HomeBrewerDude
Lifer
- Jan 18, 2001
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Oh, so you have been in their shoes then?
IMO, the only "rehab" that would truly work would be from the ground up by making the environment that breeds criminals less prone to do so.
I'm Asian, can i say something on this?
I do believe he should be punished for his crime but I also believe the man has changed and did do some good for society. if the family of the victims think this way also then he should go on changing the minds of people then they themselves don't turn out the way he did.
He got a nobel peace prize!
how could you excecute a peace prize winner. Now, I don't believe that he should be given clemency due to the nature of his crimes, but he should be taken off of death row.
how could you excecute a peace prize winner. Now, I don't believe that he should be given clemency due to the nature of his crimes, but he should be taken off of death row.
You are correct. I will never be in their shoes. I will never be a violent, repeat offender gang member who was found guilty of rape and murder. I will never be an aex murderer. I will never be on death row for murder.
Therefore, I will have to grant you that I will never be in their shoes.
We can rehibilitate from now until Kingdom come... doesnt mean there should be no punishment. Treatment, counseling, free college, gyms, cable teevee, webistes for them to find pen pals... they have it all. Fine... Let them have it. But are you saying that we need to never punish them?
If the small % of those that genuninely better themselves in prison, on my tax dollars, btw... feel better about themselves, wonderful for them. I do not think that just because someone is sorry for what they did, and read/write a book or two ... that is should mean they dont have to serve out their sentence.
How about not getting in that position in the first place? We are not talking about someone who... for example.... got into a drunken bar fight that got carried away. We are not talking about someone who found their family in jeopardy and killed someone. We are not even talking about someone who drank to much and hit someone. We are talking about a known ... violent gang member who raped and killed. He did the crime, he will pay the price.
A lot of people are just misinformed thinking that if he does not get the death pentaly he will be released back into society. This is false, he would just spend the rest of his life in jail.
But also another thing you should look at is that he still has great influence on the gang life even from behind bars that can swing in both positive and negative ways. So far he has used his influence to do good.
But also another thing you should look at is that he still has great influence on the gang life even from behind bars that can swing in both positive and negative ways. So far he has used his influence to do good.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
- Jun 17, 2005
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Why would he, or anyone else, want to see a black man (or anyone of any race) that has been in prison for 20 some odd years die? Why would they even care? Do you think that white people just like the idea of black people dieing? What kind of racist do you have to be to seriously think such a thing? I really am trying not to be judgmental here, but wow, you are flat out saying that white people generally just enjoy killing blacks.
Why most people want him to die is because they believe that it is justice being served.
Whether or not it is justice can be argued, and if the death penalty should be up held in either case is also a point to make. But please don?t try to use racial slurs in an attempt to make unsubstantial claims.
Uhh..show me a society where people are not murdered or raped...please..I'd like to hear of this wonderful place.
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Oh, so you have been in their shoes then?
Similar, yes. I went to prison for a few years when i was younger. Thankfully the Canadian system is heavily focused on rehabilitation and believes that people can change, so i was given a second chance.
Yeah, because people are born to be evil and bad. Environment has nothing to do with it.
I'm curious just what sort of shoes you have to walk in to make it ok to murder 4 innocent people?
For 1st degree murder, yes. I don't think that rehabilitation should be a consideration for this sort of crime. It's simply about removing them from society before they hurt/kill somebody else.
The point is that the recidivism rates are lower for other societies than it is for the US. If the US focus on punishment is so effective, then why is there such high crime and recidivism rates?
You've failed to enlighten us on the previous "shoes" topic so I highly doubt you're going to bother when I ask you to enlighten us on another of your hair brained concepts -but please, do.
It's the same sort of racism that has 60% of violent crimes being committed by blacks, but 95% of those on death rows are blacks.
shilala
Lifer
- Oct 5, 2004
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I'd like to state that I am perfectly okay with watching another black man die, especially if he's getting it for senselessly killing 3 people for nothing more than getting his jollies.
If he'd killed three people while defending his stash, that's another thing. A brother has to watch our for his money.
In that case, there would at least be cause and I could imagine that someone who kills with reason could be redeemed.
He killed for fun.
It takes a long upbringing loaded with a heaping helping of anti-social input to bring someone to the point that they respect life that little.
Even if that's redeemable, I can't believe that level of psychosis is fixable or deniable.
That goes for Karla Faye.
If he'd killed three people while defending his stash, that's another thing. A brother has to watch our for his money.
In that case, there would at least be cause and I could imagine that someone who kills with reason could be redeemed.
He killed for fun.
It takes a long upbringing loaded with a heaping helping of anti-social input to bring someone to the point that they respect life that little.
Even if that's redeemable, I can't believe that level of psychosis is fixable or deniable.
That goes for Karla Faye.
Again, everything is black and white with you people. Giving him life in prison instead of killing him is telling him it was 'ok' to kill 4 people. Nobody said anything about absolving him of his crimes, but what is the purpose of killing but simply for 'justice'. Instead of using him for the good of society, you guys need to kill him because he did something wrong 25 years ago... but his behavior for the last 25 years has shown he's a different person now, that he's learned his lesson and wants to do good.
i dunno, i dont really feel bad for a guy who killed 4 people, still doesnt take blame and has done well in prison the last 10 years.
Im sure there have been people who have lived very productive lives in society before and after their crimes and gotten the death penalty for 1 moment of their life they did something wrong and i am sure they would do anything to take that moment back, but you dont see people crying over them.
here is a guy that killed 4 people, and is resposible for the deaths of many more (being the founder of the CRIPS and all)...but since he was a good guy 10 years before his execution we should forgive the previous 25 years of assaulting, killing and raping.
i wouldnt be upset if he isnt executed, but i wont lose any sleep over his death either
Im sure there have been people who have lived very productive lives in society before and after their crimes and gotten the death penalty for 1 moment of their life they did something wrong and i am sure they would do anything to take that moment back, but you dont see people crying over them.
here is a guy that killed 4 people, and is resposible for the deaths of many more (being the founder of the CRIPS and all)...but since he was a good guy 10 years before his execution we should forgive the previous 25 years of assaulting, killing and raping.
i wouldnt be upset if he isnt executed, but i wont lose any sleep over his death either
Oh, right. The kind of racism that forces blacks to commit violent crimes and land their ass on death row.
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Oh, so you have been in their shoes then?
Similar, yes. I went to prison for a few years when i was younger. Thankfully the Canadian system is heavily focused on rehabilitation and believes that people can change, so i was given a second chance.
Yeah, because people are born to be evil and bad. Environment has nothing to do with it.
Reading comprehension FTW :roll:
Originally posted by: Nik
Oh, right. The kind of racism that forces blacks to commit violent crimes and land their ass on death row.
I'm assuming you're just acting dumb to lighten this thread now?
Well i'm done with this thread. I'm going to head to the gym... oh boy, that's something else i picked up when i was in prison!
Kadarin
Lifer
- Nov 23, 2001
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He was NOMINATED for the Nobel peace prize. He did not actually win, unless I'm missing something. Being nominated is not really all that important, particularly given that even Adolf Hitler was nominated for one.
no idea who he is
from skimming the thread he has been convicted of murder and sentanced to die
so the answer is yes, he should be executed, doesn't matter what he has done since he murdered, he is still a murderer and convicted and sentanced to die. so kill him already and stop wasting tax payer money keeping him alive
from skimming the thread he has been convicted of murder and sentanced to die
so the answer is yes, he should be executed, doesn't matter what he has done since he murdered, he is still a murderer and convicted and sentanced to die. so kill him already and stop wasting tax payer money keeping him alive
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