sandorski
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Oh, nevermind just saw who you were talking about . BTW, you should keep him/her, a dissenting voice is a good thing in a democracy. 
Red Dawn: BTW, if you really wanted something worthwhile, you wouldn't ask for Molsons. Rickards Red or Kokanee(amongst others) or much better.
Red Dawn: BTW, if you really wanted something worthwhile, you wouldn't ask for Molsons. Rickards Red or Kokanee(amongst others) or much better.
You're still missing the point. Of the American Aters here, what percent would you predict have immigrant parents, grand parents or great grandparents.
I'm willing to bet over 70% of the American AT population are children of immigrants w/in the last 100 years.
soo, where do you think the prevailing attitude of AMERICAN ATers comes from???
You Europeans have fallen into the MYTH that there is a representative NATIVE AMERICAN population here. not true. Even the true native americans don't represent the American population as a whole. THIS COUNTRY IS MADE UP OF IMMIGRANTS.
Look at it this way...we basically went off and formed our own country because we didn't want to pay a few pence of tax on paper and tea (AKA Americans love the 'cash monies')
(Well, that plus we didn't think we were Parliament's bitch)
Note: I realize that there was a LOT more to it than this, but this was just a joke
<-- Been in AP US History for a month
(Well, that plus we didn't think we were Parliament's bitch
)Note: I realize that there was a LOT more to it than this, but this was just a joke
<-- Been in AP US History for a month
Ironic how most of those that were leading the revolt against British Tea were COFFEE farmers huh. and that Coffee was MORE expensive than Tea at the time. hmmmm. wonder who's self interest they were really serving.
Not that I'm complaining about the results mind you, i believe a LOT of good things happen thru peoples Selfish Self interest (the ayn rand in me coming out i guess), but let's not delude ourselves.
"If you question anything the government has done (unless of course it pertains to social welfare), you are met with a wave of McCarthyisms."
Could you explain / define your meaning of McCarthyism in this instance?
Could you explain / define your meaning of McCarthyism in this instance?
sandorski
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Platinum: 100 years is a long time, even 2nd generation citizens, for a large part don't have a clue. My father immigrated from Hungary in 56 and though he described to me what his life was like I still have no real understanding what his life was like in Hungary. Perhaps if he had married a fellow Hungarian immigrant I would know more and likely would have been taken back to meet family or what not, but he chose to marry a Canadian(4th generation immigrant from the US).
Certainly there are likely many American's with an idea of what's up who are x generation, but there are too many who don't.
Certainly there are likely many American's with an idea of what's up who are x generation, but there are too many who don't.
Ok, you want the US out of the worlds affairs? Fine, say we leave. We only get 25% of our oil from the middle east anyway...let Europe and Japan starve themselves out of oil because the region goes to sh!t. Fine by me, with the money we save we can devolep new alternative enery sources.
Whats that? Out of Asia too? Ok, fine. We will leave China to take care of the local region and make sure justice is served, all the while selling Mcdonalds cokes to thier populations.
The balkens too? Ok. we will let Europe deal with them, since they seem to have done a fine job with thier militaries so far.
Isreal? Yes, we will let the Arab countries do as they will with the remaining Jews. And when they are all nuked, they cant come crying to us.
The US protects more than just its interests here people. It does far more than you realize and takes the blame for doing the dirty work of Japan, Europe and various other countries. When the rest of the world can show us that they can defend thier interests and not let another WW happen, then I suppose we could back down. Until then, dont b!tch, because most of what you have right now is because the US was there when people needed it.
Whats that? Out of Asia too? Ok, fine. We will leave China to take care of the local region and make sure justice is served, all the while selling Mcdonalds cokes to thier populations.
The balkens too? Ok. we will let Europe deal with them, since they seem to have done a fine job with thier militaries so far.
Isreal? Yes, we will let the Arab countries do as they will with the remaining Jews. And when they are all nuked, they cant come crying to us.
The US protects more than just its interests here people. It does far more than you realize and takes the blame for doing the dirty work of Japan, Europe and various other countries. When the rest of the world can show us that they can defend thier interests and not let another WW happen, then I suppose we could back down. Until then, dont b!tch, because most of what you have right now is because the US was there when people needed it.
that and we tend to figure that since we are #1 and #2 that we are right about everything and try to spread our ideas to the rest of the world because we are "big brother" to the world
Why does Bush/whatever American President is applicable at the time not goi to any Earth summits and take note of what is said. If America does so much, surely it could take things that are said at the summits and get them into action, to help poorer people and stop pollution at least a little bit. Instead they DO keep their oil and pollution, and don't appear to be doing much new energy development, despite bieng wealthy powerful and economically sound.
If America does want to help people, why not help people who are suffering due to drought or famine etc, raher than those who bring it upon themselves by war and hatred for other people?
I know those who were at war might then cause problems, but well I can't think of ho wthat could be sorted.
Maybe America does help places, but it has to remember they are not actually the only ones, and that other places do there part as well. And I love my country probably just as much as any American would. I'm English and I want to stay English (unless I move to Canada), because I think MY country is great, and gives me the freedom I want.
(btw, before you start having ago at me for crap facts or anything, I'm young and I have my own viewpoint, so if anything I have said is wrong, by all means correct me, but don't flame)
If America does want to help people, why not help people who are suffering due to drought or famine etc, raher than those who bring it upon themselves by war and hatred for other people?
I know those who were at war might then cause problems, but well I can't think of ho wthat could be sorted.
Maybe America does help places, but it has to remember they are not actually the only ones, and that other places do there part as well. And I love my country probably just as much as any American would. I'm English and I want to stay English (unless I move to Canada), because I think MY country is great, and gives me the freedom I want.
(btw, before you start having ago at me for crap facts or anything, I'm young and I have my own viewpoint, so if anything I have said is wrong, by all means correct me, but don't flame)
Lonyo, America does of all the things you mentioned both through private and government sources. Often these are giveaways, sometimes they're loans, but often the aid comes with strings attached. It's the "strings attached" part that gets the world's pink undies in a bunch.
But what do you expect? Money doesn't fall from the sky. Governments don't possess Magic Money, it all comes from the sweat and tears of the private sector. A private sector who want something back for the hard-earned dollars they send to their Uncle.
You'll learn as you grow up that life isn't always black and white. Various shades of grey are everywhere and everything is a compromise.
But what do you expect? Money doesn't fall from the sky. Governments don't possess Magic Money, it all comes from the sweat and tears of the private sector. A private sector who want something back for the hard-earned dollars they send to their Uncle.
You'll learn as you grow up that life isn't always black and white. Various shades of grey are everywhere and everything is a compromise.
I read most of the posts, but this is just an answer to the original question, on one particular level. If you don't understand the level, maybe we're just not on par with each other.
WHY:
People lead such desperate lives that they can be brainwashed into learning a talent such as piloting a passenger airliner. Then taking that talednt for the sole purpose of flying it into a building killing all aboard and an unknown number inside the building. All for the belief in something as ludicrous as receiving 72 virgins in the afterlife with their bravery.
Do you see how stupid that is?
WHY:
People lead such desperate lives that they can be brainwashed into learning a talent such as piloting a passenger airliner. Then taking that talednt for the sole purpose of flying it into a building killing all aboard and an unknown number inside the building. All for the belief in something as ludicrous as receiving 72 virgins in the afterlife with their bravery.
Do you see how stupid that is?
My great-grandparents immigrated here from Russia during the Bolshevik revolution - my great-uncle and... great-cousins, I believe, were shot by the Bolsheviks for refusing to give up their land.
Well I've read through this entire thread and I have come out more confused than enlightened. So far, the main reason I can figure that people hate us is that we think we are special and important. For the most part, I do feel that America is special and important. We may even be the most important/special. But even if we are, it is only slightly more than any of the other major countries. Also, many people in this thread seem to think that because we are important, that means we are better than other countries. This is most certainly not the case although I can see why people might think this. Our government tries to "sugar coat" many things about our country and how good it is. America is not perfect but it often pretends to be. While some people call this hypocrisy, there is a very good reason for it. When people believe something is good, they are willing to protect and fight for it. When people believe something is bad, they are willing to destroy and abuse it. Our nation relies on the fact that people like being here and want to keep it a good place to live as every strong country does.
I also notice that many people think capitalism is a bad system. In this thread alone, I've seen complaints about our lack of a centralized medical system, our poor schools, and our low wages for many people in this country. Guess what, our country isn't perfect so stop trying to nit pick every little thing that is wrong. I would like to see you come up with a perfect system (or even a better system for that matter). Our nation is very competitive so we try to do everything well. I think that is a common trait among all humankind.
I could probably say more, but I think I'll leave it at that for now. Feel free to rip apart my post and enlighten me where you feel I am mistaken.
Of course, I am a 20 year old American citizen so I am obviously right about everything I said.
(If you can't tell because this is an internet message board, the above line is meant to be a joke and is almost certainly not true.)
I also notice that many people think capitalism is a bad system. In this thread alone, I've seen complaints about our lack of a centralized medical system, our poor schools, and our low wages for many people in this country. Guess what, our country isn't perfect so stop trying to nit pick every little thing that is wrong. I would like to see you come up with a perfect system (or even a better system for that matter). Our nation is very competitive so we try to do everything well. I think that is a common trait among all humankind.
I could probably say more, but I think I'll leave it at that for now. Feel free to rip apart my post and enlighten me where you feel I am mistaken.
Of course, I am a 20 year old American citizen so I am obviously right about everything I said.
(If you can't tell because this is an internet message board, the above line is meant to be a joke and is almost certainly not true.)
Well I hope it's not that bad but it does point out how others on this planet we share view us, if only in parody.
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