Doctors who do abortions

[Blackjack200]

I would do abortions if I was a doctor...

I would do lots of abortions if I was a doctor. I would do them even if I was an oncologist, or an ER doctor or something, I would just do them on the side or on the weekends or whenever I could. I would do two for one specials where a woman could get half price on her abortion if she found a friend who would also get an abortion. I would hand out business cards with 10 little circles around the edge and punch the card whenever a woman has an abortion. If the woman gets the 10 circles punched out, the 11th abortion is free. If a woman lacked sufficient funds, I would allow her to trade the abortion for sexual favors.

I would try to break the record for abortions performed in a 24 hour period. I would invent new techniques for abortion. After I gave them an abortion, I would educate women on ways to avoid pregnancy altogether, but then at the end I'd say "or you could just get another abortion".

I would write a children's book about how wonderful abortions are, and one day little girls will read it and say "mommy when I grow up I'm gonna have an abortion"

 

[Blackjack200]

...I would invent a new cereal called "Abortion-O's!" and the pieces would look like little eggs and phoetuses.

After I performed an abortion, I would walk back out to the waiting room and say to the little boy/girl sitting there "don't worry, you'll always be mommy's favorite!"

I would give abortions as Christmas presents, every 9 months I'd send my regular customers post-card reminders to come in and get their abortions.

I would perform green abortions with solar panels and biodegradeable shit.

Every time a kid was obnoxious to me I would say out loud "damn, I missed one" and everyone would know what I meant.

 

[etrigan420]

I would do abortions if I was a doctor...

I would do lots of abortions if I was a doctor. I would do them even if I was an oncologist, or an ER doctor or something, I would just do them on the side or on the weekends or whenever I could. I would do two for one specials where a woman could get half price on her abortion if she found a friend who would also get an abortion. I would hand out business cards with 10 little circles around the edge and punch the card whenever a woman has an abortion. If the woman gets the 10 circles punched out, the 11th abortion is free. If a woman lacked sufficient funds, I would allow her to trade the abortion for sexual favors.

I would try to break the record for abortions performed in a 24 hour period. I would invent new techniques for abortion. After I gave them an abortion, I would educate women on ways to avoid pregnancy altogether, but then at the end I'd say "or you could just get another abortion".

I would write a children's book about how wonderful abortions are, and one day little girls will read it and say "mommy when I grow up I'm gonna have an abortion"

...I would invent a new cereal called "Abortion-O's!" and the pieces would look like little eggs and phoetuses.

After I performed an abortion, I would walk back out to the waiting room and say to the little boy/girl sitting there "don't worry, you'll always be mommy's favorite!"

I would give abortions as Christmas presents, every 9 months I'd send my regular customers post-card reminders to come in and get their abortions.

I would perform green abortions with solar panels and biodegradeable shit.

Every time a kid was obnoxious to me I would say out loud "damn, I missed one" and everyone would know what I meant.

I like the cut of your jib.

Especially the punch card and referral programs.

*Everyone* loves a good BOGO.

 

[Kadarin]

If the mother's life isn't at stake or she is not a rape victim, there is zero justification for it.

Whether or not the mother consented to sex is more important than the life of a perfectly innocent child?

 

[hal2kilo]

Should be given medals for practicing medicine in an environment where their life is in danger even though what they are doing is perfectly legal in all 50 states of the union.:hmm:

 

[mikeymikec]

Well you do have to wonder a little bit about the mind set of an abortion doctor. What makes a person pursue that as a career choice?

Help someone carry out what is usually a difficult decision, and do your part in helping them making an informed decision, without being a dick about it. Perhaps the sort of person who picks this role is someone who cares? You know, like, a doctor?

It's like saying "who wants to work on a ward where people are dying?". Many people need help at certain times of their lives, and it's not to get better.

 

[Wreckem]

The problem is some abortions are done after viability, for no reason other than the mother doesn't want the baby. A 35 week old fetus is basically a baby now.

.08% of abortions(~1000) in the US per year are conducted after 24 weeks. The majority of these are for medical reasons, the simple fact is the majority of states ban abortions after 21/22/24 weeks unless there is a life threatening medical condition to the woman. There are only 13 states that do not have restrictions on post viability abortions.

 

[Wreckem]

If you read the linked article in wiki, the number is actually smaller, 850 are aborted at weeks 25-26, and there were only 320 abortions after 26 weeks.

The truth is that most abortions are performed in the first trimester, with only a much smaller number into the second trimester.

Does anyone have problems with ectopic pregnancies? What's the treatment for that? Abortion. Or should mothers be forced to carry a pregnancy that will most likely cause their death?

88% are done in the first trimester.
11.92% are done in the second trimester.
.08 are done in the third trimester.

 

[mattpegher]

Although I am not an OBGYN, As an ER doctor I have prescribed plan B.

In Medical school we had a debate on this issue. In my experience as a physician for over 20 years, there are way to many factors that individualize the morality of abortion. It simply is not ethical to userp the decision from the mother, as each situation is different. For that reason, an omniscient bystander may say that he or she does not agree with the reason for any particular case but to make a rule that all must abide will inevitably fail to consider the facts.
Sure, we as a society can say that it is highly unlikely that events would change to alter the ethics of abortion late in pregnancy, when such a desicion could have been made earlier, but to claim to be so omniscient as to be able to say there is never a just cause is conceited.
It is the likelyhood that there will be cases where abortion is the correct and ethical thing to do, is the reason that I feel it should not be legislated except in extreem parameters.

 

[nehalem256]

Although I am not an OBGYN, As an ER doctor I have prescribed plan B.

In Medical school we had a debate on this issue. In my experience as a physician for over 20 years, there are way to many factors that individualize the morality of abortion. It simply is not ethical to userp the decision from the mother, as each situation is different. For that reason, an omniscient bystander may say that he or she does not agree with the reason for any particular case but to make a rule that all must abide will inevitably fail to consider the facts.
Sure, we as a society can say that it is highly unlikely that events would change to alter the ethics of abortion late in pregnancy, when such a desicion could have been made earlier, but to claim to be so omniscient as to be able to say there is never a just cause is conceited.
It is the likelyhood that there will be cases where abortion is the correct and ethical thing to do, is the reason that I feel it should not be legislated except in extreem parameters.

Is it not a bit contradictory to say that abortion is a difficult ethical dilemma... so we should leave it up to pregnant 15 year old girls?

 

[nehalem256]

Help someone carry out what is usually a difficult decision, and do your part in helping them making an informed decision, without being a dick about it. Perhaps the sort of person who picks this role is someone who cares? You know, like, a doctor?

Why should it be a difficult decision to rid your self of some unwanted cells?

Is clipping your fingernails a difficult decision?

 

[mattpegher]

Is it not a bit contradictory to say that abortion is a difficult ethical dilemma... so we should leave it up to pregnant 15 year old girls?

When it comes to making such a choice, every individual facet of that persons life has critical impact on the ethics of the desicion. And unless there are omniscient judges around to choose in which cases are justified and which are not, I dont see anyone else capable of making the choice.

 

[DCal430]

.08% of abortions(~1000) in the US per year are conducted after 24 weeks. The majority of these are for medical reasons, the simple fact is the majority of states ban abortions after 21/22/24 weeks unless there is a life threatening medical condition to the woman. There are only 13 states that do not have restrictions on post viability abortions.

This is false, all states allow abortions at any time for mental reasons such as depression. This supreme court has struct down any restricts on abortions in cases of mental health including depression.

FYI depression is very easy to fake. Seems like half the people in the world are diagnosed with depression now.

 

[Sonikku]

That's why they call it a hypocritical oath idiots. Because they're a bunch of lying hypocrites.

Ending the life of another is never moral or ethical you fucking hypocritical doctor bastards. Hell if it were up to me they'd be shot.

 

[abj13]

This is false, all states allow abortions at any time for mental reasons such as depression.

Fail. If you're going to participate in this thread, why don't you actually read up on abortion instead of posting BS? Here, start with this brief:

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_OAL.pdf

 

[DCal430]

Fail. If you're going to participate in this thread, why don't you actually read up on abortion instead of posting BS? Here, start with this brief:

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_OAL.pdf

You need to read up on the laws instead of BS, health includes mental health, the courts have ruled on this. Only a few states specify it has to be physical health, but the courts have ruled these laws are unconstitutional.

 

[Rainsford]

So a child is worthy of life only if it happens to reside in a place we consider beyond our reach. How lucky he or she was to escape before our attitudes conspired to rationalize away his or her murder.

One of them is born. The other is deliberately killed. That is the only difference between them.

Just because you don't approve of late term abortion doesn't mean there is no difference between an unborn fetus and a baby born around the same time.

These days, I think babies born prematurely are probably the luckiest. The earlier you're born, the better. Better to be born early and suffer, then give adults the slightest pretext to consider you inconvenient.

You really think that's how abortion works? That EVERY pregnancy has some random, unknowable chance to end in an abortion that changes from time to time? I find it interesting that arguments against abortion often seem to require this alternate reality where abortion (particularly the motives behind it) is far different from the actual world. I also find it interesting that the arguments often fixate on rare cases like late term abortions rather than discuss the entire issue.

 

[DCal430]

I have no issues with abortions before the 24 to 30 weeks, when ever the fetus is viable. My only issue is the lack of restrictions on late term abortions.

I do not considure depression to be a valid reason for an abortion at 35 weeks.

 

[nehalem256]

When it comes to making such a choice, every individual facet of that persons life has critical impact on the ethics of the desicion. And unless there are omniscient judges around to choose in which cases are justified and which are not, I dont see anyone else capable of making the choice.

So the decision is so difficult that it would take an omniscient judge to decide. That certainly sounds like the kind of decision we should leave to pregnant teenagers

 

[abj13]

I have no issues with abortions before the 24 to 30 weeks, when ever the fetus is viable. My only issue is the lack of restrictions on late term abortions.

I do not considure depression to be a valid reason for an abortion at 35 weeks.

24-30 weeks is LATE TERM ABORTION. You don't even know how terms are defined.

You need to read up on the laws instead of BS, health includes mental health, the courts have ruled on this. Only a few states specify it has to be physical health, but the courts have ruled these laws are unconstitutional.

Sigh. Get off wikipedia and actually read something. Here, I'll post the laws since you've never actually read them, other than some reference off of the internet. Here's how states define legal abortions (those that do have bans)

Pennsylvania

M.D. must find, in his clinical judgment, that abortion must be necessary or that a "referring M.D." has sent a written signed statement saying so; after viability, 24 wks., necessary to preserve life of mother or prevent serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of bodily function. Viability defined as when M.D., based on facts of particular case, finds reasonable likelihood of fetus' sustained survival outside the mother's body.

And others:
Illinois
If fetus nonviable and abortion not necessary to preserve mother's health, M.D. must certify nonviability; if fetus is viable, abortion must be medically necessary to preserve life, health of mother; M.D. must certify this necessity

New York's
Within first 24 weeks or necessary to preserve mother's life; if mother performs abortion it must be on the advice of M.D. within the first 24 weeks or to preserve her own life

Georgia's
After 1st trimester, must be performed in licensed hospital or health facility; after 2nd trimester, physician and 2 consulting physicians must certify it is necessary to preserve life or health of mother

Missouri
After viability, necessary to preserve life, health of mother; (method used must be one most likely to preserve life, health of fetus unless greater risk to mother)

Now, where does a physician define "depression" as being covered by these clauses? I don't care about some legal argument you've read off the internet, where would a physician define depression as being covered by the above clauses?

 

[DCal430]

24-30 weeks is LATE TERM ABORTION. You don't even know how terms are defined.



Sigh. Get off wikipedia and actually read something. Here, I'll post the laws since you've never actually read them, other than some reference off of the internet. Here's how states define legal abortions (those that do have bans)

Pennsylvania

M.D. must find, in his clinical judgment, that abortion must be necessary or that a "referring M.D." has sent a written signed statement saying so; after viability, 24 wks., necessary to preserve life of mother or prevent serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of bodily function. Viability defined as when M.D., based on facts of particular case, finds reasonable likelihood of fetus' sustained survival outside the mother's body.

And others:
Illinois
If fetus nonviable and abortion not necessary to preserve mother's health, M.D. must certify nonviability; if fetus is viable, abortion must be medically necessary to preserve life, health of mother; M.D. must certify this necessity

New York's
Within first 24 weeks or necessary to preserve mother's life; if mother performs abortion it must be on the advice of M.D. within the first 24 weeks or to preserve her own life

Georgia's
After 1st trimester, must be performed in licensed hospital or health facility; after 2nd trimester, physician and 2 consulting physicians must certify it is necessary to preserve life or health of mother

Missouri
After viability, necessary to preserve life, health of mother; (method used must be one most likely to preserve life, health of fetus unless greater risk to mother)

Now, where does a physician define "depression" as being covered by these clauses? I don't care about some legal argument you've read off the internet, where would a physician define depression as being covered by the above clauses?

Are you so dense, they mention health of the mother, health includes depression.

 

[nehalem256]

Are you so dense, they mention health of the mother, health includes depression.

I think most people see a pretty big difference between we need to cut this baby out or the mom is going to die and being depressed.

 

[DCal430]

I think most people see a pretty big difference between we need to cut this baby out or the mom is going to die and being depressed.

The law doesn't say the life of the mother is in danger, it says health reason.

 

[abj13]

Are you so dense, they mention health of the mother, health includes depression.

LMAO. Don't get angry since your falsehoods are exposed. Explain to everyone, what physicians are defining depression as being covered by the above examples? You're making nothing but a lame strawman argument. Better yet, has the American College of OB-Gynes defined depression as being covered? How about the outdated AMA (nobody is apart of them anymore). How about the Institutes of Medicine? Surgeon General?

Physicians see a tremendous difference between someone who is "depressed" and what constitutes a fetus posing a threat to the mother's health.

 

[DCal430]

LMAO. Don't get angry since your falsehoods are exposed. Explain to everyone, what physicians are defining depression as being covered by the above examples? You're making nothing but a lame strawman argument. Better yet, has the American College of OB-Gynes defined depression as being covered? How about the outdated AMA (nobody is apart of them anymore). How about the Institutes of Medicine? Surgeon General?

Physicians see a tremendous difference between someone who is "depressed" and what constitutes a fetus posing a threat to the mother's health.

You are the one who is expossed, you are claiming restrictions which do not exsist.