Does anybody have more than this?

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: piasabird
Sounds like he said that if people did have intelligence, they would not join the military in the first place. However, it did not stop him from joining the military. This must mean he is suffering from his ignorance.

He was merely stating a simple fact: That is, that overwhelmingly it is the poor and uneducated that end up in the military. Not because they are stupid, but because they have few options in life.

If that is actually the case, why didn't he say Mcdonald's? Surely more "dumb" people work for McDonald's, right?

Why can't y'all just admit he f'd up?

Yeah I know we have McJob now added to our dictionary.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Kerry's response is pretty strong. Snow, Bush and those other posers never wore the uniform and have no business even commenting.

Next!

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, but what's the negative impact for the Democrats? Kerry not coming to their rally doesn't seem like a negative thing, since Kerry is pretty much preaching to the choir anyways.

You must own a 'Sit n' Spin' because that is all you have been doing for their entire thread.

The irony is so thick it could choke an elephant. Not only do you keep whining about people insulting you while you freely insult others, but you have the gall to attack someone else as spinning? Wow. I guess that means you must be a 'Sit n' Spin' since that's all you've ever done since you popped up here.

These were two cases where Kerry was going to attend and now he is not. And you want to explain that by saying he is just preaching to the choir. Why the hell invite him in the first place then?
The Democrats are running from him, or at least some of them are, that is never a good thing. If they had confidence in his response they would not cancel his appearances. Obviously these two do not want an ad showing up on TV in the closing days with a picture of them standing next to Kerry while Kerry?s comments play.

Case in point. An overriding theme of this election has been Republicans distancing themselves from Bush, yet you spin this flea turd as if it were the most important story in a decade.

BTW: how come no one has called you a shill, or party hack, or paid poster since all you have done this thread is defend Kerry and repeat every talk point Kerry has put out there?

I believe you just did. I assume you will now lecture yourself as you have in the past when anyone points out your shilling and hackery.



For everyone else, may I suggest: Do Not Feed the Trolls. Gentlemen, this "story" is simply another partisan diversion. It is a diversion from the fact that the Bush administration has failed America on all fronts, thanks in large part to the complicity of the Republican lapdogs infesting Congress. They have no accomplishments upon which they can run, no constructive ideas, so they desperately beat non-stories like this, hoping against hope their empty attacks will distract the sheeple one more time.

Don't help them. If you ignore them, all they'll have is a pathetic circle jerk that quickly falls from the front page. Keep the focus on BushCo's failures and the fact that a Democratic Congress makes Bush a lame duck, significantly containing the damage he can cause in his last two years. America needs change. This is our chance to make it.

 

[wiin]

kerry said:
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."


I am not seeing any mention of the Administration or President Bush here. Kerry saying this is nothing new. He trashed American Soldiers during the Vietnam war, too. Please meet one of the dudes he is referiing to Major E. to Senator Kerry

Before that, I earned two graduate degrees and an undergraduate degree from the US Air Force Academy, having turned down UC Berkeley.

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: glenn beck
This 10 second clip, curious the whole context of his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

Ummmm.... that is a comment on the administration, the President in particular, not the troops.

The administration, the President in particular, has us stuck in Iraq without a plan or clue.

Jeez... it took me all of 1 second reading the quote on CNN to figure that out!

 

[randym431]

Kerry ran in 04, not in 06, so as much as "they" would like this to make a diff, it wont and should not.

But... John Mc Cain's comments just turns me off further to him as an option in 08.

Bush's reaction, Rush's reaction is moot and easily ignored. As well as Cheney's reaction and sure to be attempt this weekend on all the news talk shows where Cheney will try to revive the Kerry issue. These republican chicken hawks have never worn the uniform, except for dress-up time. Kiss your corrupt leadership good bye GW. The bell tolls Nov 7th...

PS. How the different press and news organizations plays on this REALLY gives their alliance away. But we already knew that.

 

[GoPackGo]

Kerry is already having campaign stops cancelled on him.

His mouth is poison.

 

[Aisengard]

Kerry just sacrificed himself for the good of the Democratic party, whether unwittingly or not. Now the focus is back on the Iraq, which most of the country thinks is a GOP failure.

Hats off, John. Now you can go back to being a popular Massachusetts senator.

 

[DealMonkey]

It just goes to show how desperate the GOP and their most ardent supporters are - "Prof" John, I'm looking at you - to seize on something so petty and to try and make this a Bush-Kerry contest just like 2004. So Kerry "mispoke" and said something vaguely stupid. The last people that should be pointing that out are Bush-supporters. Jesus, barely a day goes by where Bush doesn't say something idiotic.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Here is the entire quote --- in context.

It was clearly a joke toward Bush.

Full video

 

[DealMonkey]

Kerry called them stupid (the admin) and they were too stupid to know he called them stupid. :laugh:

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Palehorsey wants to see Academic Degrees as a measure of comprehension.... amazing.. Folks with Street Smarts from The Sidewalk University have more smarts than I do on issues of Common Sense... It seems the more Academia one ingests the more myopic they become. Fixed on one stream of thought often overlooking what bolder is about to roll them over...

actually it wasn't me who brought up degrees as a measure of prowess. There was some Elitist dude here who decided to throw his University-peen around. He called our enlisted military "stupid," and then questioned my own level of education. So I took that opportunity to slap him a few times with my own University-peen, and he shut up. I don't normally mention my degrees or reference my scholastic achievements in any form or fashion. AFAIC, they are all secondary to my RL experiences and common sense (my street cred..lol). So guess what, you and I actually agree, regardless of your patronizing "palehorsey" comment. go figure!

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Here is the entire quote --- in context.

It was clearly a joke toward Bush.

Full video

/thread

 

[shadow9d9]

It is sad because it is true. It is a commentary of Bush. It also points out how the military targets low income families. The Republicans feign outrage even though they are the ones keeping us in Iraq... 100 died this month? 2 billion a week?

And sorry, 1 or 2 exceptions to the military recruitment rule does not negate the reality of the situation.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Here is the entire quote --- in context.

It was clearly a joke toward Bush.

Full video

/thread

You'd think that, but my guess is this will not come close to slowing down the feigned outrage of conservatives. I am quite sure Kerry meant no disrespect toward the troops, but I certainly wish he hadn't said this.

 

[steppinthrax]

It's no surprise to me that most people downgrade education and higher learning. This is the United States. Education is not very important here. It is to the point where people feel if you have an education you are not "street smart" or don't know how to handel yourself etc.... It kind of boils down to jelousy because those who are without it feel kind of bad anyway. When in actuality those having higher knowledge are the one's who triumph over those without.

If you boil down this entire thread it is all about the statement Kerry made about the US army not being educated. In fact he is correct. Statistically the United States military and people who enlist in the military have lower educational background then the general public.

Kerry spoke the truth. No one goes around saying the IQ of African Americans is statistically lower then the rest of the public. It is technically true based on how you do the statistics. But, you say that so blatentley people get angry. Unfortunatley what kerry said made people angry. Enlistments in the military and the general military force is the highest it's been since we are at war. Many of these military people (palehorse) are coming out of the woodwark and saying their mind about the situation. There are far few military people that I know who are actually considered educated. So the ones that are coming out misrepresent the actual education of the military. They are also biased because of course when in the military you are brainwashed to think this system is the best and no one can say otherwise.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
"Education if you make the most of it, if you study hard, you do your homework, you make an effort to get smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq"

EDIT: just read the actual full quote:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
It is sad because it is true. It is a commentary of Bush. It also points out how the military targets low income families. The Republicans feign outrage even though they are the ones keeping us in Iraq... 100 died this month? 2 billion a week?

And sorry, 1 or 2 exceptions to the military recruitment rule does not negate the reality of the situation.

Correct,

That is what kerry was trying to say. Low-income and low-education kind of go together. Recuriters are rewarded when they recruit more members. They are educated on where to go. 90210 isn't one of them..... It is easier to recuit an uneducated person into the military rather to recuirt an educated person. That is becuase an uneducated person is likley low income and feel they have no future. The military is often the last resort. Like I said again your not going to find military recuritments at major Universities especially ivy league. They know it's like selling a fridge to the eskimos....

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
It's no surprise to me that most people downgrade education and higher learning. This is the United States. Education is not very important here. It is to the point where people feel if you have an education you are not "street smart" or don't know how to handel yourself etc.... It kind of boils down to jelousy because those who are without it feel kind of bad anyway. When in actuality those having higher knowledge are the one's who triumph over those without.

If you boil down this entire thread it is all about the statement Kerry made about the US army not being educated. In fact he is correct. Statistically the United States military and people who enlist in the military have lower educational background then the general public.

Kerry spoke the truth. No one goes around saying the IQ of African Americans is statistically lower then the rest of the public. It is technically true based on how you do the statistics. But, you say that so blatentley people get angry. Unfortunatley what kerry said made people angry. Enlistments in the military and the general military force is the highest it's been since we are at war. Many of these military people (palehorse) are coming out of the woodwark and saying their mind about the situation. There are far few military people that I know who are actually considered educated. So the ones that are coming out misrepresent the actual education of the military. They are also biased because of course when in the military you are brainwashed to think this system is the best and no one can say otherwise.

This really isn't what he said - he was referring to President Bush.

I also take exception to your assertion that military members are less educated than the general population. Hell, I already had a JD when I joined the military. Certainly there are relatively few enlisted members with college degrees when they enlist (many get them subsequently). You could say the same thing about incoming college freshman, and it would be just as accurate and meaningful. When you factor in officers I don't believe the overall rate of education in the service is lower than in the general public. Meanwhile, it's been my experience that young enlisted members (particularly in the Air Force) tend to have their sh!t together to a greater extent than their civilian counterparts. I went to college when I was 17, and when I was 18-19 I was a derelict (albeit one enrolled in a quality University) compared to most of the junior enlisted troops I met when I was in the service.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
It's no surprise to me that most people downgrade education and higher learning. This is the United States. Education is not very important here. It is to the point where people feel if you have an education you are not "street smart" or don't know how to handel yourself etc.... It kind of boils down to jelousy because those who are without it feel kind of bad anyway. When in actuality those having higher knowledge are the one's who triumph over those without.

Kerry spoke the truth. No one goes around saying the IQ of African Americans is statistically lower then the rest of the public. It is technically true based on how you do the statistics. But, you say that so blatentley people get angry. Unfortunatley what kerry said made people angry. Enlistments in the military and the general military force is the highest it's been since we are at war. Many of these military people (palehorse) are coming out of the woodwark and saying their mind about the situation. There are far few military people that I know who are actually considered educated. So the ones that are coming out misrepresent the actual education of the military. They are also biased because of course when in the military you are brainwashed to think this system is the best and no one can say otherwise.

Do you even recognize just how Elitist you sound? If I thought the way that your do, I'd have to kick my own arse.

Besides, you are wrong.

If you boil down this entire thread it is all about the statement Kerry made about the US army not being educated. In fact he is correct. Statistically the United States military and people who enlist in the military have lower educational background then the general public.

you just said that... ok, now, suck on THIS:

Heritage Foundation analysis of DOD enlistment data for 1999 and 2003 shows that, contrary to some claims, voluntary military recruits are better educated than the general population and were more likely to come from higher-income areas after 9/11.

how do you like Dem apples, eh?

 

[Pens1566]

Has to complain about something else now that he's received the full context he's been bitching about in this thread and others. Dodge.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
You don't have to be in the military to know what the military is. It's pretty simple. They have no admission requirements and pretty much accept anybody under the sun. There are certain physical and medical requirements but they are real lax on the education part. I'm not surprised though at the amount of anger coming from individuals here regarding the comment Kerry made. This is the United States. Education here isn't valued that highly as XBOX 360 or a new car. People here are up for the quick fixes and short term highs.

I will need to look this up but apparently the heritage foundation did a study and found the avg income and educational level in our armed forces is higher than the general population.

/shrug

the educated ones tend to stay in for their 20-25 years a bit more than the enlisted man, who is probably there between 5-10 years. I'm sure that if you took all people that had served, that gap would be reduced, if not reversed entirely.

 

[1EZduzit]

This study is only of non prior service individuals, not the military as a whole.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
It's no surprise to me that most people downgrade education and higher learning. This is the United States. Education is not very important here. It is to the point where people feel if you have an education you are not "street smart" or don't know how to handel yourself etc.... It kind of boils down to jelousy because those who are without it feel kind of bad anyway. When in actuality those having higher knowledge are the one's who triumph over those without.

Kerry spoke the truth. No one goes around saying the IQ of African Americans is statistically lower then the rest of the public. It is technically true based on how you do the statistics. But, you say that so blatentley people get angry. Unfortunatley what kerry said made people angry. Enlistments in the military and the general military force is the highest it's been since we are at war. Many of these military people (palehorse) are coming out of the woodwark and saying their mind about the situation. There are far few military people that I know who are actually considered educated. So the ones that are coming out misrepresent the actual education of the military. They are also biased because of course when in the military you are brainwashed to think this system is the best and no one can say otherwise.

Do you even recognize just how Elitist you sound? If I thought the way that your do, I'd have to kick my own arse.

Besides, you are wrong.

If you boil down this entire thread it is all about the statement Kerry made about the US army not being educated. In fact he is correct. Statistically the United States military and people who enlist in the military have lower educational background then the general public.

you just said that... ok, now, suck on THIS:

Heritage Foundation analysis of DOD enlistment data for 1999 and 2003 shows that, contrary to some claims, voluntary military recruits are better educated than the general population and were more likely to come from higher-income areas after 9/11.

how do you like Dem apples, eh?

You realize that Hertiage.org is a GOP propaganda site???

I have found info on Hertiage.org it blantly wrong.

and I give you this to prove my point

 

[spidey07]

This is fabulous!

It's going to carry over all this week and into the weekend swithing the minds of a huge number of voters. It's still the dominant news story.

Prediction? John Kerry doesn't say one single thing. The democratic party would do best to lock him in a closet until after the election. His comments have NOT shifted the topic to Iraq. They have focused attention on the major democratic party flaw at the most opportune time. They don't like the military and are weak on national security. If anything this is going to give the republicans a major boost.

 

[darkhorror]

Ok I didn't read the entire thread but I have a different outlook at this quote.

I wouldn't call someone coming out of highschool "educated" when they come out of a bad school system. I also would not say being poor is the fault of someone just finishing highschool. They haven't had a chance to become educated or make money. Now after highschool they can enter the military and not have to spend a lot of money on college or just start out working to make enough money to live. They can go into the military who will help them out a lot.