitory folks so keep living it ok?

You own your business?

Matter of fact I do at times, and I do not deal with buisnesses like that. Nor would I work for one. Like I said life is too short to deal with judgemental people.

Just let them have their little whitebread fantasyworld and keep your distance imo.

Giving into these people is giving them power..best to take your buisness and employment elsewhere.

I have always been the type that stops traffic when I walk around in the day and I have never had a problem getting a cool job if I look hard enough, on the edges of society there are millions who have made their own way fed up with the supidity, stick with the "peoples" and you are set.

You do "at times"?

Define what that means.

 

[Steeplerot]

I just moved, I am setting up shop in NYC still having only been here a few weeks.

Nonetheless things are looking great as I have aligned myself with the biggest festival of music style I am into in the world here.

So things will grow fast as their is a great base of cool people here. My girlfirend is now a REAL DJ spinning for thousands this week here in NYC also, very, very proud of her.

The fire in our apartment building in san fran only slowed us down a bit...but at least it motivated us to make a huge city upgrade we have planned for ages.

We shall try this for a year or so, then the winds of music may blow us to europe for a few years...maybe south america, chile actually has a great music scene right now.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
lol sucks to work where you do. what a awful discrimitory mindset...if I had a client that said that I would and have told him to take a hike.

It is all in how you choose to work and who you surround yourself with.

I am sure your little world is protected by other discrimitory folks so keep living it ok?

How is it discriminatory? You weren't born that way.

And yes, I do choose who I work with and surround myself with. And I choose not to surround myself with people who have the obvious insecurity issues that are involved with body mutilation.

As to your comments, I'm about as far from "whitebread" as one can be and not be black. Listen carefully, individualism is within the power of the mind. Tattoos and piercings are symbols of conformity (in this case, to your own group, if not to greater society as a whole). Some people mistake conforming to a smaller outcast group (i.e. your own "little world") as being individualistic. 'Taint so. All you're doing is marking yourself as part of some little tribe. That that little tribe does not conform to the standards of greater society does not make your body modifications any less conformist.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Like I said, some people don't deal with the customers at all. How does modification "hinder job performance?"

In that case, it doesn't. However, people aren't born with bull rings through their noses. If a company chooses that such things violate their dress code standards, that is their privilege.

Hey, you can always make your living feeding off angst-ridden trust fund babies like rot here.

 

[Steeplerot]

All people will seek ones who share the same interests and yes there is an alternative to the blinded mainstream culture in america.

opression and discrimination is usually the factor that drives these people together. Not quite choice but more survival...that is not conformity..

and as far as the piercings thing....I agree to a certain point..I took my piercings out in 91 or so when it started to get trendy...emo kids and mod hipsters are pretty much the ones with piercing nowdays...not my style. American fashion is stuck in a sad retro cycle parody of itself since corporate mindset has pretty much killed off creativity in this country it's rehash rehash rehash, with mainstream music for youth sounding like the same protools loop, thank the gods for the european underground these past 15 years...

I am not even sure america has a culture anymore besides trying to screw over one another.

 

[eigen]

I got ink and steel in my face.I work in IT.getting my math degree.Plan on teaching.

 

[Steeplerot]

Nice, i always admired getting ink on my face...

Everyone is very boring nowdays and it is a ray of light seeing someone stand out for once.

 

[eilute]

It will, to some degree, make it more difficult to find a job i n the first place. I couldn't say how much. You just have to find a really groovy boss.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Nice, i always admired getting ink on my face...

Everyone is very boring nowdays and it is a ray of light seeing someone stand out for once.

Woah...No I meant I have tats and I have facial piercings....No ink on the face....
I don't forsee piercings and ink being a problem in academia ...If it is I will just go back to apple.

 

[Stunt]

Why are people so insecure that they feel they need to stand out?
What if bolts in people's noses and facial tattoos become the norm?
Do you NOT get that stuff done to stand out, or do you get more extreme?
You can be unique without body modifications

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Nice, i always admired getting ink on my face...

Everyone is very boring nowdays and it is a ray of light seeing someone stand out for once.

This post proves my point in its entirety.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Why are people so insecure that they feel they need to stand out?
What if bolts in people's noses and facial tattoos become the norm?
Do you NOT get that stuff done to stand out, or do you get more extreme?
You can be unique without body modifications

*shrug* I got it because I like the way it looks - I could care less about drawing attention to myself or looking unique.

That said, I'm a little disappointed about my tattoo, as it was an original design that my wife and I made then got done together (tribal band with yin-yang), yet every single MTV frat-boy seems to have something similar now-a-days.

 

[Steeplerot]

it is far from being insecure to stand out....

Sure, there may be people like that here and there but they blend right back in after a year or so "rebelling".

It takes a very courageous person to stand up to pointing and the same braindead whispering over the years.

Conformity = complacency imo. Those who sell right out are insecure with headtrips passed on through childhood and parents they usually tend to dedicate less time to finding themselves.

People at peace with themselves and have seen through the BS fed to you your whole life make their own path and seek alternatives..thus look different..mostly..

Outward fashion is pretty superficial, it is the evil part of living a alternative lifestyle...the mainstream would always love to pigeonhole you so they may market a new product or have new gossip about something they are too clueless to figure out themselves.

I fight with the high-fashion crowd for years...I think it's cool to make your own clothes etc.

But when they start making that crap in malls for kids looking to annoy their parents..it's time to move on...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Being a non-conformist is its own type of conformity.

It's also generally the sign of someone who is insecure and who feels the need to say "Hey! Look at me. I am not like you. I am different."

Pfft. Big deal. True individualists are individualists of the mind, not outward appearance, and don't have the need to make the vain pronouncement of "I'm different!" every time they appear in public.

 

[Steeplerot]

you are confusing mall kids with americas underground..get a grip TLC you are not that old ..or are you? You must remeber how the whole hippie thing became a commercial farce of itself in the late 60's. Doesen't mean the people who start these things were sellouts or conformists....anyhing but...it is the hive mentality to be trendy that makes people emultate whatever the underground is doing in a few years anyhow....Those who think for themselves are always a few steps ahead...and it is those types that make a difference...

Every subculture get assimilated sooner or later, and america usually gets a little bit of something positive from every movement though.

I do not expect the world to move by leaps and bounds..That is ok though.

you cannot force change onto someone, they have to find their own way..and people usually come around given them long enough to build up their comfort levels of what is the "norm"

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
it is far from being insecure to stand out....

Sure, there may be people like that here and there but they blend right back in after a year or so "rebelling".

It takes a very courageous person to stand up to pointing and the same braindead whispering over the years.

Conformity = complacency imo. Those who sell right out are insecure with headtrips passed on through childhood and parents they usually tend to dedicate less time to finding themselves.

People at peace with themselves and have seen through the BS fed to you your whole life make their own path and seek alternatives..thus look different..mostly..

Outward fashion is pretty superficial, it is the evil part of living a alternative lifestyle...the mainstream would always love to pigeonhole you so they may market a new product or have new gossip about something they are too clueless to figure out themselves.

I fight with the high-fashion crowd for years...I think it's cool to make your own clothes etc.

But when they start making that crap in malls for kids looking to annoy their parents..it's time to move on...

i see little difference at the basic level between the "high-fashion" you fight and the "anti-high-fashion" look that a lot of people go for. if you care so much about how you look as to put forth this kind of effort in either direction you care a bit too much about outward appearances. i wear the clothes i have which were mostly purchased from a utility standpoint or b/c they were given to me. i don't have peircings or tatoos b/c i don't see the enjoyment or utility gained from these things. i see almost zero reason to have body art if not for the "cool" factor. perhaps i am too pragmatic but i feel trying to be different is a fruitless endeavor when it comes to physical appearance.

note i don't have a problem with how anyone chooses to dress or look (as long as it doesn't make me want to vomit)

 

[Vic]

He's not confusing anything. If one would join "America's Underground," one must conform to its rules, thus "being a non-conformist IS its own type of conformity."

Regardless, all you can do is bang on the fortress walls, because you've marked yourself unable to enter through the gates, and your whining and crying won't change a thing. Some of us "whitebreads" are actually spies on the inside, making changes from within, because we haven't been tricked into branding ourselves.

 

[Steeplerot]

Fashion is very superficial, and any of the fads you stated are pretty 1995. I agree, I make my own clothes or thrift store store for stuff to alter.
I try not to buy into the whole thing as best as possible as "scenes" tend to turn into drama/pissing matches with everyone falling over themselves to see how alike one another can be.

This is why I make my own scenes or stick with what is real and unspoiled at that moment.

 

[eigen]

It has nothing to do with wanting to stand out....Its just the way I dress/look.
I have my ink/piercings and I wear my little hardcore bands t-shirt.Others have the A&F popped collar and oakleys.They have their style I have mine...

 

[Stunt]

We live in a very superficial world, and to think this is going away anytime soon is unrealistic. To think you are being superficial by looking like most people is hypocritical...as this is exactly what you are doing, changing your looks. Hell when you go to the bars to meet people, they will only give you the time of day if you appear to be their "type". This is where personal style comes into it.

I dress a little european, clean and stylish as I like to show my personality of having things together, drive to succeed and my love of trance, electronica, club atmosphere. My good friend who i go out with is a little bit of a rebel and likes the metal, heavy rock, darker music and will show this by wearing a band t-shirt skate shoes and leather wristbands. My other friend will wear a cross and a google shirt showing his religious views and geeky side. These are all examples of how you can show personality through clothing.

You don't have to modify your body perminently to show people you are different or unique. Some people just try too hard to PROVE they are different. Everyone is different and unique, you don't have to change your body to show this.

If you think it looks cool, so be it and that's respecatble, but for the motives listed above, this is pretty lame.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Vic
He's not confusing anything. If one would join "America's Underground," one must conform to its rules, thus "being a non-conformist IS its own type of conformity."

Regardless, all you can do is bang on the fortress walls, because you've marked yourself unable to enter through the gates, and your whining and crying won't change a thing. Some of us "whitebreads" are actually spies on the inside, making changes from within, because we haven't been tricked into branding ourselves.

That's perfectly fine though, I want no part of what is inside of those walls, matter of fact most people I know ran screaming from there in the first place after getting a taste throughout their childhoods.

Everyone has their place that they are comfortable with, be real to yourself and stand up to assh0les who put you down becasue of their inadequecies an headtrips and you should be golden, just remember that sooner or later you are going to get older, so reevaluate your idea of normal and comfort zones for yourself as much as possible, just like an athelte that is always fine tuning his muscles, your ideas of what is "your thing" can atrophy also....and you will be left behind, getting old and "stuck in his ways". There is ALWAYS something new to learn about in life, it's up to you to be ready to understand. Be yourself and fvck what other people think as long as you are honest even if it means ruffling a few feathers of stagnant chickens.

That is my only advice.

All the rebelling and piercings are your own trip, if you like them, fine. You will find sooner or later though being yourself is all you need sadly most people do not realize that the cage of society they have made of their own choice unfortunatly a lot of people do not see this until they are elderly.

Society judges, oh well, they do not represent anything anyhow except a superficial rat-race, life is too short and there is too much out there for me to care what they think.

If you know yourself as the individual you are, how could you fit into a mold anyhow? that stuff is for the ones that have not comes to terms yet and seek a catch-all.