Who said anything about wanting to change anything.I am just as american as any red-neck or whitecollar type.....Dont confuse style with politics.
I know plenty of people with ink/piercings who are living the american dream.
Who said anything about wanting to change anything.I am just as american as any red-neck or whitecollar type.....Dont confuse style with politics.
I know plenty of people with ink/piercings who are living the american dream.
TastesLikeChicken
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Having a nail stuck through your eyebrow or a tat on your forehead does not make one a forward thinker (Mike Tyson, anyone?). True individualism is of the mind, not the body.
And, yes, I am that old. Old enough to have given up my own piercings in the early 80s after I realized that having piercings, when so few others had one, didn't make me any different or forward thinking. It just made me a dude with piercings.
And the hippies were already a farce as soon as they began since they were nothing but a commercialization of the beat generation from the 50s.
Steeplerot
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And keroac's ilk dealt with the same thing. Doesent mean to climb into a ball and take the easy way out...there is always a new challenge.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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I have never once heard of a rule of the underground except to be yourself...
If you do find yourself in a group of people that have such "rules" you probaly have joined a scene.
I don't think you grasp the fact that it can be anyone, not just someone with piercings..and it does not need to be catagorized to be legit...I enjoy many different types of people surrounding me...
But I try to stay away from black and white judgemental ones....those people have headtrips that make them think they can dictate there lifestyle over to me..
I have no interest in friends that look weird to be cool, act rebellious, or fit in.
I prefer those who make there own way, and if they find a subculture style they are comfortable with, more power to them. Just keep it real please.
There is already a whole country out there of people falling over themselves to fit in.
Are you talking to me.....?
Yeah I have been part of the hardcorepunk/straightedge scene for about 10yrs now..The scene sucks but you do find cool people in it...I am too geeky and into science for a lot of them...but I am to hardcore for alot of the geeks.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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No, not directed at you, just pondering the state of stuff nowdays...
I wouldn't expect to fit right into a scene, I like all my options open (as long as it's not a group of fascists) and refuse to buy into one set style or mindset...that is healthy imo.
plenty of clones out there.
I wouldn't expect to fit right into a scene, I like all my options open (as long as it's not a group of fascists) and refuse to buy into one set style or mindset...that is healthy imo.
plenty of clones out there.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
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What's the easy way out?
imo, it's more difficult and more challenging to attempt to integrate your individuality into mainstream society than it is to separate yourself in an insular little world of like-minded dissidents while flipping everyone else the bird and berating them for being trendy sheeple.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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who is flipping anyone a bird, I walk out of my house i just want to get where I am going without getting harrassed by rednecks...
People group together at the edges becasue mainly of rejection of mainstream...
If you are having problems coping with being part of society you ever think maybe it's becasue the whole thing is a mess and not at all nessasary?
Like I said don't go against the grain...and you are the one who sets the direction....
I have many many friends, I would even wager that I know more people closely then a lot of people in here do.
You make your own isolation, and isolating yourself from happiness to fit a arbitrary standard of reality is a bad move..
People group together at the edges becasue mainly of rejection of mainstream...
If you are having problems coping with being part of society you ever think maybe it's becasue the whole thing is a mess and not at all nessasary?
Like I said don't go against the grain...and you are the one who sets the direction....
I have many many friends, I would even wager that I know more people closely then a lot of people in here do.
You make your own isolation, and isolating yourself from happiness to fit a arbitrary standard of reality is a bad move..
See, issues with authority. . .hate to say it but "I told you so." I guess you really CAN judge a book by its cover.
So you wouldn't deal with these businesses huh? More likely its the other way around, they see you coming and they run for the door.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Ahh so you are champion of discrimination now...you are no better then the ones who perpetuate this.
If they choose to run out a door they would usually get a good laugh from me, and I know somewhere in their head they are scared of something different and they nervously laugh right back at me (or probaly make the same tired quips to make them feel better about themselves) becasue I do not fit some mold headtrip they have....oh well it is their thing not mine. *shrug*
Like I said before, you don't want to deal with the ignorant people then move or get new friends. You are the one caging yourself.
There is a whole world of diverse people out there, best to get over your stupid carbon copy mindset as to be ready for the new experiences and cultures in life. or stagnate..it's your deal not mine.
If they choose to run out a door they would usually get a good laugh from me, and I know somewhere in their head they are scared of something different and they nervously laugh right back at me (or probaly make the same tired quips to make them feel better about themselves) becasue I do not fit some mold headtrip they have....oh well it is their thing not mine. *shrug*
Like I said before, you don't want to deal with the ignorant people then move or get new friends. You are the one caging yourself.
There is a whole world of diverse people out there, best to get over your stupid carbon copy mindset as to be ready for the new experiences and cultures in life. or stagnate..it's your deal not mine.
Whatever. . .it was YOUR paycheck that just ran out the door. And unless you are somehow so radically different from the rest of us as you seem to want to think you are, I'm pretty sure you still need money to put food on the table at the end of the day. Call me conformist or complacent or whatever. . .I choose to focus more on getting along with the people I have to live with in this life and who affect me on a daily basis rather than prove how much of a "free spirit" I am or how I am so different from everybody else. . .Like I'm so friggin special or something. So you use words like mainstream, complacency, and conformity with a look of disgust on your face, like those things are evil or something. I just choose to pick my battles and don't feel the need to stand up and be different just for the sake of being different. So you're different, you're not like eveyrone else, you have green hair. . .BIG FRIGGIN DEAL! WHAT HAVE YOU PROVED?! NOTHING! All it says to me is that you think it somehow makes you special. That you think you don't have to struggle through the same crap that millions of other people have to struggle through every day because you are somehow above it because you don't want to conform. What happened, your childhood dreams of becoming a big famous superstar didn't work out so you feel the need to give a big F-U to society and find some pathetic way to make yourself stand out? You think your big green hair-do will bring you the attention you crave? Well maybe it will, just don't be surprised when it's not the kind of attention you wanted. If everybody were complacent we'd be much closer to world peace, yet you say the word like its some kind of curse.
wow, TLC and I in agreement....what is going on here?
Steeplerot, come on - you are a musician, and no offense, but that pretty much disqualifies you from this discussion on body modification hindering professionals - in your culture, it is very much the norm - in my corporate office, it is very much the opposite. It isn't about oppression of ideals or individualism, it's about a professional, non-distractive appearance most condusive to conducting business. Our clients are hospitals and doctors from all over the world - they dont' want to sit down and talk about ways we can save them money if I've got a facial tatoo or a metal rod stuck in my tongue.
Steeplerot, come on - you are a musician, and no offense, but that pretty much disqualifies you from this discussion on body modification hindering professionals - in your culture, it is very much the norm - in my corporate office, it is very much the opposite. It isn't about oppression of ideals or individualism, it's about a professional, non-distractive appearance most condusive to conducting business. Our clients are hospitals and doctors from all over the world - they dont' want to sit down and talk about ways we can save them money if I've got a facial tatoo or a metal rod stuck in my tongue.
Michael
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It certainly doesn't help.
When I'm interviewing for entry-level positions, I'm actually fairly calm about piercings and such, as long as it isn't way overboard. A bar through an eyebrow isn't really much different than an earing nor is a small nose ring. I would have more concerns for a job that has to deal with customers or a more senior job where the person has to represent my department to other senior management.
For the most part, piercings are pretty easy to reverse. Large tatoos that can't be covered up with normal work clothes are another issue.
I don't think that Stepplerot is working the type of work where his opinion on this makes much difference.
I've been asked by young friends before about this. In the end, it is their body and their decision. It certainly will make things harder for them in a larger company, but it isn't something that can't be overcome with the right performance on the job (if they get the job).
If the steel and ink is much more extreme, then I have a hard time not simply passing on the candidate. To me, it represents a lifestyle choice that shows the person is unlikely to do well in a larger company where you often have to be less of an individual and more of a team player.
Michael
When I'm interviewing for entry-level positions, I'm actually fairly calm about piercings and such, as long as it isn't way overboard. A bar through an eyebrow isn't really much different than an earing nor is a small nose ring. I would have more concerns for a job that has to deal with customers or a more senior job where the person has to represent my department to other senior management.
For the most part, piercings are pretty easy to reverse. Large tatoos that can't be covered up with normal work clothes are another issue.
I don't think that Stepplerot is working the type of work where his opinion on this makes much difference.
I've been asked by young friends before about this. In the end, it is their body and their decision. It certainly will make things harder for them in a larger company, but it isn't something that can't be overcome with the right performance on the job (if they get the job).
If the steel and ink is much more extreme, then I have a hard time not simply passing on the candidate. To me, it represents a lifestyle choice that shows the person is unlikely to do well in a larger company where you often have to be less of an individual and more of a team player.
Michael
competence is more important where i work &
eccentricity is accepted. i don't see many piercings, but there are a few tattoos.
in general, they limit your options & there's not much point in whining about it.
edit: spelling
eccentricity is accepted. i don't see many piercings, but there are a few tattoos.
in general, they limit your options & there's not much point in whining about it.
edit: spelling
Steeplerot
Lifer
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I see where you are coming from and I know this is a pretty un-american thing to say..but my quality of life and peace of mind trumps making hordes of cash....
Pay the bills and enjoy my life, work is the least of my concerns, it's more an afterthought of "oh yeah I have somewhere to be soon."
And no I am not giving a big FU to society...like I said before, if someone is ignorant and sees how I am as a threatening "Big F-U" then that's their problem, not mine.
Parts of your rant sounds like you watched "Fight club" too many times...
"You laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you?re all the same." -Vick Imbornoni
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yep, I couldn't wear anything for a couple jobs I had(selling cars for one) and I've just never put them back in. Also my ink can't be seen unless I am not wearing a shirt.
Also in my current career - I couldn't wear anything anyway due to being in MCC rooms and other areas of plants where electricity hazards prevent wearing them - not to mention the unprofessional nature of it all. I'll probably never put the steel back in.
CsG
Ok, well here's probably where the crux of the difference in point of view is between you and I. You see it that somebody seeing another person negatively is the beholder's problem, not the beholden. And to the beholder you say, well tough luck for you. . .I don't need you anyway. My point of view is that there will be times when I DO need something from that person whoever that person might be in a given situation. I am not so quick to say, "well that's your problem." Rather I will ask myself, "what can I do to remedy this problem such that I can still get the outcome I desire?" Because like it or not, there are going to be times in your life when you will need things from other people and if they are short sighted and narrow, then that problem of theirs suddenly becomes yours when you need something from them. That person could be a potential client or an employer or it could be a judge or a police officer. . .There are going to be thousands of potential situations in life where you need something from somebody who, like it or not, has some kind of authority over you. Just as there will be other times when you are the one calling the shots. I choose to take the path of least resistance rather than go against the grain. Everything in nature takes the path of least resistance (well except those silly fish that swim upstream to reach their spawning ground). . .water down a hill. . .electricity to the ground. . .I am part of nature. Why should I be any different? I guess you are the salmon and I am the water.
[EDIT] And I only saw Fight Club 2x and that was over 2 years ago since last time I saw it. What parts did you mean?
[edit edit] And I was not trying to call you silly by likening you to the salmon.
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