Do you think there should be border control?

[VRAMdemon]

Of course there should be border control..what kind of dumb question is this.

And..speaking of dumb... Trump tweets pics of repairs to an old section of local border wall and claims that it shows the start of construction on his "big beautiful wall"

Lol...That's Obama's "big beautiful wall" from 2009. So then Trump will be tearing it down?

If Trump's people show him that picture and tell him the wall construction is starting, he won't know any better, and he sure won't question it...Unless his lips get glued shut, he is gonna lie.

 

[Jhhnn]

I work in an industry that's traditionally used a lot of illegals. The reasons they do it are wages are considerably less than a legal resident makes, and if an illegal gets hurt on the job you fire him. It turns out that's a lot cheaper than paying for workmens comp (20 to 40% of payroll).
Perhaps the fellows that wrote that paper only spoke to the upper class illegals, they sure as hell didn't talk to the guys working around here.

I think you're pulling numbers out of your ass...

 

[DrunkenSano]

Pull our Predator Drones and our deployed military assets from the Middle East, deploy them at our southern border. Super secure without increasing cost.

 

[Zorba]

I think you're pulling numbers out of your ass...

You don't think it's cheaper to pay an illegal than legal worker? You don't think that workman's comp in the construction industry is very high and much cheaper to fire an injured worker than them file workers comp?

This is why companies should be punished and effective protections put in place. Companies like illegal manpower because they can treat them like it is 1890.

 

[Jhhnn]

You don't think it's cheaper to pay an illegal than legal worker? You don't think that workman's comp in the construction industry is very high and much cheaper to fire an injured worker than them file workers comp?

This is why companies should be punished and effective protections put in place. Companies like illegal manpower because they can treat them like it is 1890.

I don't think that workmen's comp insurance is equivalent to 20-40% of payroll.

 

[Greenman]

I think you're pulling numbers out of your ass...

I know I'm not. I own the company, I pay the bill every month. Right now in the area I live the rate for a carpenter is 36% of his gross pay, if you haven't had any claims. At one point a few years back it was at 38%. I know a roofer that was paying 90%, and I've spoken with another roofer that had a string of injury's and was at 110%.
Comp is a huge expense.

 

[UglyCasanova]

fskimospy still hasn’t weighed in

 

[Zaap]

You don't think it's cheaper to pay an illegal than legal worker? You don't think that workman's comp in the construction industry is very high and much cheaper to fire an injured worker than them file workers comp?

This is why companies should be punished and effective protections put in place. Companies like illegal manpower because they can treat them like it is 1890.

This idiot and all the other illegal labor champs know this. They've swallowed a whole assload of horseshit from the companies profiting off illegal labor, and will defend the racket at all costs. Motive for selling out legal labor? He knows it'll create more and more racial strife as cheaters bring in more and more illegal labor to undercut native born labor, and his ilk hopes it'll tip the electoral balance in favor of the band of jackasses he supports politically. (The type of assholes that create and promote sanctuary cities and the like.)


Anyway to answer the thread question, of course. I really and truly wish any dumbass who doesn't think we need a border patrol would be mandated to spend a month or two doing their jobs along the US/Mexico border. Would be a real eye-opener for anyone that stupid. It's not like people can't use this thing called the Internet to look up all the things that go on on our border everyday. OF COURSE not in the loonbag echo-chamber, but outside of it in the real world.

By the way, there's already many miles of border wall along the US border. Pretty good interactive map of it here:

https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/us-mexico-interactive-border-map/

While personally I don't think more or higher or 'better' or whatever walls are not the answer to our problems in this country with allowing corrupt officials and business to exploit illegal labor (the REAL issue, and everyone knows it but the willfully stupid) it's pretty silly not to know border walls/patrols etc aren't anything new.

 

[highland145]

Too bad it isn't their $$ trying to run a business.

Similar to too bad it wasn't their kid that got killed by an illegal.

 

[Jhhnn]

This idiot and all the other illegal labor champs know this. They've swallowed a whole assload of horseshit from the companies profiting off illegal labor, and will defend the racket at all costs. Motive for selling out legal labor? He knows it'll create more and more racial strife as cheaters bring in more and more illegal labor to undercut native born labor, and his ilk hopes it'll tip the electoral balance in favor of the band of jackasses he supports politically. (The type of assholes that create and promote sanctuary cities and the like.)


Anyway to answer the thread question, of course. I really and truly wish any dumbass who doesn't think we need a border patrol would be mandated to spend a month or two doing their jobs along the US/Mexico border. Would be a real eye-opener for anyone that stupid. It's not like people can't use this thing called the Internet to look up all the things that go on on our border everyday. OF COURSE not in the loonbag echo-chamber, but outside of it in the real world.

By the way, there's already many miles of border wall along the US border. Pretty good interactive map of it here:

https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/us-mexico-interactive-border-map/

While personally I don't think more or higher or 'better' or whatever walls are not the answer to our problems in this country with allowing corrupt officials and business to exploit illegal labor (the REAL issue, and everyone knows it but the willfully stupid) it's pretty silly not to know border walls/patrols etc aren't anything new.

Keeping them illegal perpetuates their exploitation. They're not leaving & it's obvious that we won't be throwing them all out, either. So just as long as you & others like you continue to swallow the same shit nothing will change. Which is just the way those who profit from illegal labor want to keep it.

Don't be a chump for their bullshit. They have no answers. They just know how to pull your chain.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump met with his immigration advisers at Mar-A-Lago this weekend, Hannity & Judge Jeanine and a Fox executive.

 

[Zorba]

I know I'm not. I own the company, I pay the bill every month. Right now in the area I live the rate for a carpenter is 36% of his gross pay, if you haven't had any claims. At one point a few years back it was at 38%. I know a roofer that was paying 90%, and I've spoken with another roofer that had a string of injury's and was at 110%.
Comp is a huge expense.

My mother used to be the HR director for a little hazardous waste company. The workers comp company did an audit and reclassified the shop guys from "laboratory chemists" to "refuse workers" and the rate went from 2% to 11% overnight. Neither classification was really right, but they weren't willing to make a new class. Then of course some jackass broke his toe on the forklift a month later and the rates went up even more. (I worked in the shop, the guy was just dumb)

 

[BoomerD]

The wall is a terrible waste of money...but, YES, we should not only protect our border, but do a much better job of doing so.

How about a 1 mile wide kill zone?

Set up remote control gun towers...sell the rights by the hour to people on the internet to “man” the guns?

No? Too severe? Then just put the necessary manpower and tech along the border to stop the invasion.

 

[Newbian]

We need to stop all those evil Canadians from sneaking into the country with their maple syrup infecting our youth and getting them sugar highs.

 

[Thebobo]

Well let's see what the bible has to say about immigration.

"Leviticus 19:33-34

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

 

[boomerang]

I work in an industry that's traditionally used a lot of illegals. The reasons they do it are wages are considerably less than a legal resident makes, and if an illegal gets hurt on the job you fire him. It turns out that's a lot cheaper than paying for workmens comp (20 to 40% of payroll).

I don't want to take the thread in a different direction but this post made me want to comment. In late August we closed on a newly built home that was built by my estimate, with approximately 95% illegal labor. The workmanship was absolutely horrid. So very many things had to be redone, reworked and in most instances, numerous times. Evidently it still is less expensive to do work over multiple times that to do it right the first time.

The language issues had to contribute. Late last week a painter was sent out to do some warranty work on the outside. She showed up in a passenger car with no ladder. She spoke no English. She had two gallons of paint (how it was determined that was the quantity required I don't know) and had no clue what she was there to paint. I had an architectural drawing of the front facade where I had highlighted what needed painting and she saw that and just started shaking her head from side to side and pointed at her car. Yes, no ladder, I get it.

For votes, the left wants to import many, many more of the unskilled. They get hired on the cheap, in my experience are unable to perform the work and most importantly, they displace our citizens in the job market. It's insanity to all but the left and the excuses they make to justify these practices are further evidence of their insanity.

We cannot continue in this fashion. Should there be border control? Not just yes, hell yes. This is not a matter of choice, it's a matter of necessity.

 

[K1052]

For votes, the left wants to import many, many more of the unskilled. They get hired on the cheap, in my experience are unable to perform the work and most importantly, they displace our citizens in the job market. It's insanity to all but the left and the excuses they make to justify these practices are further evidence of their insanity.

What is the particular universe that you inhabit where illegals are simultaneously too unskilled and ignorant of the English language to paint the outside of your house but are somehow votes in the tank for "the left" even though they can't (and don't) vote?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well let's see what the bible has to say about immigration.

"Leviticus 19:33-34

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

They wouldn't have voted for DT if they cared about what the bible says.

 

[1prophet]

Well let's see what the bible has to say about immigration.

"Leviticus 19:33-34

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Does that include paying them full wages on the books, benefits, vacation, labor rights, etc. like the native-born, if not than you are no different than any wall loving Trumpista taking advantage of below cost labor for your own greed.

 

[UNCjigga]

Trump has basically gotten reamed by Coulter, Hannity and all his other fluffers for losing The Wall. That's what led to the Easter Sunday tweet storm.

Ann Coulter Says the President is 'Failing'
Coulter: Beware the "Former Trumpers"

Yes, for anyone not paying attention, Trump's own incompetence and instability led to an omnibus bill from Congress with zero wall funding. Zilch. Nada. It's not going to happen. There will be zero progress on the wall before midterms. And there is no way to spin this to even his most fervent, blindly loyal supporters. They don't care about DACA not happening as much as they cared about the Wall.

Trump fscked it up all by himself, too. He had Schumer by the balls with DACA, giving him full funding for the wall, and Trump said "no deal" (sidebar: How does Stephen Miller still have a job at the WH?)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ublicans-broadly-like/?utm_term=.2a1b6f407f1a

Then, he had an opportunity to save face, when Congress offered a bipartisan bill with $25 billion in border security and funding the wall over 10 years. Trump fscked that up too by threatening to veto and supporting a Grassley bill that had no chance in hell of passing. He can't hide from the fact that these failures are all on him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/us/politics/trump-immigration-veto-threat.html

So here we are--Trump's biggest campaign promise shall go unfulfilled and Trump is now desperately trying to save face. This fucking moron is now trying to get the Pentagon to pay for the wall by turning it into a defense project. Yes, he would take away funding from our troops and critical defense equipment to build a wall. At best, he might get a few drones for patrolling the border. But no wall.

 

[Jhhnn]

For votes, the left wants to import many, many more of the unskilled.

That's alternate facts, right?

 

[K1052]

Apparently Trump just said he's going to militarize the southern US border. This is an idea replete with problems both political and legal.

 

[Jhhnn]

Does that include paying them full wages on the books, benefits, vacation, labor rights, etc. like the native-born, if not than you are no different than any wall loving Trumpista taking advantage of below cost labor for your own greed.

Under current law, illegals can't be paid on the books w/o an assumed SS#. It's illegal to do so.

If you think that there aren't lot of Americans who don't get vacations, benefits & meaningful labor rights then you live a very sheltered life.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Apparently Trump just said he's going to militarize the southern US border. This is an idea replete with problems both political and legal.

They tried this once before...remember when the marine shot the shepherd?
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/29/...-ager-a-texas-border-village-wonders-why.html
http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/15/border.shooting/
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5427281

 

[deathBOB]

Apparently Trump just said he's going to militarize the southern US border. This is an idea replete with problems both political and legal.

It’s important for him to keep stirring the racial resentment that drives his base, especially when there isn’t any other common rallying issue with Clinton gone.