Do you think there should be border control?

[soundforbjt]

Gotta ramp up the fear & hate for the midterms.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

You don't need border control. Take away the jobs, the free education, the free health care and all other benefits provided to those who are here illegally and people will stop coming here illegally. The end.

 

[soundforbjt]

Just start jailing the job creators that hire illegals, fines won’t work because they save that money by hiring illegals.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta ramp up the fear & hate for the midterms.

Hell, yeah! Forget the top down class warfare beating we're taking from the GOP. Forget their underhanded methods & contempt for decency & democracy.

W-A-L-L! That spells chumps, mister!

 

[Jhhnn]

You don't need border control. Take away the jobs, the free education, the free health care and all other benefits provided to those who are here illegally and people will stop coming here illegally. The end.

Just start jailing the job creators that hire illegals, fines won’t work because they save that money by hiring illegals.

So, the answer is to escape from reality, right?

I guess that's why people vote Republican in the first place.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Apparently Trump just said he's going to militarize the southern US border. This is an idea replete with problems both political and legal.

What legal problems, it was even done during the Obama and Bush administrations. Hopefully not to the degree it will be done during the Trump administration though.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Under current law, illegals can't be paid on the books w/o an assumed SS#. It's illegal to do so.

If you think that there aren't lot of Americans who don't get vacations, benefits & meaningful labor rights then you live a very sheltered life.

Under current federal law no one can smoke marijuana either. How's that working out?

 

[brandonbull]

Most of the Trumpian talk about "securing the borders" is just racism dressed up because he told a bunch of white people that brown people are to blame for their problems. I don't remember any rally chants about fixing visa overstays where people simply fly in and never leave.

The US obviously needs border controls but if you really want to improve things pass the Gang of 8 immigration bill and end the drug war that's massively destabilzed Mexico and Central America.

I guess all brown people get to come over now so we can show them racists what's what?

 

[brandonbull]

fskimospy still hasn’t weighed in

Still waiting the official talking points from the progresshevik echo chamber.

 

[brycejones]

Still waiting the official talking points from the progresshevik echo chamber.

Given your repeated use of the same odd term I would say we know what talking points you have received as a volunteer.

 

[DietDrThunder]

I think there should be border patrol and agree with some sort of barrier in heavy trafficked routes. The 3,000 mile wall is stupid, a waste of money, and would negative effects on the environment.

If you really want to stop illegal immigration, attack the businesses hiring them. We probably all need a migrate worker program that requires companies to comply with all labor laws and protections. We also need to rework welfare so you don't lose/significantly reduce your benefits by working a shitty job, so more poor Americans might be willing to take the work.

The idea the wall would have any effect on drug trafficking is just fantasy though.

Along with this, I believe it should be mandatory for every company to use the e-Verify system on every employee. During the OPM data breach, my SS# was compromised. My 2016 income taxes were initially rejected by the IRS because according to the IRS, I didn't include the W-4's from 3 other states. It cost me $1,800 with a tax lawyer and several weeks dealing with the IRS to straighten this situation out. I only had one employer and only worked in one state and my SS# had been used multiple times. I thought about applying for a new SS#, but it isn't an easy process, and all of your old SS# information is still tied to the new number. I just froze all my credit and have moved on.

Also, a 35% tax on money transfers to Mexico and South America.

 

[sdifox]

I don't want to take the thread in a different direction but this post made me want to comment. In late August we closed on a newly built home that was built by my estimate, with approximately 95% illegal labor. The workmanship was absolutely horrid. So very many things had to be redone, reworked and in most instances, numerous times. Evidently it still is less expensive to do work over multiple times that to do it right the first time.

The language issues had to contribute. Late last week a painter was sent out to do some warranty work on the outside. She showed up in a passenger car with no ladder. She spoke no English. She had two gallons of paint (how it was determined that was the quantity required I don't know) and had no clue what she was there to paint. I had an architectural drawing of the front facade where I had highlighted what needed painting and she saw that and just started shaking her head from side to side and pointed at her car. Yes, no ladder, I get it.

For votes, the left wants to import many, many more of the unskilled. They get hired on the cheap, in my experience are unable to perform the work and most importantly, they displace our citizens in the job market. It's insanity to all but the left and the excuses they make to justify these practices are further evidence of their insanity.

We cannot continue in this fashion. Should there be border control? Not just yes, hell yes. This is not a matter of choice, it's a matter of necessity.

Hypocrite is thy name

 

[Jhhnn]

Under current federal law no one can smoke marijuana either. How's that working out?

Duh-vert more.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Along with this, I believe it should be mandatory for every company to use the e-Verify system on every employee. During the OPM data breach, my SS# was compromised. My 2016 income taxes were initially rejected by the IRS because according to the IRS, I didn't include the W-4's from 3 other states. It cost me $1,800 with a tax lawyer and several weeks dealing with the IRS to straighten this situation out. I only had one employer and only worked in one state and my SS# had been used multiple times. I thought about applying for a new SS#, but it isn't an easy process, and all of your old SS# information is still tied to the new number. I just froze all my credit and have moved on.

Also, a 35% tax on money transfers to Mexico and South America.

Good idea and one of the problems of illegal and criminal aliens dodging tax laws to remain here.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Duh-vert more.

Hey asshole you make a stupid claim and I point out reality to you. No diversion, just plain common sense. Which is something you seriously lack when it comes to your politics.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hey asshole you make a stupid claim and I point out reality to you. No diversion, just plain common sense. Which is something you seriously lack when it comes to your politics.

Discussion of employment law is a diversion from the topic at hand in the first place, replete with the usual right wing fantasy solutions. It's perfectly obvious that we won't be deporting large chunks of the population from LA, Houston or any of the other places illegals have settled. It's also perfectly obvious that we won't completely deprive them of the opportunity to feed their families, often American dependents, either.

It's also perfectly obvious that too many conservatives live in the kind of delusion where they think that's a viable solution & use such mistaken beliefs in their voting habits. I mean, WTF do you think will happen if we try to deport 10% of the population of greater LA? Are you out of your fucking mind?

 

[Triloby]

Along with this, I believe it should be mandatory for every company to use the e-Verify system on every employee. During the OPM data breach, my SS# was compromised. My 2016 income taxes were initially rejected by the IRS because according to the IRS, I didn't include the W-4's from 3 other states. It cost me $1,800 with a tax lawyer and several weeks dealing with the IRS to straighten this situation out. I only had one employer and only worked in one state and my SS# had been used multiple times. I thought about applying for a new SS#, but it isn't an easy process, and all of your old SS# information is still tied to the new number. I just froze all my credit and have moved on.

Social Security numbers are beyond useless when it comes to confirming identities, and has virtually no security to boot. A national ID card system would be a better way of confirming and protecting your identity to where it can't be easily stolen, but that's almost never going to happen in this country because "reasons".

 

[K1052]

What legal problems, it was even done during the Obama and Bush administrations. Hopefully not to the degree it will be done during the Trump administration though.

It will depend how he does it. The state also has to agree to deploy their national guard IIRC and get paid back by the feds. I can think of at least one state that will refuse and there is no money appropriated for what will be a costly action.

 

[VRAMdemon]

On February 28 Trump tweeted, "45 year low on illegal border crossings this year. Ice and Border Patrol Agents are doing a great job for our Country. MS-13 thugs being hit hard."

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...596545?lang=en

Now he announced that he's sending the military to the border to fight illegal immigration?!

What happened in just six weeks?

Must be a change in tactics. He decided that the best way to deflect from Mueller isn’t to tout his accomplishments, but instead to whip up hysteria.

Or the most likely reason: He's been watching Fox "News" again.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It will depend how he does it. The state also has to agree to deploy their national guard IIRC and get paid back by the feds. I can think of at least one state that will refuse and there is no money appropriated for what will be a costly action.

If I'm not mistaken, there are laws that prevent the military from being used for domestic law enforcement so Trump cannot send the Army to the border but he could use the National Guard for this.

Since illegal border crossings are at historic lows, the real reason for this emergency is Anne Coulter and other Fox personalities are saying he looks weak on immigration. So he has a desperate need to do something on immigration. The guard will go down and ride around in Humvees for a few months and provide some photo ops. The" caravans" evaporate. Trump declares the crisis averted thanks to his strong leadership

 

[DietDrThunder]

If I'm not mistaken, there are laws that prevent the military from being used for domestic law enforcement so Trump cannot send the Army to the border but he could use the National Guard for this.

Since illegal border crossings are at historic lows, the real reason for this emergency is Anne Coulter and other Fox personalities are saying he looks weak on immigration. So he has a desperate need to do something on immigration. The guard will go down and ride around in Humvees for a few months and provide some photo ops. The" caravans" evaporate. Trump declares the crisis averted thanks to his strong leadership

Former Gov. Rick Perry sent 1,000 National Guard members to the boarder to support the boarder patrol in 2014, so why can't the President of the US?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...0-national-guard-troops-to-the-border/374754/

 

[brycejones]

If I'm not mistaken, there are laws that prevent the military from being used for domestic law enforcement so Trump cannot send the Army to the border but he could use the National Guard for this.

Since illegal border crossings are at historic lows, the real reason for this emergency is Anne Coulter and other Fox personalities are saying he looks weak on immigration. So he has a desperate need to do something on immigration. The guard will go down and ride around in Humvees for a few months and provide some photo ops. The" caravans" evaporate. Trump declares the crisis averted thanks to his strong leadership

Exactly, someone called Trump weak on immigration so he had his DACA freak out at the Dems and is doubling down on the crisis at the border narrative despite the low numbers of actual border crossings.

Former Gov. Rick Perry sent 1,000 National Guard members to the boarder to support the boarder patrol in 2014, so why can't the President of the US?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...0-national-guard-troops-to-the-border/374754/

Reading FTW, the bold red passage in VRAMdemon's post.

 

[UNCjigga]

Former Gov. Rick Perry sent 1,000 National Guard members to the boarder to support the boarder patrol in 2014, so why can't the President of the US?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...0-national-guard-troops-to-the-border/374754/

Because the National Guard answers to the governors of the states where they are stationed, not to the President or any federal authority (edit: I was wrong--there is dual control but I don't think President can deploy National Guard without authorization from Congress or declaration of martial law?)
Posse comitatus.

 

[pauldun170]

Sending troops to the border is not new, but in previous efforts they were there in supporting roles.
The issue seems to be that Trump is an ignorant fool with an inability to communicate effectively and a resistance to paying attention to details when speaking with professionals.
Everyone might as well wait until "the actual mission" is defined by the grownups working in the administration.

 

[brandonbull]

If I'm not mistaken, there are laws that prevent the military from being used for domestic law enforcement so Trump cannot send the Army to the border but he could use the National Guard for this.

Since illegal border crossings are at historic lows, the real reason for this emergency is Anne Coulter and other Fox personalities are saying he looks weak on immigration. So he has a desperate need to do something on immigration. The guard will go down and ride around in Humvees for a few months and provide some photo ops. The" caravans" evaporate. Trump declares the crisis averted thanks to his strong leadership

Isn't immigration and border control the areas of the federal government and not police? If you have foreign nationals with the intent on violating our sovereignty and borders, it seems like the perfect job for deploying our armed forces.