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Do you think we'lll get better performacne than a GTX 470 for ~$210 anytime soon/

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Insomniator

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With the current newegg deals, GTX 470s are ~205 AR/FS + tax. They are much louder and hotter than 460 1GB's that are now ~170 so I'm torn between these two. Since I only play SC2 I should prob just pick up a GTS450 but whatever...

AMD's 6870 is their ~220 dollar card and the 470 is faster. I doubt Nvidia will release a 570 or whatever for $220 that matches the 470 either.

Is this a case like the old 8800GT's where they stayed pretty high in performance for the price for what seemed like 2 generations of cards?

If so I see no reason to wait... I just wonder how bad the heat and noise are (plenty of egg review of dieing 470's)

Wow sorry about my title.. crappy keyboard...
 
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Modular said:
Well I'm assuming you're talking about the MSI card? It looks like it may have some heat issues for sure, as well as a hefty power requirement.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-501-_-Product

220 watt TDP per manufacturer. That's really the only thing holding me back from picking this up instead of a 6850. I don't want to have to upgrade my PSU as well.
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I'm actually talking abotu this Zotac: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-157-_-Product

Definitely a good deal and my case has very good ventilation... I just don't know if I need something that powerful.

What does 100 extra watts for a few hours a day cost...
 
A 470 for 205$ is a fanstic buy... better than the 6870s at ~220 you mentioned.

15$ saved and slightly better performance in a few games, and you ll have a few extra features like cuda/physx (at a slightly bigger watt usage).


Insomniator said:
I'm actually talking abotu this Zotac: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-157-_-Product

Definitely a good deal and my case has very good ventilation... I just don't know if I need something that powerful.

What does 100 extra watts for a few hours a day cost...
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Isnt that card like 289.99$?? -30$ mail rebate? putting it around 259.99$.
 
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happy medium said:
Thats a good psu, 2, 22 amp rails should be plenty for a gtx470.
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combined is 37 amps(444 watts) and no it would not be if the rest of his system was high end. even with my E8500 I hit 490 watts at the wall with a decent oc and small bump in voltage on the gtx470. plus there were earlier models of that psu that were not as robust as the ones now being made by Delta.
 
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combines is 440watts and no it would not be if the rest of his system was high end. even with my E8500 I hit 490 watts at the wall with a decent oc and small bump in voltage on the gtx470. plus there were earlier models of that psu that were not as robust as the ones now being made by Delta.
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not to mention that when you start running near peak output you get alot of inconsistencys in voltage and ripple creeps up as the filtering caps get depleted.

but thats one hell of a good deal on a really nice card. I don't think you could do any better with a ATI/AMD offering at that price.
 
Nvidia will probably want to come out with a 470 replacement with a smaller die and lower power consumption. You know, something they can sell at a profit at ~$200. The 470 was never designed for that price point. But I doubt whatever replaces it will have a better price/performance ratio than current GTX470 cards - they're cheaper than the GTX460 when it launched only a few months ago. It will have a higher performance/watt ratio however.
 
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JimmiG said:
Nvidia will probably want to come out with a 470 replacement with a smaller die and lower power consumption. You know, something they can sell at a profit at ~$200. The 470 was never designed for that price point. But I doubt whatever replaces it will have a better price/performance ratio than current GTX470 cards - they're cheaper than the GTX460 when it launched only a few months ago.
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sort of lurking but I sincerly think that they are trying to clear inventory for whatever reason. Then again they might be trying to bottom dive to see if AMD will drop prices on the new chip killing the profits once the R&D costs have been cleared.

either way, nvidia can't really compete when they have nearly 2x the silicon in the 470 vrs the 6870.

I have no idea WTF is going on other then nvidia is pinched for cashflow.
 
$205 is a great price for a GTX 470. If you're not worried about the extra power draw, it is a better deal than a 460 or 68**.
 
Yeah a 470 if possible at 205$ is pretty darn cheap.

It cant be good though for Nvidia to be selling a card twice the size in silicone, for less than a 6870 is. That has to hurt nvidia buttom line. Its great for the consumer though, 470 at that price is awesum value.

a overclocked 470 will eat a 460 evga ftw alive (if all you care about is performance/$)
 
Arkadrel, I am pretty sure NV is going to replace 460/470/480 (esp. the 470/480) with GTX560/570/580. At least that's the plan. For the last 6-8 months, all the poor yielding GTX480s were sold as GTX470s. Since GTX580 is just around the corner, what are you going to do with poor yielding GTX580 chips? Something has got to give and it looks like it is the old 470/480 product line 🙂 I can foresee some awesome sales within the next 1-2 months on GTX470/480 cards as they are phased out.
 
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Arkadrel, I am pretty sure NV is going to replace 460/470/480 (esp. the 470/480) with GTX560/570/580. At least that's the plan. Therefore, they are probably selling poor yielding GTX480s as GTX470s and running down their inventory stock before newer cards replace these chips. With GTX580 just around the corner, what are you going to do with poor yielding GTX580 chips? Something has got to give and it looks like it's the old 470/480 product line 🙂
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Nope, its a sign of low cashflow.

either way get them while you can, its a great card for the money. If I didn't blow my last load on some needed household purchases and the bussiness I would have grabbed 2.
 
There are reasons why the 470 deals are so good right now.

1. The 460 FTW is nearly as fast but costs less to make, sucks less power, and is quieter.
2. They want to clear out their 470 inventory before nVidia announces the 580 and 570 cards on Tuesday, which are going to be faster, quieter, requires less power, and most of all, cheaper to make.
 
vshin said:
There are reasons why the 470 deals are so good right now.

1. The 460 FTW is nearly as fast but costs less to make, sucks less power, and is quieter.
2. They want to clear out their 470 inventory before nVidia announces the 580 and 570 cards on Tuesday, which are going to be faster, quieter, requires less power, and most of all, cheaper to make.
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they are cash pinched, thats why they are paper launching. I doubt we shall see new nvidia cards before next year.
 
Yeah its probably just stock being sold before end of the line with 4xx cards.
Anyone know if nvidia is still makeing 4xx chips (that end up in 470's)? If theyve stopped then its likely just them clearing their stock out of the 4xx before the 580/570/560.
 
vshin said:
There are reasons why the 470 deals are so good right now.

1. The 460 FTW is nearly as fast but costs less to make, sucks less power, and is quieter.
2. They want to clear out their 470 inventory before nVidia announces the 580 and 570 cards on Tuesday, which are going to be faster, quieter, requires less power, and most of all, cheaper to make.
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I have not heard a single thing about the gtx570. even the drivers that listed the gtx580 and some other new cards in them made no mention of it. so do you have any proof or info showing the gtx570 being released at the same time as the gtx580?
 
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