Do You Think Lance Armstrong Cheated ?

[Ophir]

Originally posted by: glenn beck
how could he be using steroids, he looks like he weighs 120 soaken wet

They accuse him of using EPO, which is a hormone that stimulates red blood cell production and therefore thickens the blood. Thicker blood means higher oxygen holding capacity, which gives better aerobic perfomance.

 

[torpid]

Hm... do they test for EPO using the standard blood doping tests? I'm not so sure having now read how it works. Blood doping tests, the inaccurate ones I mentioned above, just look for "different cells" than your "normal cells". How do they test for EPO?

 

[DnetMHZ]

Don't care.

 

[CRXican]

if he needed to cheat back then how would he keep winning over and over if he isn't on drugs?

 

[Bozono]

I think Lance is tops, I do, but it wouldn't surprise me if he dopes. C'mon', guaranteed majority do. It's part of the game. As for these tests, too little, too late. More than likely politik on the French's part.

 

[klah]

French are still pissed their hero Virenque admitted using EPO in court during the Festina trial.

At this level people using EPO will not get caught. Millar has admitting using EPO for several years and never tested positive once.

 

[Rookie]

No

 

[shuan24]

Lance cheated.


















(on his wife)

 

[NakaNaka]

No. The man is a worker. You don't battle back from all that he went through and then gave in by doping a little, which would not have provided a HUGE benefit or anything. The French are just pissed. Lance Armstrong has passed every drug test he has ever taken.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: CTrain
After 7 yrs of winning the biggest cycling race and no one have caught him cheating yet.
Thats a long time for someone whos supposabbly cheating and not get caught.

So I'd say NO.

 

[thomsbrain]

they may not like that an american owns their race, but if you just look at odds, we've got a lot more people, some huge bike companies, and money to put into the training our guys. we've just got a better chance at developing a super-star than they do.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: CTrain
After 7 yrs of winning the biggest cycling race and no one have caught him cheating yet.
Thats a long time for someone whos supposabbly cheating and not get caught.

So I'd say NO.

Philippe Gaumont has admitted using EPO and never tested positive in tests from the Olympics or the UCI. David Millar has admitted using EPO and never tested positive in tests from the Olympics or the UCI. When tens of millions of dollars are involved the tests will always lag years behind.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Lance won

France hates the US

France hates that Lance won

It's nearly 6 years after the fact.

Strong work France, if no one could beat Lance, at least they can say he stole the races.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: sixone
If he was doping, indisputable proof would not take 6 years to be found. They've tried to discredit him since he won the first TdF, and they'll keep trying until some non-American wins 8 years running - in otherwords, FOREVER.

Pretty much what I was thinking. It is just the French being petty because on a whole they are not good at anything except backstabbing, littering, and runnng AWAY.

Actually, what they got lance on was a drug which they weren't able to test for until recently

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Winchester

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Winchester
on the Tour or on his Wife.... unfortunately the latter. He is no hero in my book. He got to the top and dropped his family. What a loser.

she's the one that filed for divorce. so technically she dropped him.

If a man beats his wife severely on a daily basis and she files for divorce you are saying that she is dropping him? bad logic there fella.

any proof Lance beat his wife? news articles speculating? and beating your wife does not fit under the cheating on your wife, it fits under spousal abuse. So you're still wrong.

Also to note: This year both Jan Ullrich and Italian champion Mario Cipollini separated from the mothers of their children. Are they cheaters too? :laugh:

 

[SilentZero]

Who the hell believes the French anyways?

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Actually, what they got lance on was a drug which they weren't able to test for until recently

2001 is recently? The chemical test was developed and in use by then. They were supposedly testing a new mathematical model with which to quantify the results of the chemical test. I'm not sure why they needed to retest physical samples, unless they destroyed all the intermediate records.

Having read through a few articles on cycling sites, L'Equipe has all the obvious questions answered (e.g. why do the test at all, why use 1999 samples, why the delay in publishing, etc), but the whole thing stinks.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: Phokus
Actually, what they got lance on was a drug which they weren't able to test for until recently

2001 is recently? The chemical test was developed and in use by then. They were supposedly testing a new mathematical model with which to quantify the results of the chemical test. I'm not sure why they needed to retest physical samples, unless they destroyed all the intermediate records.

Having read through a few articles on cycling sites, L'Equipe has all the obvious questions answered (e.g. why do the test at all, why use 1999 samples, why the delay in publishing, etc), but the whole thing stinks.

Uh no:

EPO, formally known as erythropoietin, was on the list of banned substances at the time Armstrong won the first of his seven Tours, but there was no effective test then to detect it.

The allegations took six years to surface because EPO tests on the 1999 samples were carried out only last year -- when scientists at the national doping test lab outside Paris opened them up again for research to perfect EPO screening, with the blessing of the World Anti-Doping Agency

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2141710

I know everyone hates the french with a passion, but to insinuate that lance couldn't have cheated because it's the french making the claim is quite stupid.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people are still in denial over rafael palmeiro.

 

[bobeedee]

Don't they sometimes give EPO to cancer patients to boost red blood cells?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: CTrain
After 7 yrs of winning the biggest cycling race and no one have caught him cheating yet.
Thats a long time for someone whos supposabbly cheating and not get caught.

So I'd say NO.

Philippe Gaumont has admitted using EPO and never tested positive in tests from the Olympics or the UCI. David Millar has admitted using EPO and never tested positive in tests from the Olympics or the UCI. When tens of millions of dollars are involved the tests will always lag years behind.

So, if everyone is using this substance then how is that an advantage?

Edit-Not saying I believe these lies just playing devils advocate.

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: atiyeh

Originally posted by: ruffilb
No, the french are just being whiny, like usual.

ditto!

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: Phokus
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2141710

From your own link, further down:

The International Cycling Union did not begin using a urine test for EPO until 2001. For years, it had been impossible to detect the drug, which builds endurance by boosting the production of oxygen-rich red blood cells.

The samples could not test positive for EPO in 1999 because there was no test. The test was available in 2001, there was just apparently no reason to use it on frozen samples until they could think of a pretext.

The accusations have no seams to dig into, at least none that I've read about. It's just suspicious that a French lab made the findings in a way that is unable to be proved or disproved and relies on 6-year preservation and chain of custody.

Edit: My mistake, the lab is not French.

 

[dr150]

*** Don't blame the French

*** Blame the sour grapes French newspaper that's been after him for years after being discredited time and again by Lance.

*** Blame the French minority of the French population who buy into these weak doping stories as a way to transfer their dislike for America on one of their prime sports stars.

 

[lrad50]

No.

 

[Miramonti]

Lance didn't cheat, he's an honest man.

Just like Rafael Palmiero.