Does anybody have more than this?

[maluckey]

According to GPA comparison...

Bush is all of that, and Kerry got a lower GPA at Yale and then was defeated by the intellectually stupid guy in the race for the presidency. Sheesh. No matter how Kerry spins his so-called gaffe it is stupid for him to say anything like that.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
My thinking is if these troops are really dumb enough to believe that Kerry was talking about them and not the president, then what they think he was saying isn't too far from the truth.

he did mean what he said, and the troops are smart enough to see through his spindoctor bullsh*t excuses and apologies.

You're approaching Pabster-level clueslessness.

As Kerry's prepared remarks showed, the joke was not about the troops. You can lie or face the facts.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DonVito
Typical chickenhawk outrage. I don't think most veterans or service members would be offended by this at all, though it would be helpful to know more about the context of that remark.

He just insulted everyone in the military by implying they have no education.
Rough transcript
"Education if you make the most of it, if you study hard, you do your homework, you make an effort to get smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq"
So everyone in Iraq did not study hard, do their homework and is not smart?
As a former member of the military I am surprised you find this comment ok.

He's implying that the average level of education in the military is very low, which is undeniably true.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DonVito
Typical chickenhawk outrage. I don't think most veterans or service members would be offended by this at all, though it would be helpful to know more about the context of that remark.

He just insulted everyone in the military by implying they have no education.
Rough transcript
"Education if you make the most of it, if you study hard, you do your homework, you make an effort to get smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq"
So everyone in Iraq did not study hard, do their homework and is not smart?
As a former member of the military I am surprised you find this comment ok.

He's implying that the average level of education in the military is very low, which is undeniably true.

Profjohn, his prepared remarks showed that the comment was meant to be that the line is you get *us* stuck in Iraq, the last in a series of Bush jabs.

Whether it's true or not about soldiers, it was misspeaking, just like when Bush said that his administration is looking for ways to harm our nation.

Kerry did not intend to say it at the soldiers, clearly. You are being disenguous, in my view, if yo repeat the falst attack.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DonVito
Typical chickenhawk outrage. I don't think most veterans or service members would be offended by this at all, though it would be helpful to know more about the context of that remark.

He just insulted everyone in the military by implying they have no education.
Rough transcript
"Education if you make the most of it, if you study hard, you do your homework, you make an effort to get smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq"
So everyone in Iraq did not study hard, do their homework and is not smart?
As a former member of the military I am surprised you find this comment ok.

He's implying that the average level of education in the military is very low, which is undeniably true.

It is comments like the one above by Sureshot that make the Kerry mistake so bad.
That Kerry would make a joke, even if mistaken, that could be taken to believe that the military is stupid and then people like sureshot repeat the allegations, shows just how little respect for the military many liberals have in this country.

No mater what Kerry meant to say, it was just a stupid move on his part. Especially for someone who may have lost an election based on the attacks of Vietnam Vets. Kerry should be walking on egg shells when it comes to talking about the military and Iraq, so as not to offend anyone.

Instead of sounding like a statesman who is ready to run the country Kerry just sounds like a bitter partisan hack.

Craig, I don?t think it is being disingenuous to repeat the ?attack? on Kerry. There are MANY reasonable people who are of the view that Kerry?s mistake was a Freudian one. There is tons of evidence to suggest that many on the left still think of the military in the same terms they did in Vietnam. Kerry is just the latest in a long list of comments by members of the left that put our military in bad light.

Additionally, Kerry?s original response was just awful. Instead of stepping up and giving an apology for a verbal gaffe Kerry instead launched an attack on Rush and Tony Snow. What the hell do they have to do with Kerry?s statements? Kerry is the one who screwed up; instead of taking responsibility he would have rather shifted blame to others.

 

[theeedude]

Still trying to squeeze water from this rock?

 

[Craig234]

John, there is no doubt what he meant, and your dishonesty in trying to say otherwise, directly or via a 'Frueidan slip', are contemptible.

If you can't make your point honestly, you have no business making it at all. If you want to attack liberals for their military views, Kerry for his heroic leadership of the anti-war movement, do so directly, do not use a lie to try to win a point.

You cannot defend your point whatsoever, and to repeat it is lying at this point. Bush lied. Snow lied. You will be lying if you say it again. I do not accept that you can reasonably reach the conclusion that's wrong on this, when you know what his prepared remarks were. You are either going to be honest, or lie out of desperate partisanship.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234
John, there is no doubt what he meant, and your dishonesty in trying to say otherwise, directly or via a 'Frueidan slip', are contemptible.

If you can't make your point honestly, you have no business making it at all. If you want to attack liberals for their military views, Kerry for his heroic leadership of the anti-war movement, do so directly, do not use a lie to try to win a point.

You cannot defend your point whatsoever, and to repeat it is lying at this point. Bush lied. Snow lied. You will be lying if you say it again. I do not accept that you can reasonably reach the conclusion that's wrong on this, when you know what his prepared remarks were. You are either going to be honest, or lie out of desperate partisanship.

Where am *I* being dishonest?

Go read the views of the Kerry comment on NationalReview or any place else on the right side of the isle and you will see DOZENS of people who took what he said as an insult to the troops.

Personally, I do believe that he messed up the joke. But I also believe that what Kerry said matches his true belief. MANY Democrats see people who join the military as either stupid or dupes, just read our threads on here.
Anyone who joins the military is 'brainwashed" I can point to this in thread after thread.

I also believe that Kerry does support the troops, but I think he has a negative view of the military. Just look at his comments about the military going back to Vietnam. Time after time he paints them in a negative light. From war crimes in Vietnam to the "terrorizing of women and children" today.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Who's John Kerry?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Craig234
John, there is no doubt what he meant, and your dishonesty in trying to say otherwise, directly or via a 'Frueidan slip', are contemptible.

If you can't make your point honestly, you have no business making it at all. If you want to attack liberals for their military views, Kerry for his heroic leadership of the anti-war movement, do so directly, do not use a lie to try to win a point.

You cannot defend your point whatsoever, and to repeat it is lying at this point. Bush lied. Snow lied. You will be lying if you say it again. I do not accept that you can reasonably reach the conclusion that's wrong on this, when you know what his prepared remarks were. You are either going to be honest, or lie out of desperate partisanship.

You're the one who doesn't get it. That remark was not "prepared" at all. Saying that it was "a smispoken prepared joke" is some PR advisor's wild attempt to recover from an ugly situation. Kerry meant what he said, and sadly enough, many other liberals feel the exact same way. That's been proven in this thread and other places. Their subconcious contempt for the military knows no bounds...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Craig234
John, there is no doubt what he meant, and your dishonesty in trying to say otherwise, directly or via a 'Frueidan slip', are contemptible.

If you can't make your point honestly, you have no business making it at all. If you want to attack liberals for their military views, Kerry for his heroic leadership of the anti-war movement, do so directly, do not use a lie to try to win a point.

You cannot defend your point whatsoever, and to repeat it is lying at this point. Bush lied. Snow lied. You will be lying if you say it again. I do not accept that you can reasonably reach the conclusion that's wrong on this, when you know what his prepared remarks were. You are either going to be honest, or lie out of desperate partisanship.

You're the one who doesn't get it. That remark was not "prepared" at all. Saying that it was "a smispoken prepared joke" is some PR advisor's wild attempt to recover from an ugly situation. Kerry meant what he said, and sadly enough, many other liberals feel the exact same way. That's been proven in this thread and other places. Their subconcious contempt for the military knows no bounds...

If you believe that then you are stupid. However I don't think you are stupid, just extremely dishonest.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

You're the one who doesn't get it. That remark was not "prepared" at all. Saying that it was "a smispoken prepared joke" is some PR advisor's wild attempt to recover from an ugly situation. Kerry meant what he said, and sadly enough, many other liberals feel the exact same way. That's been proven in this thread and other places. Their subconcious contempt for the military knows no bounds...

I really take exception to that entire proposition. I myself am a veteran and registered Democrat, and there are millions like me. God knows Kerry saw vastly more combat than the overwhelming majority of Americans, regardless of political philosophy, and I don't get why anyone would assume he would make such a foolish, categorical insult toward the troops.

If you want to look at who REALLY doesn't care about the troops, look at Donald Rumsfeld. I literally can't imagine a person with a more cynical, reckless view of the military. As far as he is concerned, the men and women are a tool to be used and abused, for a political philosophy that has little or nothing to do with our national security. If you want to look for a place to put your outrage, look to the Pentagon and the White House.

 

[theeedude]

I told you Kerry would just focus this on Iraq. Then Bush couldn't stop talking about it.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I told you Kerry would just focus this on Iraq. Then Bush couldn't stop talking about it.

yeah, everyone couldn't stop talking about it. After I had heard of NK rejoining the negotiating table, and some more economic good news I thought to myself that any momentum that the Dems had going into tuesday was GONE.

then Kerry opened his mouth, and the bait to bash him once more was too tempting for the wingers and sheeple.

thank you John Kerry.

 

[steppinthrax]

Well I believe based on what happened yesterday we can safely say Kerry's military is stupid comment made absolutely no difference in the outcome of this election.

LOL